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Corpse/Carcass Disposal by Incineration

Postby Hegwood » 3 years 11 months ago (Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:44 am)

My conversion from a complete holocaust believer into a complete denier begins and ends with stories of the alleged open air burning of corpses of murdered Jews by the Germans. The description of these alleged events struck me as so preposterous that little else was necessary to bring me to the realization that the holocaust was a complete hoax. It was not only immediately clear that these alleged holocaust events were totally impossible but also that "respected" Jewish leaders and their political lackeys who force feed this stuff to the world population are a bunch of liars.

The bookends of my conversion were the description of open air burning of corpses at Treblinka by Yankiel Wiernik and the "exhumation and cremation of the victims at Babi Yar".

In brief Yankiel Wiernik claims that he witnessed human corpses being piled on large grates and set fire. He claims they burned to ash. His story goes into great detail about carrying corpses to and piling them on the grates but makes absolutely no mention of carrying, stacking, or even seeing the mountains of wood it would take to cremate thousands of corpses. Instead, he says they burned on their own. This is total nonsense.

The Treblinka event not only showed that a big part of the holocaust story is impossible but it also primed me accept that holocaust revisionists were believable whereas it was holocaust promoters who were liars. Accordingly, I had to read only a few of the investigations of the alleged operation of Auschwitz before those mass killing stories fell apart. I still believed there had been mass shootings of Jews in eastern Europe, particularly at Babi Yar, and that mass graves had been found to prove it. But then it turned out that no mass graves have actually ever been found and the excuse for their absence was that the bodies were exhumed and burned in some open air procedure. This was the same nonsense that they tried to feed me about Treblinka. This was the final straw. At this point I became convinced that not a single person was executed by the Germans simply because they were Jewish. The holocaust is a complete and total hoax.

My conversion was that simple. Now any holocaust atrocity story is presumed to be a lie. Before I believe it, it must be supported by unquestionable evidence. The burden of proof is on the storyteller and given their past record the bar is set high. So far not one has passed.

What surprises me is that few others are as struck by the complete and total absurdity of these claimed open air cremations as I am. Not even holocaust revisionists place emphasis on this impossible part of the story. The video "Holocaust Pig Roast" by Jim and Joe Rizoli is a recent exception.

What in my experiences causes me to be so struck with the absurdity of these stories isn't exactly clear but it isn't just a scholarly type knowledge that just come from reading nor is it solely a scientific deduction. It is both of those things but more. It comes from numerous simple observations of the real world in which we live such as the following.

Look at your fingers, your hand, your arm. Do they look like they would burn? Can you imagine that your hand, hopefully anaesthetised, would catch fire and burn off? Have you ever heard of anyone being rushed to the hospital because any of his extremities caught fire and burned off. Burn victims have first, second, and third degree burns of their flesh, they do not have missing parts of their bodies because they caught fire and burned off. This is not an exaggeration, in order for large parts of the holocaust story to be true human flesh would have to be that easy to burn.

Think about all of the meat that is cooked over open flames. Perhaps the reader has done his share with a backyard barbeque grill. Never does the meat catch fire and burn. True, grease can be rendered from fatty meat and it will burn. It will flame up and possible scorch the leaner parts of the potential meal but the meat itself does not burn. If the external heat is turned off, i.e. the gas burner in the case of a backyard grill, the grease fire will quickly go out. Neither animal flesh nor human flesh will catch fire and burn. If your steak turns up missing from you backyard grill someone or something else is enjoying it. It did not burn to ashes and fall through the grill.

Ask any fireman, policeman, detective, or arson investigator whether it is possible to simple burn human corpses. Most of them know from first-hand experience, others from training, that the bodies of house and car fire victims do not burn easily. Even when subjected to intense heat for a prolonged period a corpse is merely charred. Numerous murderers have tried to cover the evidence of their crime by burning a house with their victim's corpse inside only to have it found in such condition that an autopsy is easily able to determine the exact cause of death.

Practitioners of the Hindu religion have used open air cremations to dispose of the bodies of loved ones for centuries. Open air cremation is accomplished by placing the body on a pyre. The pyre consists of hundreds of pounds of wood. The exact amount depends on a number of things but is between two and eight hundred pounds. There are Youtube videos that show actual Hindu cremations. Invariable, they show the body placed on several large pieces of firewood with more wood over and around it. The large pieces of wood under the body burn for about six hours giving off heat that breaks down soft tissue to a dry ash leaving only it and brittle bones. The body never burns on its own. Two hundred and fifty to three hundred and fifty pounds of wood will produce from 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 BTU's of heat. In open air cremations most of the heat is lost to the atmosphere only a fraction of it actually cremates the body.

