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Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby Dresden » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri May 08, 2015 3:34 pm)

Kingfisher's pet peeve:

"Why are the German's guilty and evil, but the Jewish Sonderkommandos are innocent and heroic?"


Stephan Gallant reexamines this conundrum, and asks a simple question that all sane rational people would answer without a moment's thought:

"Of the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailors, and marines who died in the Second World War, how many would have preferred to survive by assisting in the mass slaughter of defenseless American civilians?"

From Smith's Report # 213, May, 2015:

http://codoh.com/news/3323/

The Guilt of Oskar Gröning and the Innocence of Jewish Sonderkommandos

Stephan Gallant


The much-ballyhooed trial in Lüneburg, Germany of a 93-year-old former SS man who served at Auschwitz over 70 years ago adds nothing to the extant case for the Holo and subtracts nothing from the revisionist case against it.

Its chief interest is its insistence on the enhanced culpability of the defendant, Oskar Gröning.
Nearly all previous defendants in German concentration camp trials were accused on the basis of specific, direct acts against inmates. Gröning, the prosecution concedes, took part at worst in the appropriation and the occasional guarding of the property of deportees to Auschwitz —yet finds him complicit in the murder of 300,000 people.

The different “ramps,” or platforms, at Auschwitz, where prisoners and their baggage detrained are peripheral to Gröning’s admitted role—he interrupted his bookkeeping work for guard duty on the ramp only three times. Nevertheless, to date the prosecution, echoed by the mass media, has focused on his activity at the ramp, where his actions in guarding and removing the assembled property, in the words of a German prosecutor, helped reassure the next arrivals that nothing was amiss.


Missing, however, from the courtroom and media descriptions of the Auschwitz ramps was any mention of the Jewish inmates who, according to the Exterminationist version of Auschwitz, served at the ramps and, far more than Gröning could ever have, worked to deceive the arriving Jews into swarming docilely into the Nazi murder pens.

Readers of Smith’s Report will recall our recent focus on a massive blind spot of the Holocaust establishment: its failure to judge the actions of the Jewish Sonderkommandos, who by the Holocausters’ own account helped deceive, lure, trap, and murder more than a million Jews in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

Rather than a searching moral examination of what, if the Holocaust claims are to be believed, must amount to the most murderous treachery of all time, the Holocaust establishment has consecrated the likes of Filip Mueller, Abe Bomba, and other SK men at Auschwitz and elsewhere as moral authorities as well as heroes.

The Holocaust lobby’s excuse for the Sonderkommandos smilingly tricking their fellow Jews to their doom, day after day, is that, unlike Oskar Gröning, the Germans would have killed them for refusing.
But, given the alleged nature of the Holocaust, wouldn’t dying rather than being in any way complicit in the murder of their fellow Jews have been the better, the more honorable thing?

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From "The Barber of Treblinka" by Bradley Smith:

http://vho.org/tr/2003/2/Smith170-176.html

Lanzmann's curiosity was satisfied about how the gas chamber looked (not big), he wanted to know what happened next.

Lanzmann: "Can you describe precisely?"

Bomba: "Describe precisely... We were waiting there... inside the gas chamber... until the transport came in. Women with children pushed into that place... They were undressed, naked, without clothes, without anything else-completely naked-because they come from the undressing barrack... where they had undressed themselves."

Lanzmann: "What did you feel the first time you saw all those naked women?" [That kind of stuff is called Holo-Pornography, B.S.]

Bomba: "I felt that accordingly I got to do what they [Germans] told me, to cut their hair."

There you have in a nutshell how eyewitnesses to the gas chamber atrocities typically describe their behavior. They did whatever the Germans or anyone else requested of them.
When they received a request to help prepare their kinsmen-and even their own families as well as we shall soon see-to be exterminated, or genocided or whatever, these fellows say they hopped right to it.
I don't believe them, but that's the persona that they have chosen to project to the world at large.

