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The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby borjastick » 3 years 9 months ago (Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:15 am)

As mentioned here many times most of Revisionists were once believers thus when the light went on, when we realised the lie and the extent of the lie it was a bit of a shock, to say the least.

So just what were the biggest shocks for you after you got stuck in to understanding the truth of the Holocaust? What few truths when discovered on your journey, were the most impactful and surprising?

Here's my top three:
1 - That there was and is no film of people being gassed. After all I was taught about the holocaust as a child and young adult I was sure I had seen film of the selection, hair cutting and going into the gas chambers. Further that I was convinced there was film of the Sonderkommando pulling all those twisted bodies out.

2 - That there were no six million missing jews.

3 - That no mass graves at any claimed location of mass murder such as Treblinka, Auschwitz, Babi Yar have ever been found.

Those three things were such a surprise to me and remain the backbone of my disbelief. But I would add one more thing which is a disappointment to me. I have always thought of myself as a fair minded person. I have never thought of myself as a racist even though I might have some strong views about immigration, Africa etc. However as my journey into the truth of the Holocaust continued I found myself really really disliking zionism, zionists and holocaust promoting jews.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Dresden » 3 years 9 months ago (Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:58 pm)

borjastick said:

"So just what were the biggest shocks for you after you got stuck in to understanding the truth of the Holocaust? What few truths when discovered on your journey, were the most impactful and surprising?"

Some things that I remember "shocking" me when I learned that the 'holocaust' was a hoax were:

1. The amenities at the camps, such as:

Saunas
Libraries
Orchestras
Post Offices
Swimming Pools
Theater
Maternity wards
Soccer fields
Infirmaries
Hospitals
Dental clinics
Maternity wards
etc.....etc.....

2. Laws against "holocaust denial"; "hate speech" laws.
I remember that was a real shocker and very depressing.

3. The one that hit me the hardest and was the most psychologically difficult to accept was my attitude toward Hitler specifically, and National Socialism in general.
The Nazis are much different without the "6,000,000 and gas chambers", no matter what else one thinks of them.
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Hannover » 3 years 9 months ago (Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:03 pm)

I was surprised at how easy the story line fell apart when rationally examined.

It is not a narrative which is scientifically possible, so regardless of senile "survivors" seeking their fifteen minutes of fame and their quest for cash, it is a necessarily false scam.

The gassing claims are a perfect example, they could not have happened as alleged,
see:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111
Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz
and:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9535&p=72368&hilit=hannover+asmarques#p72368
What is the Extermination Legend's Weakest Link?

I also found surprising the utter lack of any actual visible excavations of enormous mass graves that are claimed.
Recall that the fraud alleges that 6,000,000 Jews and millions of 'others' we're murdered the same exact ways and their remains were buried in enormous mass graves, i.e. 900,000 claimed at Treblinka alone; but we have not seen one of these alleged enormous mass graves excavated, verified and shown to the world. Not one.

Another initial surprise is how the lies have changed over time, and continue to be changed.

I guess when it come to supremacist Jews nothing is surprising anymore, but the mere fact that scrutinizing the narrative is now illegal in much of Europe due to racist Jewish supremacist demands is all the proof anyone should need to see that it cannot withstand rational examination. Such laws were desperately created because, well, the 'holocaust' story line is impossible.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby neugierig » 3 years 9 months ago (Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:31 pm)

My ‘awakening’ happened when the Auschwitz figure was reduced from 4 million to 1.5 million. I had some doubts before, but when I read this – I still vividly remember the moment – I was stunned. And this is when I decided to take a closer look. For, if 2.5 million can be misplaced, where else have mistakes been made? I contacted my older brother in Germany, he lost it, telling me that I have fallen prey to Rattenfänger (Pied Pipers), the term used for Revisionists, and that when I didn’t even know they existed.

The rest is history, and as Hannover mentioned, once started one is amazed at how shoddy this lie is concocted. No reports of investigations done by experts, no real physical evidence, a string of tales of impossibilities, along with a library full of nonsense. But still, the beat goes on, sadly.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Turpitz » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:29 am)

I first questioned it after, at a tender age, listening to Karl Wollf, Himmler's adjutant. Vrbra, and a host of other greasy liars on the World-at-War series. I think it dates from the late seventies. Although, I watched it in the early 2000s. I did watch parts of it in the eighties as it was broadcast on Sunday nights. But I was too young to understand what it was all about. Listening to their nonsense that day, fourteen years ago, made me totally lose faith in The Industry. but I think, also, the establishment in general.
When I have to now listen to these so-called 'academics' espousing this clap-trap, along with many other subjects that are easily refutable. It has made me realise that the truth very rarely comes from academia, as they are mostly career creatures, devoid of morals who will become confederates to the most diabolic, pseudo scientific bollocks if the price is right. Most of academia has become treasonous to the mind, soul and spirit, let alone the truth. There is so much going on now that is so obviously fraudulent, but this cliche of unethical charlatans remain silent on all fronts. If we lived in a society that wasn't diseased and full of unethical frauds, The Industry would have been ripped-to-shreds, exposed as nonsense, then disposed of forty years ago.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Atigun » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:08 am)