If it were possible to take human bodies and burn them using only small amount of kindling or accelerant as Treblinka eyewitnesses claim, crematoria and crematory oven manufacturers would certainly know about it and utilize the technique. Instead, crematory makers find it necessary to incorporate 500,000 BTU per hour cremation burners fuelled by natural or LPG gas even though cremation takes place in an oven where heat is retained. This burner can cremate a 150 pound corpse in one hour. As an example, see those advertised by B & L Cremation Systems Inc. on their website. Using the burner size as a guide, I would say that in an insulated oven where heat loss is minimized it takes roughly 500,000 BTU's to cremate a human corpse. This would be consistent with the 250 pounds of wood or 2,000,000 BTU's required in an open air environment.

One final example is the disposal of diseased animal carcasses. A U.S. Department of Agricultural publication "Carcass Disposal: A Comprehensive Review", August 2004, states that open air incineration of a bovine carcass (approximately 1,000 pounds) requires 3, 8-foot, 12x12 inch timbers (if hard wood about 1,000 pounds) and 500 pounds of coal. Again the fuel required to cremate flesh is large.

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Re: Corpse/Carcass Disposal by Incineration

Postby Werd » 3 years 11 months ago (Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:20 pm)

A few noted problems with "Treblinka Pig Roast" video.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=75319#p75319

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Re: Corpse/Carcass Disposal by Incineration

Postby Atigun » 3 years 11 months ago (Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:26 pm)

I think of the open air cremations at Treblinka as, "Sergeant Floss' magic barbeque." It's one of the three physical impossibilities of the tale of Treblinka. The other two being the diesel gas chambers and the giant mass graves. As Arnulf Neumaier pointed out, the pressure created in the original hermetically sealed gas chamber by that 38.8 liter Soviet engine would have either stalled the engine or collapsed the brick building in only a few minutes of operation. The Pattle et al. study done on the effects of diesel exhaust show that even with an engine modified to produce maximum carbon monoxide, 20-30 minutes of breathing the exhaust is insufficient to kill a human. The equipment, a Menck and Hambrock dragline (excavator) available at Treblinka II was totally incapable of performing the feats of excavating as described by the so-called eyewitnesses.

The eyewitness Chil Rajchman said the pits measured 50X30X12 meters and that there were eleven of them with at least one large enough to contain 250,000 corpses. The surface area of a 50X30 meter grave is 1,500 square meters so the total area of eleven such graves would cover slightly more than four (4) acres. That doesn't include the walkways between the graves necessary for carrying the cadavers or the area necessary for the stockpiles of the excavated material. The official narrative states that the "killing area" took up only five (5) acres of the camp. Sure must have been a crowded five acres.

The availability of GPR and other high tech geophysical gear would make locating the mass graves a matter of routine. Caroline Sturdy-Colls claimed to have found one mass grave that measured 17X26 meters and unknown depth but declared that she would return to Treblinka and locate the other mass graves. That was three years ago. It's my opinion that CS-C did perform a complete GPR scan of the alleged burial site and found nothing beyond what was probably the camp garbage pit. That information was suppressed and Treblinka has seen the last of the lachrymose Ms. CS-C. JMHO, though.

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Re: Corpse/Carcass Disposal by Incineration

Postby Hegwood » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:10 pm)

The following is a link to a blog describing Hindu cremations at a ghat near the Ganges River somewhere in India. A ghat is site along the river where corpses are cremated on open air pyres. The actual description, according to the blog article, was written by an Indian who actually performs them. Apparently he is employed by a family to assist is the cremation processed, an Indian equivalent of an undertaker.
http://hooliganstreetjournal.tumblr.com ... nges-river

The blog is The Hooligan Street Journal: subtitled graffiti of the the literary world

Many such cremations can be viewed on YouTube and what the man says is verified.
Take particular note of the wood required to cremate just one human corpse.