In the neighborhood where I grew up men who behaved like Bomba claims he behaved would have been spit on.
In the upside-down world of Holocaust survivordom, however, the Abraham Bombas are seen as martyrs and even heroes. It's a peculiar psychological slant on manly behavior, for hasn't Bomba according to his own story become a working partner in the alleged genocide of his people?

Lanzmann urged Bomba to say something more about how he felt as he went about preparing the women and their children to be exterminated. Something more perhaps than the homely: "I felt that accordingly I got to do what they told me, to cut their hair."

Bomba: "I tell you something. To have a feeling about that... It was very hard to feel anything... your feelings disappeared, you were dead. You had no feeling at all."

This is a universal response by eyewitnesses to the alleged gas chamber murders. The claim Bomba makes that his feelings were "dead," that he had "no feeling at all," resembles the 'temporary insanity' claim murderers use to diminish their responsibility for their behavior in the eye of the State.

The ordinary murderer claims that his mental process was so diminished at the time he murdered that he was not responsible for his act. The eyewitness to the alleged gas chamber murders claims that his sensibilities were so diminished while he worked as a link in the murder process that he was not responsible for his behavior.

The murderer was out of his 'mind,' while gas chamber eyewitnesses ran out of 'feeling.'

When Bomba describes himself as being inwardly "dead," he is saying that he cannot be judged guilty of being an accomplice to mass murder.

He can accuse Germans of whatever he likes-participate in the crimes he accuses them of-yet remain forever innocent while Germans remain forever guilty. It's a nice set-up.

=========================================

Of the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailors, and marines who died in the Second World War, how many would have preferred to survive by assisting in the mass slaughter of defenseless American civilians?


That's a good question[S.F.]


The latest effort to prolong the sway of the Holocaust cult by expanding the culpability of wartime Germans through the Gröning trial points beyond Oskar Gröning and the Germans, to both the treacherous role of hundreds of Jews as accomplices in the Holocaust and to the even more dubious part of the Holocaust lobby in honoring these traitors as heroes.

Clearly, the Lobby and the Sonderkommandos are on the horns of a dilemma here—and it’s a dilemma that only we Revisionists can rescue them from. For only if the
gaschamber claims are false do the Jewish Kapos of the ramp and the
shower rooms emerge with something like honor.
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby Dresden » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri May 08, 2015 3:45 pm)

If anyone is interested in a gorier view of this question, see:

Bradley's Dream:

Break His Bones:

The Private Life of A Holocaust Revisionist

Chapter Eighteen:

http://codohfounder.com/books/chapter-eighteen/
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Re: Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed May 13, 2015 7:50 pm)

Steve F wrote:Kingfisher's pet peeve:

"Why are the German's guilty and evil, but the Jewish Sonderkommandos are innocent and heroic?"


Stephan Gallant reexamines this conundrum, and asks a simple question that all sane rational people would answer without a moment's thought:

"Of the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailors, and marines who died in the Second World War, how many would have preferred to survive by assisting in the mass slaughter of defenseless American civilians?"

From Smith's Report # 213, May, 2015:

http://codoh.com/news/3323/

The Guilt of Oskar Gröning and the Innocence of Jewish Sonderkommandos

Stephan Gallant


The much-ballyhooed trial in Lüneburg, Germany of a 93-year-old former SS man who served at Auschwitz over 70 years ago adds nothing to the extant case for the Holo and subtracts nothing from the revisionist case against it.

Its chief interest is its insistence on the enhanced culpability of the defendant, Oskar Gröning.
Nearly all previous defendants in German concentration camp trials were accused on the basis of specific, direct acts against inmates. Gröning, the prosecution concedes, took part at worst in the appropriation and the occasional guarding of the property of deportees to Auschwitz —yet finds him complicit in the murder of 300,000 people.

