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The 6 million figure

Postby IHaveNoName » 3 years 11 months ago (Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:40 am)

Hello!
I'd like to know what you think of the 6 million death figure.
Is it symbolic? Is it not accurate? Are unrelated deaths counted?
How many do you personally think died and what's the general claim made by revisionists (the range).

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Atigun » 3 years 11 months ago (Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:49 am)

The six million number is symbolic. It's been used numerous times prior to WW II. If memory serves, one researcher found 127 instances of the six million number being published prior to WW II. How many Jews died as a result of a deliberate policy of genocide by the Germans? None. Zip, zero, nada. There was no policy to kill all of the Jews.

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Dresden » 3 years 11 months ago (Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:05 pm)

IHaveNoName asked:

"How many do you personally think died....."

Of the approximately 300,000 deaths of all nationalities, from all causes at all the Concentration camps, perhaps one third were Jews.
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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Hannover » 3 years 11 months ago (Tue Oct 20, 2015 2:56 pm)

Jews use of the mystical/religious '6,000,000' nonsense was seen as early as 1869.
see:
'mythical '6,000,000' planned / promoted in the 1800s'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=112

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Re: The 6 million figure

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby IHaveNoName » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:10 am)

Atigun wrote:The six million number is symbolic. It's been used numerous times prior to WW II. If memory serves, one researcher found 127 instances of the six million number being published prior to WW II. How many Jews died as a result of a deliberate policy of genocide by the Germans? None. Zip, zero, nada. There was no policy to kill all of the Jews.

Do you have evidence to back this claim up?

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby IHaveNoName » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:10 am)

Steve F wrote:IHaveNoName asked:

"How many do you personally think died....."

Of the approximately 300,000 deaths of all nationalities, from all causes at all the Concentration camps, perhaps one third were Jews.

Where did 300,000 come from?

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby IHaveNoName » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:16 am)


I still didn't fully understand why they chose the number, could you elaborate?

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Tomt » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:22 am)

The 300,000 came from the red cross statistics, the British interception of secret German transmits about camp migration and the records that the soviets found that they didn't release until the 90,s I think. The 6 million is from the talimud. It was always going to be 6 million. There are like 100 or more newspaper clippings prior to ww2 citing the 6 million figure.

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Werd » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:58 am)

IHaveNoName wrote:

I still didn't fully understand why they chose the number, could you elaborate?

You obviously didn't read the whole thread. Skip ahead to this post specifically. viewtopic.php?p=37540#p37540

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Dresden » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:09 am)

Tomt said:

"The 300,000 came from the red cross statistics, the British interception of secret German transmits about camp migration and the records that the soviets found that they didn't release until the 90,s I think"

Yes, that about sums it up, Tomt.
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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Hannover » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:20 am)

As for the origins of the kabbalistic 6,000,000 see:

'Does the 6,000,000 number come from Judaism?'
viewtopic.php?t=6017
and:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/6_million_Jews

As for the constantly changing numbers, the below is copied from this thread:
'1/3 Holocaust: Auschwitz?'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5631
ASMarques wrote:
PatrickSMcNally wrote:It was never claimed by anyone that 4 million Jews had died at Auschwitz.


A simple example: Jacob Bronowski in the BBC documentary series The Ascent of Man, claiming that the ashes of some 4 million people -- the old figure we are now (falsely) told that only the crazy commies used to believe in -- had been flushed to a small backyard pond in Auschwitz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mIfatdNqBA

A few more examples of the Auschwitz figures from a long series compiled by Robert Faurisson, just to give you the flavor of the farce:

9,000,000 persons
according to the documentary film Nuit et Brouillard (Night and Fog, 1955), whose historical advisers were the historians Henri Michel and Olga Wormser-Migot.

8,000,000 persons
according to the French War Crime Research Office and the French War Crime Information Service (1945).

7,000,000 persons
according to Raphaël Feigelson (1945).

6,000,000 Jews
according to Tibère Kremer, writer of a foreword for Miklos Nyiszli (1951).

5,000,000 to 5,500,000 persons
according to Bernard Czardybon (1945), according to confessions attributed to some SS members and according to the newspaper Le Monde (1978) that added: "of whom 90% Jews".

4,500,000 persons
according to Henryk Mandelbaum (1945).

4,000,000 persons
according to a Soviet document of which the Nuremberg tribunal took "judicial notice". This figure was inscribed nineteen times, with a commentary in as many different languages, on the Auschwitz-Birkenau monument. It was repeated by many different authors, including the Polish historian Franciszek Piper, ex-curator of the Auschwitz Museum. Then, it was declared false in 1990 and replaced on the monument, in 1995, by the figure of 1,500,000 with the concurrence of the same F. Piper for whom this figure is a maximum, while the minimum figure is 1,100,000. According to Miriam Novitch (1967), of the 4,000,000 dead, 2,700,000 were Jewish. According to Rabbi Moshe Weiss (1991), more than 4,000,000 persons died at Auchwitz, of whom 3,000,000 were Jews.

