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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby bookingman » 4 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:20 am)

What's also one of the most important aspects that keeps the myth going is the footage of the Typhus/starvation corpses after the war ended and the camps were liberated. Most people have seen pictures or videos of it and automatically assume "Jews killed by Nazi's".

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Lysander_Spooner » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:37 pm)

"Did Six Million Really Die?" was the first piece of revisionist literature I ever read, and it alone was enough to make me see how absurd the whole pack of lies was. That was over twenty-five years ago.

The biggest realization I have had is how awful a whole tribe of people the jews really are. They are the only people in all the world that can and will lie in synch, over and over and over, for decades. This realization has made me critical of their current positions in power all over the western world. It is a crime and tragedy. They simply are not people that should have any power or influence.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby sweetie pie » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:50 pm)

bookingman wrote:When I truly realised it is when I started looking into the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, seeing David Cole in particular debunk them so easily and rationally was the biggest surprise to me. Once the gas chamber claims fell apart, everything else fell into place too and I realised I've been lied to all my life.



Yes, for me it comes down to the lies. I had already learned about the Jews and I had become accepting that National Socialism was good and that Adolf Hitler was more honorable than Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin Eisenhower, etc. etc. But the Holocaust was still something I thought must have happened -- maybe to a lesser degree, but still happened. Then in December 2006 I watched David Cole's Auschwitz video, with him being Jewish and wearing that little kippah, and being so smart and asking all the right questions, and how Director Pieper and Cole's personal guide were completely exposed as liars. It was a liberation - what came to me was: It's a lie; they've lied about it; I don't have to believe this anymore! I don't have to believe it. I obviously had thought I did.

After that, I could recognize the lies. It is still the magnitude and cynicism of the lies, from all quarters, that still "surprises" me the most. And angers me. It's unreal.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby bookingman » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:58 pm)

sweetie pie wrote:
bookingman wrote:When I truly realised it is when I started looking into the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, seeing David Cole in particular debunk them so easily and rationally was the biggest surprise to me. Once the gas chamber claims fell apart, everything else fell into place too and I realised I've been lied to all my life.



Yes, for me it comes down to the lies. I had already learned about the Jews and I had become accepting that National Socialism was good and that Adolf Hitler was more honorable than Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin Eisenhower, etc. etc. But the Holocaust was still something I thought must have happened -- maybe to a lesser degree, but still happened. Then in December 2006 I watched David Cole's Auschwitz video, with him being Jewish and wearing that little kippah, and being so smart and asking all the right questions, and how Director Pieper and Cole's personal guide were completely exposed as liars. It was a liberation - what came to me was: It's a lie; they've lied about it; I don't have to believe this anymore! I don't have to believe it. I obviously had thought I did.

After that, I could recognize the lies. It is still the magnitude and cynicism of the lies, from all quarters, that still "surprises" me the most. And angers me. It's unreal.


So true. Whenever I see 'survivors' testimonies now I can't stop shaking my head in disgust. It's surreal how deeply invested these people are into blatant lies. The Holocaust industry is one of those dark examples of how low humanity can stoop, but not because of a mythical genocide like almost everyone believes, but because of the lies from which they profit so much.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby HeiligeSturm » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:46 pm)

The biggest surprise is probably that people enforce laws to prevent questioning these absurdities which are called "Holocaust history"
and the unfortunate fact that many people still blindly believe those impossible stories.
It seems that it's somehow easier to accept some perverse horror story as truth/fact than well researched studies how
some holocaust claims are utterly false and complete lies.
I just had a chat with my friend whose girlfriend is still a "believer", while my friend is the very opposite.
I pointed him to visit CODOH, holocausthandbooks.com etc. and share the knowledge to his girlfriend too.

My personal surprise every time is the defensive anger when discussing holocaust with someone unfamiliar person face to face.
People almost attack when their holy belief is threatened and they cannot give any proof that revisionist arguments are wrong.
Many seem to have that brainwashed religious glare in their eyes and they do not tolerate any opposing argument.
Holocaust truly is religion.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby bookingman » 4 years 9 months ago (Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:58 pm)

HeiligeSturm wrote:The biggest surprise is probably that people enforce laws to prevent questioning these absurdities which are called "Holocaust history"
and the unfortunate fact that many people still blindly believe those impossible stories.
It seems that it's somehow easier to accept some perverse horror story as truth/fact than well researched studies how
some holocaust claims are utterly false and complete lies.
I just had a chat with my friend whose girlfriend is still a "believer", while my friend is the very opposite.
I pointed him to visit CODOH, holocausthandbooks.com etc. and share the knowledge to his girlfriend too.

My personal surprise every time is the defensive anger when discussing holocaust with someone unfamiliar person face to face.
People almost attack when their holy belief is threatened and they cannot give any proof that revisionist arguments are wrong.
Many seem to have that brainwashed religious glare in their eyes and they do not tolerate any opposing argument.
Holocaust truly is religion.


True, it's ironic that seemingly most holocaust believers (on the net at least) are atheists too.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby HeiligeSturm » 4 years 9 months ago (Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:50 am)

bookingman wrote:What's also one of the most important aspects that keeps the myth going is the footage of the Typhus/starvation corpses after the war ended and the camps were liberated. Most people have seen pictures or videos of it and automatically assume "Jews killed by Nazi's".


