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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby hermod » 3 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:52 pm)

onetruth wrote:
hermod wrote:Elie Wiesel, the most famous survivor of the Holocaust, was in a hospital at Monowitz, recovering from an operation on his foot, when he chose to join the march out of the camp, and eventually ended up at the Buchenwald camp.

Looks like the proof I was requesting. As far as I know, there was no hospital, quarantine area, or recovery block at Monowitz. Only factories and laborers. So only healthy prisoners able to work. What the source of this figure? Where do these numbers come from?


read the text again . It says on the second paragraph :

"Elie Wiesel, the most famous survivor of the Holocaust, was in a hospital at Monowitz, recovering from an operation on his foot, when he chose to join the march out of the camp, and eventually ended up at the Buchenwald camp. "

Monowitz did have a hospital :

The Prisoner Infirmary in the Buna/Monowitz Concentration Camp – History and Setup

http://www.wollheim-memorial.de/en/der_ ... und_aufbau


It seems I'll have to wait longer for compelling evidence of this.

Although I don't care much about this topic. The Germans still had a war to fight. They needed laborers to build underground factories safe from Allied bombs and Wunderwaffen. Logical they evacuated as many prisoners fit for work as possible. Understandable. I fail to see why they would/should have acted otherwise.
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hannover » 3 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:29 pm)

onetruth posted
"Elie Wiesel, the most famous survivor of the Holocaust, was in a hospital at Monowitz, recovering from an operation on his foot, when he chose to join the march out of the camp, and eventually ended up at the Buchenwald camp. "

That's "CHOSE", onetruth, chose. As in choice.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:33 pm)

hermod wrote:.....
It seems I'll have to wait longer for compelling evidence of this.

Although I don't care much about this topic. The Germans still had a war to fight. They needed laborers to build underground factories safe from Allied bombs and Wunderwaffen. Logical they evacuated as many prisoners fit for work as possible. Understandable. I fail to see why they would/should have acted otherwise.


That's right. And Germany had a generally right of ius ad Bellum. The conscripted their own male citizens to do service in the armed forces, which were putting them at far greater risk as being an inmate in an concentration camp (although inmates there were themselves at risks from Allied warfare or its results). There was also civilian conscription for other matters like labor, fire brigades (which was also quite risky). So whenever someone says:"But the Nazis had no right to put Jews into camps and force them to work, that's slave-labor." My reply is: Excuse me, I just pointed out to conscription in several forms. A state at war can extent it's rights unilaterally. Bear in mind that the Allies, who declared war on Germany or tried to get a war with Germany going did exactly the same. And they also had colonies where they could (and did) people force to work. They were also taxed, which is a kind of forced labor. So why do you apply double standards here?

They then resort to "arguments" like:"But the Nazis were evil"
That seems to be the axiom everything else is justified or evaluated by and deducted from.
The whole thing seems to me to be a series of fallacious argumentation (if they even do that) involving begging the question, circular reason and muddying the waters and poisoning the well, which was mainly achieved by wartime, postwar propaganda and it's follow up "cultural productions".

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby hermod » 3 years 2 weeks ago (Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:14 pm)

Hektor wrote:That's right. And Germany had a generally right of ius ad Bellum. The conscripted their own male citizens to do service in the armed forces, which were putting them at far greater risk as being an inmate in an concentration camp (although inmates there were themselves at risks from Allied warfare or its results). There was also civilian conscription for other matters like labor, fire brigades (which was also quite risky). So whenever someone says:"But the Nazis had no right to put Jews into camps and force them to work, that's slave-labor." My reply is: Excuse me, I just pointed out to conscription in several forms. A state at war can extent it's rights unilaterally. Bear in mind that the Allies, who declared war on Germany or tried to get a war with Germany going did exactly the same. And they also had colonies where they could (and did) people force to work. They were also taxed, which is a kind of forced labor. So why do you apply double standards here?


When someone tells me that forcing Jews to work in concentration camps was too much, I reply that it was visibly not enough since Germany was defeated despite that Jewish Workforce. Isn't a total military defeat a symptom of a wartime 'not enough' after all?

They then resort to "arguments" like:"But the Nazis were evil"
That seems to be the axiom everything else is justified or evaluated by and deducted from.
The whole thing seems to me to be a series of fallacious argumentation (if they even do that) involving begging the question, circular reason and muddying the waters and poisoning the well, which was mainly achieved by wartime, postwar propaganda and it's follow up "cultural productions".


