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Postby Dresden » 1 year 4 months ago (Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:45 pm)

Omega Tensei said:

"It just makes no sense she could have gotten it at Bergen Belsen"

I think Bergen Belsen was the Typhus capital of the world at that point in time.


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Postby OmegaTensei » 1 year 4 months ago (Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:47 pm)

True, granted that there are countless victims from Bergen Belsen, it's plausible it could have been at that place. Before the camps were set up though, a typhus vaccine had been created. Being that Otto Frank and the Van Pels were wealthy businessmen, it's possible Anne could have gotten vaccinated as a precaution. Like I said, she had a weaker immune system, and thus she could have died at Birkenau.

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Postby Dresden » 1 year 4 months ago (Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:09 pm)

Omega Tensei said:

"Like I said, she had a weaker immune system, and thus she could have died at Birkenau"

She could have died of what at Birkenau?
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Postby Breker » 1 year 4 months ago (Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:12 pm)

OmegaTensei wrote:True, granted that there are countless victims from Bergen Belsen, it's plausible it could have been at that place. Before the camps were set up though, a typhus vaccine had been created. Being that Otto Frank and the Van Pels were wealthy businessmen, it's possible Anne could have gotten vaccinated as a precaution. Like I said, she had a weaker immune system, and thus she could have died at Birkenau.

As far as I know that vaccine was not readily available and somewhat difficult to produce on a large scale. That is why Zyklon-B and DDT became the weapons of choice.
Mr. Omega, you seem to be confused, or perhaps still learning about the Anne Frank tale within the myth.
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Postby Dresden » 1 year 4 months ago (Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:23 pm)

Breker said:

"As far as I know that vaccine was not readily available and somewhat difficult to produce on a large scale. That is why Zyklon-B and DDT became the weapons of choice.
Mr. Omega, you seem to be confused, or perhaps still learning about the Anne Frank tale within the myth.
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Why have we never heard of this vaccine in the documents?

There should be scores of documents from camp commandants and other personnel warning any Germans that were on their way to the camp to make sure they have their Typhus vaccine before entering the camp.

There is nothing of the kind.
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Postby OmegaTensei » 1 year 4 months ago (Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:30 am)

I am not talking about the vaccine being distributed throughout the camps. I'm suggesting a few may have gotten it before the camps were even built. On a large scale, it was used in China from 1936. This doesn't mean a few people couldn't have gotten it if they had simply went to poland and asked for it directly. This would actually be possible because Germany hadn't taken over until 1939.

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Postby Zulu » 1 year 4 months ago (Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:25 am)

OmegaTensei wrote:I am not talking about the vaccine being distributed throughout the camps. I'm suggesting a few may have gotten it before the camps were even built. On a large scale, it was used in China from 1936. This doesn't mean a few people couldn't have gotten it if they had simply went to poland and asked for it directly. This would actually be possible because Germany hadn't taken over until 1939.

A little search gave me as result that, if a vaccine was created between WWI and WWII, it seems it had been dangerous. Latter, after 1941, a more effective product was developed by the the Polish zoologist Rudolf Weigl under Nazi supervision.
"The first typhus vaccine was developed by the Polish zoologist Rudolf Weigl in the period between the two world wars.[26] Better, less-dangerous and less-expensive vaccines were developed during World War II. Since then, some epidemics have occurred in Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Africa"
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26. Naomi Baumslag, Murderous Medicine: Nazi Doctors, Human Experimentation, and Typhus, Greenwood Publishing Group, 2005, page 133
http://books.google.com/books?id=Qk3lIumGHd8C&pg=PA133

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus

Another interesting story about How Scientists Created A Typhus Vaccine In A 'Fantastic Laboratory'
That is the story counted on the Arthur Allen book 'The Fantastic Laboratory of Dr. Weigl'
When Germany invaded the Soviet Union during World War II, Nazi commanders had another worry besides the Red Army. Epidemics of typhus fever, which is transmitted by body lice, killed untold numbers of soldiers and civilians during and after World War I.

As World War II raged, typhus reappeared in war-torn areas and in Jewish ghettos, where cramped, harsh conditions were a perfect breeding ground for lice.

So the Nazis employed Dr. Rudolf Weigl to produce a typhus vaccine. Weigl created a technique that involved raising millions of infected lice in a laboratory and harvesting their guts to get the materials for a vaccine.

Lice that had been infected with typhus bacteria would be allowed to feed on human volunteers, says Arthur Allen, who wrote the new book The Fantastic Laboratory of Dr. Weigl. "And then, after about five days," Allen tells Fresh Air's Dave Davies,"[the lice] would be taken and dissected individually."

Scientists would pull out the "louse gut," where the typhus bacteria grow and multiply, put it in a pot and, basically, mash it up with a chemical solution to make the vaccine.