My biggest surprise was the childish absurdity of so many of the claims made by the so-called eyewitnesses. It was akin to listening to a small child telling a story of how he rode his tricycle to the moon. The utter impossibility of much of what was claimed astonished me. That and the crazy patchwork of stories that almost never matched in any detail beyond, "the eeevul Narzis killed the Jews." Besides, who would actually paint poison on their dog's teeth and train it to bite people's genitals off? Such stories are more appropriate in some children's fairytale such as the "Land of Oz" with it's wicked witches and flying monkeys.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby flimflam » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:26 am)

The biggest surprise to me remains the fact that AFAIK not one, other that Arthur Butz, academician has exposed the holohoax. Academic historians have tenure, their jobs are secure, they are smart, they work hard, they are judged on the quality and accuracy of their research, and yet not one, literally, other than Butz, has exposed the obvious and grotesques lies of the holohoax.

Number 2 is the incredible teflon coating the hoax has in the minds of most people. It is my experience that they will in many cases simply refuse to discuss it.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Hektor » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:26 am)

flimflam wrote:The biggest surprise to me remains the fact that AFAIK not one, other that Arthur Butz, academician has exposed the holohoax. Academic historians have tenure, their jobs are secure, they are smart, they work hard, they are judged on the quality and accuracy of their research, and yet not one, literally, other than Butz, has exposed the obvious and grotesques lies of the holohoax.....

They may have tenure, but there are still ways and means to get rid of them. And if that's not done, to damage their careers, funding, social life etc. And lets face it, most academics, especially in the humanities, have a strong leaning to the left. They really don't have any motivation to say something that may in some way exonerate their pet boogeymen Hitler and the evil Nazis. The Holocaust is too much of a political assets for those people.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Jan Spreen » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:29 am)

I wouldn't call it a surprise but rather something like "Little by little a sickening experience".

Everything is turned upside down. Now in the end, after I really got things straightened again, not one day goes by without a thought for the people who really lost it all, the Germans, cursed into eternity by a bunch of despicable liars.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Tomt » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:43 pm)

I think my biggest surprise is the hostility. According to most people the holocaust is as much as a fact as the moon itself. Then you ask them why do you think its true and you get the typical Zyclon B and dead bodies response. After that they tell you are an idiot when you tell them the Zyclon B was a disinfectant and the gas chambers might not be gas chambers at all. I guy at work had to look it up when I told him that Zyclon b was not manufactured for the sole purpose of killing people. I didn't want to believe it myself. I came across this when I was reading about Groening.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Hannover » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:53 pm)

Tomt wrote:I think my biggest surprise is the hostility. According to most people the holocaust is as much as a fact as the moon itself. Then you ask them why do you think its true and you get the typical Zyclon B and dead bodies response. After that they tell you are an idiot when you tell them the Zyclon B was a disinfectant and the gas chambers might not be gas chambers at all. I guy at work had to look it up when I told him that Zyclon b was not manufactured for the sole purpose of killing people. I didn't want to believe it myself. I came across this when I was reading about Groening.
TomT,
You can do no better than this thread in debunking the Zyklon-B, 'gas chambers' Big Lie.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111
Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz

Chin up. There were / are countless numbers of 'eyewitnesses', 'survivors', 'believers' in witchcraft & sorcery .... all of which was accepted as fact in courts of law worldwide.

We have it easy, we just have to tell the truth.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Turpitz » 3 years 9 months ago (Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:47 am)

Academic historians have tenure, their jobs are secure, they are smart, they work hard, they are judged on the quality and accuracy of their research,


I disagree. They are mostly cowards who tow the party-line and the political consensus that's in current vogue. The 'quality and accuracy of their research', as you put, it is mostly conformist mantra, repeated endlessly so as to secure their positions and livelihoods.


David Chandler does quality research, and what does he get for his efforts in your society?


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxvGFyCUkbMk4pB0C-AUJwQ

They really don't have any motivation to say something that may in some way exonerate their pet boogeymen Hitler and the evil Nazis.


If they remove Hitler and the Nazis as the figurehead of, 'all that's evil' They will then have to start looking at themselves. That's not gong to happen as their egos wouldn't be able to cope with it. They have created a post-war utopia of 'goodness' and nothing is going to take that delusion away from them. It would break their hearts.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby bookingman » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:36 pm)

When I truly realised it is when I started looking into the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, seeing David Cole in particular debunk them so easily and rationally was the biggest surprise to me. Once the gas chamber claims fell apart, everything else fell into place too and I realised I've been lied to all my life.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby neugierig » 3 years 9 months ago (Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:45 pm)

What you say about ‘historians’ is the absolute truth, Turpitz. Someone, and I forgot who, stated that History is only the reflection of the Zeitgeist, the prevailing view. In the case of the Holocaust, a view imposed by law.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Kingfisher » 3 years 9 months ago (Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:51 am)

When I saw that the incinerators that disposed of hundreds of thousand of bodies were in reality just normal cremation units for individual bodies I realised something was fishy. It made no sense. This was supposed to be slaughter on an industrial scale. I also realised then how little we were actually told about the methodology of it all.


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