The different “ramps,” or platforms, at Auschwitz, where prisoners and their baggage detrained are peripheral to Gröning’s admitted role—he interrupted his bookkeeping work for guard duty on the ramp only three times. Nevertheless, to date the prosecution, echoed by the mass media, has focused on his activity at the ramp, where his actions in guarding and removing the assembled property, in the words of a German prosecutor, helped reassure the next arrivals that nothing was amiss.


Missing, however, from the courtroom and media descriptions of the Auschwitz ramps was any mention of the Jewish inmates who, according to the Exterminationist version of Auschwitz, served at the ramps and, far more than Gröning could ever have, worked to deceive the arriving Jews into swarming docilely into the Nazi murder pens.

Readers of Smith’s Report will recall our recent focus on a massive blind spot of the Holocaust establishment: its failure to judge the actions of the Jewish Sonderkommandos, who by the Holocausters’ own account helped deceive, lure, trap, and murder more than a million Jews in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

Rather than a searching moral examination of what, if the Holocaust claims are to be believed, must amount to the most murderous treachery of all time, the Holocaust establishment has consecrated the likes of Filip Mueller, Abe Bomba, and other SK men at Auschwitz and elsewhere as moral authorities as well as heroes.

The Holocaust lobby’s excuse for the Sonderkommandos smilingly tricking their fellow Jews to their doom, day after day, is that, unlike Oskar Gröning, the Germans would have killed them for refusing.
But, given the alleged nature of the Holocaust, wouldn’t dying rather than being in any way complicit in the murder of their fellow Jews have been the better, the more honorable thing?

=======================================
From "The Barber of Treblinka" by Bradley Smith:

http://vho.org/tr/2003/2/Smith170-176.html

Lanzmann's curiosity was satisfied about how the gas chamber looked (not big), he wanted to know what happened next.

Lanzmann: "Can you describe precisely?"

Bomba: "Describe precisely... We were waiting there... inside the gas chamber... until the transport came in. Women with children pushed into that place... They were undressed, naked, without clothes, without anything else-completely naked-because they come from the undressing barrack... where they had undressed themselves."

Lanzmann: "What did you feel the first time you saw all those naked women?" [That kind of stuff is called Holo-Pornography, B.S.]

Bomba: "I felt that accordingly I got to do what they [Germans] told me, to cut their hair."

There you have in a nutshell how eyewitnesses to the gas chamber atrocities typically describe their behavior. They did whatever the Germans or anyone else requested of them.
When they received a request to help prepare their kinsmen-and even their own families as well as we shall soon see-to be exterminated, or genocided or whatever, these fellows say they hopped right to it.
I don't believe them, but that's the persona that they have chosen to project to the world at large.

In the neighborhood where I grew up men who behaved like Bomba claims he behaved would have been spit on.
In the upside-down world of Holocaust survivordom, however, the Abraham Bombas are seen as martyrs and even heroes. It's a peculiar psychological slant on manly behavior, for hasn't Bomba according to his own story become a working partner in the alleged genocide of his people?

Lanzmann urged Bomba to say something more about how he felt as he went about preparing the women and their children to be exterminated. Something more perhaps than the homely: "I felt that accordingly I got to do what they told me, to cut their hair."

Bomba: "I tell you something. To have a feeling about that... It was very hard to feel anything... your feelings disappeared, you were dead. You had no feeling at all."

This is a universal response by eyewitnesses to the alleged gas chamber murders. The claim Bomba makes that his feelings were "dead," that he had "no feeling at all," resembles the 'temporary insanity' claim murderers use to diminish their responsibility for their behavior in the eye of the State.

The ordinary murderer claims that his mental process was so diminished at the time he murdered that he was not responsible for his act. The eyewitness to the alleged gas chamber murders claims that his sensibilities were so diminished while he worked as a link in the murder process that he was not responsible for his behavior.

The murderer was out of his 'mind,' while gas chamber eyewitnesses ran out of 'feeling.'

When Bomba describes himself as being inwardly "dead," he is saying that he cannot be judged guilty of being an accomplice to mass murder.