Weigl's lab in Lviv, Poland, sheltered Polish intellectuals and resistance fighters from the Nazis by employing them as lice feeders, meaning the volunteers allowed hundreds or thousands of lice — some infected with typhus, some not — to suck their blood. The lice were put in tiny cages that were attached to people's legs. To avoid catching the illness themselves, these human volunteers had to be clean, have healthy skin and be able to resist scratching.

"All the intellectual life basically migrated to Weigl's laboratory," Allen says. "There were ... tables full of mathematicians who would be doing their work as mathematicians while lice fed on their blood."

The lab sent weakened vaccines to the German army. And Weigl helped smuggle the stronger product to Jews in a Polish ghetto.

Allen says there was also a black market for the vaccine.

"It was one of the most valuable black market commodities," he says, "because it was thought as being one of the only ways you could save yourself from typhus in the ghetto."

source: http://www.npr.org/2014/07/22/333734201 ... laboratory

Must we conclude that, if the vaccine sent to the German Army was a weakened version of the Weigl's formula, some Jews prisoners could have been not properly treated with it and, as consequence, could have been died of typhus? Ann Frank maybe? Who knows?

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Postby Dresden » 1 year 4 months ago (Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:35 am)

Omega Tensei said:

This doesn't mean a few people couldn't have gotten it if they had simply went to poland and asked for it directly

What could possibly have motivated Otto Frank to take his daughter from Amsterdam to Poland to get a Typhus vaccine?
Was there a Typhus epidemic in Amsterdam, or was Otto Frank a psychic?
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Postby OmegaTensei » 1 year 4 months ago (Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:20 am)

He didn't have to be psychic to know what Hitler was already doing in Germany. Why is it so hard to believe that he did this just to make sure both of his kids had a chance of surviving in case his family was inevitably captured and deported? Quite clearly he took a safety measure to protect his family by moving out of Germany. If he figured Hitler was going to set up concentration camps, it wouldn't be far off to say he figured disease was a risk also. Typhus just so happens to be a disease that can kill.

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Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:31 am)

OmegaTensei wrote:He didn't have to be psychic to know what Hitler was already doing in Germany. Why is it so hard to believe that he did this just to make sure both of his kids had a chance of surviving in case his family was inevitably captured and deported? Quite clearly he took a safety measure to protect his family by moving out of Germany. If he figured Hitler was going to set up concentration camps, it wouldn't be far off to say he figured disease was a risk also. Typhus just so happens to be a disease that can kill.

Anne Frank's father, Otto Frank, never said a word about vaccinations. I'm sure he would have objected to being told his daughter died of typhus after, according to you, she had been vaccinated for typhus.
Your idea that the Franks would take a trip through war time Germany to war time Poland for vaccinations is just preposterous. You're barking up the wrong tree, there is no evidence whatsoever for your assertions.

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Postby NLH » 1 year 4 months ago (Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:47 am)

I find it very interesting that sites that wouldnt usually report such stuff are calling this a fraud, getting readers that may not be otherwise aware or interested in the subject to be exposed to it: https://torrentfreak.com/anne-frank-sca ... se-151115/ this can only be a good thing.
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Postby NLH » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:35 am)

NLH wrote:I find it very interesting that sites that wouldnt usually report such stuff are calling this a fraud, getting readers that may not be otherwise aware or interested in the subject to be exposed to it: https://torrentfreak.com/anne-frank-sca ... se-151115/ this can only be a good thing.



Although sadly, yet not surprisingly, a comment regarding this appears to have been removed about 2 hours ago.

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Postby Mortimer » 1 year 2 months ago (Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:32 am)

Looking at the CODOH news for March 17 2006 I found that a Belgian politician Roland Raes lost his job as senator because he said the diary was not genuine. He was prosecuted under the totalitarian law against holocaust revisionism. With this news about Otto Frank being the co author of the diary I wonder if he can have his sentence overturned -
http://codoh.com/library/document/328/

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Postby hermod » 1 year 2 months ago (Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:12 am)

The Germans had an anti-typhus vaccine during WW2, but not a very efficient one.

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Postby Hektor » 5 months 2 days ago (Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:30 am)

The Germans had medical doctors working on vaccines and medical treatments for Typhus and other diseases. That included Jewish physicians like Ludwik Fleck:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/27793345?s ... b_contents

Today this is designated as "participating in Nazi experiments" invoking sado-masochist fantasies of atrocious made scientist torturing innocent, helpless inmates. That those experiments and research may just have been designed to actually cure diseases of which especially concentration camp inmates and ghetto dwellers were suffering doesn't come to mind of the Holocaust believing audience.

While there may have been some predisposition towards typhus or similar diseases. It's interesting that we have the testimony of at least two Allied agents that admit that they were spreading infested lice as a means to subvert Axis war efforts. Of course the mainline historiography ignores this fact completely preferring to search for evil Nazis that gassed Jews. Taken, it seems they've thrown the gassing allegations under the bus over the years. Just invoking it from time to time to keep the gullible audiences fantasies going.


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