I know what you mean. They usually use the same clip of British soldier using bulldozer to bury bodies at Bergen-Belsen in documentaries
while on soundtrack they mention something like "Auschwitz"... "gas chamber". Total misinformation and people just don't see what is actually happening.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby bookingman » 4 years 9 months ago (Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:08 am)

HeiligeSturm wrote:
bookingman wrote:What's also one of the most important aspects that keeps the myth going is the footage of the Typhus/starvation corpses after the war ended and the camps were liberated. Most people have seen pictures or videos of it and automatically assume "Jews killed by Nazi's".


I know what you mean. They usually use the same clip of British soldier using bulldozer to bury bodies at Bergen-Belsen in documentaries
while on soundtrack they mention something like "Auschwitz"... "gas chamber". Total misinformation and people just don't see what is actually happening.


Indeed. Have you seen David Duke's video about the holocaust? At the start he explains very well how when he was a young child at school, the only time they would ever get to see images of dead people was from those exact pictures and videos of the typhus and starvation victims at the end of WW2.

That's why everybody thinks there is a lot of evidence of the holocaust, when they see revisionist questions they wonder "Wait a minute, I have seen pictures of piles of bodies of gassed jews!". The misusage of that footage is one of their most important propaganda tools.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby torus » 4 years 9 months ago (Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:44 pm)

Greetings. First, well, second time poster here.
First surprise was alleged cremation times.
The second was the revised plaque at Auschwitz, a startling bit of revisionism.
Can anyone evidence that 4 million Jews did NOT perish at Auschwitz? Can anyone "evidence" where 2.5 million Jews went?
(Does six-million minus 2.5 million still equal 6-million?) or were these Jews transported to the Russian "east" whereby we just safely assume that they received "special treatment"? I'm confused though,.Are the 1.45 million Jews who were allegedly sent to the Russian "east" a totally different group of Jews from the 2.5 million who didn't die in Auschwitz, or make it to Auschwitz, or what....? 3.9 million missing Jews is, well, alot of missing Jews.
Back to those cremation times.
Take it away Jim Rizoli and the Treblinka Pig Roast!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5XFQVU ... ata_player

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby HeiligeSturm » 4 years 9 months ago (Tue Oct 27, 2015 7:41 am)

bookingman wrote:
HeiligeSturm wrote:
bookingman wrote:What's also one of the most important aspects that keeps the myth going is the footage of the Typhus/starvation corpses after the war ended and the camps were liberated. Most people have seen pictures or videos of it and automatically assume "Jews killed by Nazi's".


I know what you mean. They usually use the same clip of British soldier using bulldozer to bury bodies at Bergen-Belsen in documentaries
while on soundtrack they mention something like "Auschwitz"... "gas chamber". Total misinformation and people just don't see what is actually happening.


Indeed. Have you seen David Duke's video about the holocaust? At the start he explains very well how when he was a young child at school, the only time they would ever get to see images of dead people was from those exact pictures and videos of the typhus and starvation victims at the end of WW2.

That's why everybody thinks there is a lot of evidence of the holocaust, when they see revisionist questions they wonder "Wait a minute, I have seen pictures of piles of bodies of gassed jews!". The misusage of that footage is one of their most important propaganda tools.


Yes I have. I also try to explain the same to people when I discuss "The Holocaust" with anyone: There are no photos of "gassing victims".
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby torus » 4 years 9 months ago (Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:55 am)

Also, revisionists are accused of adhering to some faith-based, religious fantasy. Yet, a complete excavation at Treblinka for example is impeded by religion.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Atigun » 4 years 9 months ago (Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:09 am)

torus wrote:Also, revisionists are accused of adhering to some faith-based, religious fantasy. Yet, a complete excavation at Treblinka for example is impeded by religion.


Given the capabilities of modern high tech geophysical gear, a physical excavation of Treblinka or other so-called "death camps" isn't necessary. At all three Reinhardt camps it's claimed that hundreds of thousands were first gassed and buried before being exhumed, cremated and reburied. The ground disturbances resulting from mass graves of those dimensions would be as noticeable on such equipment as GPR as a sore on your willy. No mass graves, no holyhoax.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 9 months ago (Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:00 pm)

Atigun wrote:
torus wrote:Also, revisionists are accused of adhering to some faith-based, religious fantasy. Yet, a complete excavation at Treblinka for example is impeded by religion.


Given the capabilities of modern high tech geophysical gear, a physical excavation of Treblinka or other so-called "death camps" isn't necessary. At all three Reinhardt camps it's claimed that hundreds of thousands were first gassed and buried before being exhumed, cremated and reburied. The ground disturbances resulting from mass graves of those dimensions would be as noticeable on such equipment as GPR as a sore on your willy. No mass graves, no holyhoax.

Indeed, Caroline Sturdy Colls's LIDAR survey has shown much smaller-scale ground disturbance, without revealing anything on the scale of the alleged burial, disinterring and reburial.

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Atigun » 4 years 9 months ago (Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:44 pm)

Kingfisher wrote:Indeed, Caroline Sturdy Colls's LIDAR survey has shown much smaller-scale ground disturbance, without revealing anything on the scale of the alleged burial, disinterring and reburial.


CS-C also had GPR with her but apparently didn't use it. Being cynical about holyhoaxer claims, it's my opinion that she did use the GPR and found bupkis. Those GPR scans went to the shredder and CS-C left Treblinka vowing that she would return. That was almost four years ago. JMHO but since she did have GPR with her, why didn't she use it?

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Re: The Biggest Surprise When You Investigated The Holocaust?

Postby Werd » 4 years 9 months ago (Sat Oct 31, 2015 3:02 am)

Because LIDAR was enough I guess. :lol:

Funny how archaeologists always have an opportunity to document the holocaust the best they can and they always forget or refuse to excavate more or use all the tools available. It's simple. They will not find what they are looking for.


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