He can accuse Germans of whatever he likes-participate in the crimes he accuses them of-yet remain forever innocent while Germans remain forever guilty. It's a nice set-up.

=========================================

Of the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailors, and marines who died in the Second World War, how many would have preferred to survive by assisting in the mass slaughter of defenseless American civilians?


That's a good question[S.F.]


The latest effort to prolong the sway of the Holocaust cult by expanding the culpability of wartime Germans through the Gröning trial points beyond Oskar Gröning and the Germans, to both the treacherous role of hundreds of Jews as accomplices in the Holocaust and to the even more dubious part of the Holocaust lobby in honoring these traitors as heroes.

Clearly, the Lobby and the Sonderkommandos are on the horns of a dilemma here—and it’s a dilemma that only we Revisionists can rescue them from. For only if the
gaschamber claims are false do the Jewish Kapos of the ramp and the
shower rooms emerge with something like honor.



Ah, but you're forgetting that this event was a historical singularity and a vortex of evil - an event which dwarfed Calvary and made the entire Second World War a mere footnote!

Those poor Sonderkommandos and Kapos were sucked into collaboration by the vortex of pure evil and so disoriented and dazed by what they saw around them that they simply behaved as automatons of the evil force so far beyond their comprehension that they lost the will to resist!

In an event as evil as the Shoah, ordinary notions of morality and of right and wrong were simply abolished.

Former Sonderkommando Shlomo Shekelgruber, a member of one such Sonderkommando, describes the state of mind of the men forced to watch themselves load corpses into ovens and herd their fellow Jews into the gas chambers:

"It vas almost like vee vere olready dead - like ze neer deth experience, ven you vatch your body from outside your body. Vee Vanted to run, vee vuud heve prefered to join our brudders in death. But ven you got to dee ges chember, you vere helpless to resist. Such is dee power of dee evil in det place."

Will that get me onto Oprah? :lol:

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Re: Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby Dresden » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed May 13, 2015 8:44 pm)

Mulegino1 said:

"Will that get me onto Oprah? :lol:"

Without a doubt; it will probably get you a book deal to boot.....or at least speaking engagements.
Maybe, if you polish up your "act", you can get a license to brainwash school children.

My favorite quote from Stephan Gallant's article which shows the difference between real life and fantasy:

"Of the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailors, and marines who died in the Second World War, how many would have preferred to survive by assisting in the mass slaughter of defenseless American civilians?"
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 10 months ago (Wed May 13, 2015 9:37 pm)

Steve F wrote:Mulegino1 said:

"Will that get me onto Oprah? :lol:"

Without a doubt; it will probably get you a book deal to boot.....or at least speaking engagements.
Maybe, if you polish up your "act", you can get a license to brainwash school children.

My favorite quote from Stephan Gallant's article which shows the difference between real life and fantasy:

"Of the hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, sailors, and marines who died in the Second World War, how many would have preferred to survive by assisting in the mass slaughter of defenseless American civilians?"


I'm on my way to South Florida to prepare for my Oprah appearance. I need to stock up on Metamucil - or do you think an outbreak of regularity would out me as an impostor?

Are there any good tattoo parlors in Miami you could recommend? :lol:

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Re: Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri May 15, 2015 1:41 pm)

Some questioning of the SK role acknowledged (though to put it down) in a mainstream paper here:
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/may/15/son-of-sauls-astonishing-recreation-of-auschwitz-renews-holocaust-debate#comment-52243537

Some of you might like to pay a visit but remember they don't allow HD.

The recommendations are looking favorable to sceptics

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Re: Innocent Sonderkommando -- Guilty Germans

Postby borjastick » 4 years 10 months ago (Sat May 16, 2015 10:23 am)

The comments make interesting reading. As I usually say it's not what is said, though some of them are thought provoking, but what is not said, this time by virtue of the mods red pen...

Read what Dimitri says, he's our 'friend' from here. He got some stick for being the patronising arse that he is.
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