3,500,000 persons
according to the Dictionnaire de la langue française published by Hachette (1991). According to Claude Lanzmann (1980), there were 3,500,000 gassed of whom 95% of Jews as well as many other deaths.

3,000,000 persons
until December 1st, 1943, according to a confession extorted from Rudolf Höss, ex-Commander of Auschwitz.

3,000,000 Jews gassed
according to David Susskind (1986) and according to Heritage, the most important Californian Jewish weekly (1993).

2,500,000 persons
according to Rudolf Vrba for the Eichmann trial (1961).

2,000,000 (?) to 4,000,000 (?)
according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1982).

2,000,000 to 3,000,000 Jews killed as well as thousands of non-Jews
according to a confession attributed to an SS named Pery Broad.

2,000,000 to 2,500,000 persons killed
according to a confession attributed to an SS physician, Dr. Friedrich Entress (1945).

2,000,000 persons
according to the historian Léon Poliakov (1951); according to the historian Georges Wellers (1973) and according to the woman historian Lucy Davidowicz (1975).

1,600,000 persons
according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1989), of whom 1,352,980 Jews (the latter figure is from Georges Wellers, 1983).

1,500,000 persons
this figure, chosen by Lech Walesa, replaced, in 1995, on the Birkenau monument, the previous one of 4,000,000, withdrawn in 1990.

1,471,595 persons
of whom 1,352,980 Jews, according to the historian Georges Wellers (1983).

1,250,000 persons or so
of whom 1,000,000 Jews killed and more than 250,000 non-Jews dead, according to the historian Raul Hilberg.

1,100,000 to 1,500,000 persons
according to the historians Yisrael Gutman, Michael Berenbaum and Franciszek Piper (1994).

1,000,000 persons
according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1989) and the Dictionnaire des noms propres published by Hachette (1992).

800,000 to 900,000 persons
according to the historian Gerald Reitlinger (1953).

775,000 to 800,000 persons
according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1993), of whom 630,000 were gassed Jews.

630,000 to 710,000 persons
according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1994), of whom from 470,000 to 550,000 were gassed Jews.

Please note that although in his "spontaneous" confession (with the help of "alcohol and the whip", as he himself put it) camp Commandant Rudolf Hoess, the so-called "proud technician", claimed 3.000.000, very few apparently take notice or believe him...

And we therefore reach the last generation of figures (no pun intended) with Jean-Claude Pressac who pointed out a figure of 775.000 in 1993. However, he lowered the total number to 630.000 victims -- only "470.000 to 550.000" of which Jews -- in 1994.

Of course, as soon as 08.01.1948, Welt im Film (British newsreel, nbr. 137) was indicating a figure of 300.000, but more recently it was revealed that the mortuary books (Sterbebücher) which had been kept during the war by the Auschwitz camp authorities exist at least from 27.07.1941 to 31.12.1943. Since the camp was opened in 20.05.1940 and evacuated in 18.01.1945, that period represents a little more than half the duration of the camp's existence under German authority. The books, as released after more than 40 years, thanks in part to the Zundel trials of 1985 and 1988, appear to include approximately 69,000 names.

If that doesn't give you food for a little independent thought, please consider the International Red Cross archives at Arolsen, always closed to revisionists. Can the archives of an organisation like the IRC be trusted, since neither individual "Holocaust scholars" nor the media appear to remotely know what they are talking about? Here is the figure then (17.08.1994):

-- International Red Cross at Arolsen: 66.206
Dept. of Holocaust investigations (Ref. nbr: 10824).

Perhaps not exhaustive, but could this be much nearer to the truth than the figures involving millions for Auschwitz alone?
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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby Hannover » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:27 am)

And then the 'ca. 300,000 not-murdered Jews' is small beer when compared to the wanton slaughter of German civilians by the Allies.

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby IHaveNoName » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:48 am)

Tomt wrote:The 300,000 came from the red cross statistics, the British interception of secret German transmits about camp migration and the records that the soviets found that they didn't release until the 90,s I think. The 6 million is from the talimud. It was always going to be 6 million. There are like 100 or more newspaper clippings prior to ww2 citing the 6 million figure.

Hey!
Do you have any chart that shows the number of Jews in every country before and after the war by the red cross?
Thanks!

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Re: The 6 million figure

Postby IHaveNoName » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Oct 21, 2015 11:49 am)

Werd wrote:
IHaveNoName wrote:

I still didn't fully understand why they chose the number, could you elaborate?

You obviously didn't read the whole thread. Skip ahead to this post specifically. viewtopic.php?p=37540#p37540

Yes, you're absolutely correct, I thought you wanted me to read only the first post, sorry!


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