The other side is evil and so nothing is banned against him, sounds like the motto of a terrorist group. Very few people realize that when Islamic terrorists kill enemy civilians in America or France, they just act as the Greatest Generation did in Germany 7 decades ago. The Germans are all evil followers of the Hitlerite Devil, so I can legitimately bomb their women and children in their beds. Or the Americans and the French are all supporters of the Israeli Devil, so I can legitimately blow up their women and children at an airport. Honestly, what's the difference? The Allied good-doers of WW2 inaugurated all that shit. Give credit where credit is due...
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby phdnm » 3 years 1 week ago (Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:10 pm)

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German court: Trial of Auschwitz medic needs to be restarted


October 06, 2016

BERLIN — A German court says the trial of a former SS medic who served at the Auschwitz death camp has to be restarted because more time is needed to respond to complaints that the presiding judge and others are biased.

Neubrandenburg state court spokesman Christian Deutsch said Thursday that prosecutors held up the trial of Hubert Zafke themselves by seeking the removal of several judges.

The trial of the 95-year-old, which finally got underway three weeks ago, was repeatedly postponed after judges ruled he was unfit. That led prosecutors and attorneys representing victims' families to accuse the judges of bias.

Deutsch said the judges need time to respond, and the gap between sessions means it will have to be restarted.

Zafke's attorney says his client did nothing criminal at Auschwitz.


http://www.cortezjournal.com/article/20 ... -restarted

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby phdnm » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:42 am)

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German court excludes Jewish brothers from Auschwitz trial


February 14, 2017.

BERLIN — A German court has excluded two elderly Jewish American men from joining the trial of a 96-year-old former Auschwitz SS medic, because their mother was not killed in the death camp’s gas chambers during the time covered in the indictment.

Hubert Zafke is charged with 3,681 counts of accessory to murder for a one-month period in 1944.

The Neubrandenburg state court said Tuesday it was excluding Walter and William Plywaski, of Boulder, Colorado, from joining the trial as co-plaintiffs, as allowed under German law for victims’ relatives.

Their attorneys argue that Zafke was present for a longer period than covered by the indictment, and say they’ll appeal.

The trial has been repeatedly delayed over the defendant’s health and complaints from the co-plaintiffs the judges are biased.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... e0f4464820

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.771746

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hektor » 2 years 8 months ago (Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:25 pm)

fountainhead wrote:Sickening.

Is anyone after the remnants of the NKVD for the thousands of murders they were "accessory" to?


Nope, and imagine they'd go for cleaners in the RAF offices. It's more of an humiliation exercise against a defeated nation. Doesn't have anything to do with "Justice".

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby phdnm » 2 years 6 months ago (Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:01 pm)

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German court urged to reopen Auschwitz medic trial


March 29, 2017

BERLIN — A group of Holocaust survivors, historians and others are urging a German court to reopen as soon as possible the trial of an ex-SS medic who served at the Auschwitz death camp.

In a letter to the Neubrandenburg state court provided to The Associated Press Wednesday, the group accused the presiding judge of a "partisan approach" and being more concerned with the physical condition of Hubert Zafke than "the defendant's responsibility."

The trial has been postponed repeatedly after judges ruled the 96-year-old was unfit.

In December, the court rejected a complaint filed by prosecutors and attorneys representing Auschwitz victims and their families to remove the judges for alleged bias.

Zafke is charged with 3,681 counts of accessory to murder for allegedly helping the camp function. His attorney says he did nothing criminal.


http://www.startribune.com/german-court ... 417440943/

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby borjastick » 2 years 2 months ago (Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:41 am)

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/36585 ... p=st#page1

Sadly yesterday he was declared fit to go to prison.

This a 96 year old man. Who on earth thinks this is fair to send anyone this old to prison. Only one group would do that, The Tribe.
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Hektor » 2 years 2 months ago (Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:28 pm)

borjastick wrote:https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/36585815/bookkeeper-of-auschwitz-fit-to-serve-sentence-german-prosecutor/?cmp=st#page1

Sadly yesterday he was declared fit to go to prison.

This a 96 year old man. Who on earth thinks this is fair to send anyone this old to prison. Only one group would do that, The Tribe.



For some strange reason the German Court thought so. They have of course a motive in that. Keeping the status quo.

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Breker » 2 years 2 months ago (Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:28 am)

Hektor wrote:For some strange reason the German Court thought so. They have of course a motive in that. Keeping the status quo.

