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Re: I need help refuting a rebuttal to Auschwitz revised death toll.

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 10 months ago (Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:37 am)

Wolfy Snackrib wrote:Thank you guys for all the replies. I'm also curious about what the original total number of the Holocaust was after the Nuremberg trials. Was it 11 million like we see today? And when the numbers got revised at concentration camps, they simply moved all of those deaths outside of the concentration camps, to assert the same number of 11 million?


The figure of 12,000,000 was mentioned numerous times during the main Nuremberg trial:


Sir Hartley Shawcross (British prosecutor), 26 July 1946:
In all our countries when perhaps in the heat of passion or for other motives which impair restraint some individual is killed, the murder becomes a sensation, our compassion is aroused, nor do we rest until the criminal is punished and the rule of law is vindicated. Shall we do less when not one but on the lowest computation 12 million men, women, and children, are done to death? Not in battle, not in passion, but in the cold, calculated, deliberate attempt to destroy nations and races, to disintegrate the traditions, the institutions, and the very existence of free and ancient states. Twelve million murders' Two-thirds of the Jews in Europe exterminated, more than 6 million of them on the killers' own figures. Murder conducted like some mass production industry in the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Maidanek, and Oranienburg.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-26-46.asp


Sir Hartley Shawcross (British prosecutor), 27 July 1946:
Twelve million men, women, and children have died thus, murdered in cold blood; millions upon millions more today mourn their fathers and mothers, their husbands, their wives, and their children. [...]

The proposition which you are asked to accept is that a man who was either a minister or a leading executive in a state which, within the space of 6 years, transported in horrible conditions some 7 million men, women, and children for labor, exterminated 275,000 of its own aged and mentally infirm and annihilated in the gas chambers or by shooting what must at the lowest computation be 12,000,000 people, remained ignorant of or irresponsible for these crimes.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-27-46.asp


Auguste Champetier de Ribes (French prosecutor), 29 July 1946:
The result of these so-called ethics of life was a practice and a doctrine of pure opportunism-collective or social, pseudoscientific, biological, materialistic-which resulted in the sterilization, the physiological observations made in the camps, and 12 million dead.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-29-46.asp


Alfred Rosenberg (defendant), 21 August 1946:
Besides repeating the old accusations, the prosecutors have raised new ones of the strongest kind; thus they claim that we all attended secret conferences in order to plan a war of aggression. Besides that, we are supposed to have ordered the alleged murder of 12,000,000 people. All these accusations have been collectively described as "genocide"--the murder of peoples.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/08-31-46.asp


Roman Rudenko (Soviet prosecutor), 30 August 1946:
It is instructive to find that without any exception, all the organizations, which are considered as criminal by the Indictment, are pure and immaculate according to the testimonies of the witnesses. But who then murdered the 12 million peaceful citizens?

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/08-30-46.asp
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Re: I need help refuting a rebuttal to Auschwitz revised death toll.

Postby forasanerworld » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:44 pm)

How many jews were there in Europe in total?

The US demographer Hankins wrote a piece which is on the ihr/jhr site about the near impossibility of knowing, so we'll have to take it from the horse's mouth
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In 1942 when Rabbi Stephen Wise made his astounding announcement of the Riegner telegram what figure did he claim?


"Received alarming report stating that, in the Fuehrer's Headquarters, a plan has been discussed, and is under consideration, according to which all Jews in countries occupied or controlled by Germany numbering 3½ to 4 millions" (copied form Wikipedia)

Knowing that Wiki is always correct you can verify this in the announcement in the 25th November 1942 Sarasota Herald Tribune archive which also quotes that killing is proceed by the injection of air bubbles, at the rate of 100 person per hour per doctor.

https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/?pf=stephen&pl=wise&pr=10&psb=date&ob=1&page=3&pc=25924&psi=28&pci=7&pt=25067&ndt=by&py=1940&pey=1949/

I have copy of this as a PDF if anyone wants it.

The same figure of 4 million was the basis of the Adenauer and Moshe Sharett agreement, I can't imagine the Israelis would have knowing undercooked the number.

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Re: I need help refuting a rebuttal to Auschwitz revised death toll.

Postby Lamprecht » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:26 pm)

I would be interested in that "100 person per hour murder by air bubble" info
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Re: I need help refuting a rebuttal to Auschwitz revised death toll.

Postby forasanerworld » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:09 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:I would be interested in that "100 person per hour murder by air bubble" info


Hi, you requested this. It's good to make contact, my first here

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Re: I need help refuting a rebuttal to Auschwitz revised death toll.

Postby forasanerworld » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:32 pm)

Lamprecht - I have requested PM access rights and reported an http error re attachments, I'll revert ASAP


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