May 3, 2013
Cremation on the Ganges River

Hello, my name is Rishi and I live on the banks of the Ganges River. It is pleasurable for me because as a Hindu, the Ganges is sacred. At any time of day, you will find thousands of people bathing in these sacred waters. At some points on the river, the water rushes over your body. It is important you anchor yourself to avoid being swept away. Other areas of the Ganges are calm and thick. We believe this river is the crossing point for all beings alive and dead. Immerse yourself in the water of mother Ganges and be purified of ten lifetimes of sin.
I must inform you that I am an untouchable. A member of the Dom caste, the lowest of the low in the Indian caste system. However, I am lucky that my family lives near the Varanasi Ghat, one of the most famous Ghats on the Ganges. It is customary that Dom’s like myself take the lowest level jobs. I am a funeral worker. Seven days a week I work tirelessly preparing and performing funeral services for many Hindu families.
My occupation is looked down upon by people in higher castes, but my family is happy to do the work. Since there is always death, my family will always have work. The job was frightening at first, seeing bodies burned right in front of you, but I have grown accustom to the work. The smell of smoldering human flesh no longer makes me gag.
When a family is looking for funeral services, they find a Dom like myself. It is rumored that the Dom Raja, the leader of the Dom caste, is a multimillionaire from the funeral business. There is good money in the funeral business, but this is just rumor. Depending on what the family can afford, we provide all cremation services.
Families pay anywhere between 538-4,303 Indian Rupees for or services ($10 -$80). Poverty is common here and some family cannot afford a full cremation for their loved ones. Each family looking to cremate a relative must first pay for wood. Wealthy families prefer Sandalwood because it burns hot and leaves a pleasant aroma. Poor families purchase any wood scraps available, sometimes only the dust from the Sandalwood is sprinkled on top.
Everyday hundreds of people are cremated on the banks of the Ganges River. So many that Varanasi no longer has forests. All wood must be brought in on boat from 1000 kilometers away. When the wood arrives, I am in charge of stacking it for the cremation. We call this stack of wood a “pyre.” It takes over six hundred pounds of wood to fully cremate a body. Many families cannot afford all six hundred pounds.

The body is first wrapped in silver and gold colored cloth. It covers their entire body from head to toe. While the bodies are covered, they have often been left in the sun for many hours. Some are bloated, and some leak fluids through the cloths onto my hands. The smell is dreadful. After the body is fully cloaked in silver and gold cloth, it is wrapped again in a white shroud. Now the body is fully prepared for the service.
Many westerners cry at funerals. In India crying at a funeral is looked down upon. For most Hindus, death is viewed as a passage or rebirth into a better life, or heaven. All bodily fluids, including tears, are seen as pollutants at a funeral celebration. Women do not attend the cremations. Since they are more likely to weep, they are asked to stay home.
At this point, the funeral service begins. The relatives plunge the body into the Ganges in sacred tradition. This act helps to ensure the relative is transcended from the cycle of life and rebirth and granted into heaven. After the plunge in the holy water, ghee (clarified butter) is rubbed on the outer shrouds. This is part of the tradition, but it also helps with the burning process. The body is then laid on the stack of wood. Men are cremated facing up, woman facing down. Lifting a wet body onto a five foot stack of wood is exhausting.
The chief mourner, oldest son or male relative, has the task of starting the fire. I stuff hay into the wood, traditional religious passages are read, and the chief mourner starts the fire around the victim’s mouth.
For the remaining cremation process, it is my job to ensure the body burns evenly. A typical body takes about three and a half hours to fully burn. This means I must work hard the entire time, prodding the wood with a heavy pole and adding hay when the fire begins to fade.
If the family is lucky, the skull will explode from the heat. In Hinduism, this is thought to release the soul from the physical body. When the skull doesn’t explode, it is the duty of the chief mourner to crack it open after the fire dies down. In a perfect service, where a family can afford a great deal of wood, most of the body is reduced to ashes. From my experience, the hip bones of women and the chest bones of men are likely to remain after the fire burns itself out. I help to collect the ashes and charred bones and the family castes them into the Ganges.
What I have described for you is the ideal funeral situation. For poor families, the process is much more turbulent. Families that cannot afford ample wood are left with partially burned bodies. Still they must crack the skull to release the soul of their loved one. Watching this act is difficult for many relatives.
Even when bodies are not fully burned into ash, the remains are thrown into the sacred river. Some are washed away quickly, while others float to the surface and drift by the shore. Each year tens of thousands of bodies are dumped into the Ganges.
In Varanasi, small children, holy men, and pregnant women are not cremated at all. Instead, their bodies are tied to large stones and dropped into the river. Years ago, snapping turtles were bred and released in the Ganges to help consume the human remains. I don’t know if it’s working, every day I see more bodies drifting and clogging the river.
I have much respect for the tradition of Hindu cremation on the Ganges. It is a religious tradition that will continue for many years. God willing, when I die, my body will be burned on the Varanasi Ghat. My brothers will sprinkle my ashes on the surface of the water and I will ascend from this earth.
Our customs are seen as gruesome to other cultures. To me it is a thing of beauty. At any time, I can see, smell, and taste the fire from a dozen pyres. It’s more than burning human flesh. It is family, Hindu praises, and the magnificent Ganges River. It is a symbol of transcendence.

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Re: Corpse/Carcass Disposal by Incineration

Postby Atigun » 2 years 3 months ago (Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:38 pm)

I can't understand how holyhoaxers such as Roberto can convince themselves that some 850,000 cadavers at Treblinka and approximately 1.4 million bodies overall at the Reinhardt camps could be totally cremated to ashes without any significant amounts of fuel. Like the Aussies say, I'm gobsmacked by such claims. As I've said, I simply can't understand why any rational person would believe such tripe.











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