This is the same German system that arrests it's own people for mentioning any crime by a Muslim caveman when it's proven that the criminal was in fact a Muslim caveman and the crime itself was motivated by Islamic "law".
Let's not confuse the hijacked German leftist courts with justice.
It has criminalized anything which threatens it's power.
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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby phdnm » 2 years 1 month ago (Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:55 am)

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German case against Auschwitz medic, 96, to be thrown out


Aug. 31, 2017

BERLIN: German prosecutors called Thursday for the case of a 96-year-old former Nazi medical orderly at the Auschwitz death camp to be thrown out because he was deemed unfit for trial.

Hubert Zafke had faced charges of 3,681 counts of being an accessory to murder in the concentration camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

But concerns over his mental and physical health had led to repeated postponements of the trial, which began in February 2016 in the northeastern lakeside town of Neubrandenburg.

Stefan Urbanek, a spokesman for the regional prosecutor's office, said in a statement that medical evaluations in March and July this year had found the wheelchair-bound Zafke "unfit to stand trial".

"The experts reached this conclusion after having diagnosed dementia in October 2015, leading to a determination that Zafke could only stand trial on a limited basis," Urbanek said.

"Now the dementia has reached a severity that the defendant is no longer able inside and outside the courtroom to reasonably assess his interests or coherently follow or give testimony."

Urbanek said prosecutors were required by law after receiving this independent medical evaluation to submit a motion to dismiss the case.

Proceedings against Zafke, a farmer's son who joined the Nazi party's elite police force the Waffen-SS at age 19, had already been halted last October following complaints that the judges were biased.

The charges against Zafke focused on a one-month period in 1944 when 14 trains carrying prisoners -- including the Jewish teenage diarist Anne Frank -- arrived at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Frank, who arrived in Auschwitz with her parents and sister, was later transferred to another camp, Bergen-Belsen, where she died in March 1945, just two months before the Nazis were defeated.

The International Auschwitz Committee, which represents Holocaust survivors, had sharply attacked Germany's handling of the case, saying the court was hurtling "between sloppy ignorance and complete disinterest" in a resolution.

Some 1.1 million people, most of them European Jews, perished between 1940 and 1945 in Auschwitz before it was liberated by Soviet forces.

More than 70 years after the prosecution of top Nazis began in Nuremberg, Germany has been racing against time to try the last cogs in the Third Reich's killing machine.

Zafke was the fourth former concentration camp worker in the dock in the latest series of trials, following John Demjanjuk in 2011, Oskar Groening in 2015 and Reinhold Hanning last year -- all convicted of complicity in mass murder.

Those cases were hailed for providing a degree of catharsis for aged survivors, even if they shed little new light on the Holocaust.


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/World/ ... n-out.ashx

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby phdnm » 2 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:23 am)

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German Court Stops Trial of Paramedic Who Worked at Auschwitz


Sept. 12, 2017

BERLIN - A 96-year-old former paramedic at the Auschwitz Nazi death camp is no longer fit to stand trial due to his dementia, a spokesman for the court said on Tuesday, bringing to an end one of Germany's last prosecutions linked to the Holocaust.

Hubert Zafke worked as a paramedic in Auschwitz for one month starting on Aug. 15, 1944. He stood accused of being an accessory to the murder of at least 3,681 people at the concentration and extermination camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

During his time at Auschwitz, at least 14 deportation trains arrived there from places as far away as Lyon, Vienna and Westerbork in the Netherlands.

Although Zafke was not accused of having been directly involved in any killings, the prosecution's office said he was aware of the camp's function as a facility for mass murder.

The trial against Zafke began in the northeastern town of Neubrandenburg in 2016 but was repeatedly delayed due to his ill health.

Germany had faced criticism for not prosecuting those who were small cogs in the Nazi machine and did not actively take part in the killing of 6 million Jews during the Holocaust.

That criticism has abated thanks to many recent trials and convictions, such as the 2011 conviction of Sobibor extermination camp guard John Demjanjuk, which gave prosecutors new legal means to investigate suspects under accessory to murder charges.

Former Auschwitz guard Reinhold Hanning and Oskar Groening, known as the "bookkeeper of Auschwitz", have also been convicted of complicity in mass murder in recent years.

Another case against a woman who worked as a radio operator at Auschwitz was dropped last year after a court in Kiel ruled she was unfit to stand trial.


https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... -auschwitz

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Re: 95 year old former medic at Auschwitz to stand trial

Postby Metal Murphy » 2 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:57 pm)

Good. Maybe now the Germans will stop the nonsense and actually start researching what really happened to the Jews during the war.


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