Stalin's 19 August 1939 speech: Promoting European conflict to weaken Germany for future Soviet expansion. Forgery?

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Stalin's 19 August 1939 speech: Promoting European conflict to weaken Germany for future Soviet expansion. Forgery?

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 1 day ago (Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:21 pm)

A brief overview of the alleged speech can be found on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin's_ ... ugust_1939
Stalin's speech of 19 August 1939

A speech was allegedly given by Joseph Stalin, on 19 August 1939, to members of the Politburo, wherein he supposedly described the strategy of the Soviet Union on the eve of World War II. According to the strategy, promoting conflicts in Europe would be beneficial for the Soviet agenda and could provide future territorial expansions.

The historicity of the speech is still the subject of academic debate. Plausible textual evidence of this speech found in various reputable archives has been academically studied and published, however no formal first-hand evidence of a Politburo meeting held on 19 August 1939 or the delivery of the quoted speech has yet been proven. The Russian version of the speech[1] can be found at the Center for Historic Documents of the former Special Archives of the USSR.[2] Speeches given in secret were common at the time, the Politburo being a closed and secretive body.
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In the source material available to historians, Stalin is represented as expressing an expectation that the war would be the best opportunity to weaken both the Western nations and Nazi Germany, and make Germany suitable for "Sovietization". There is also expectation of eventual territorial expansion to the Baltic countries, Finland and Poland, with the approval of either the Western powers or Germany.

Historians who have studied these documents have suggested that if such a speech took place, which is usually considered plausible but not proven, then this view may have formed the basis for the Nazi-Soviet pact of non-aggression signed in 1939, known as the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which was signed just four days later on 23 August 1939.

The full speech can be found here, but apparently there are slightly different versions:

Stalin's speech to the Politburo on 19 August 1939, reconstructed from renderings in Novyi Mir, Moscow, and Revue de Droit International, Geneva
https://archive.is/4e4h2 or https://web.archive.org/web/20060520110 ... plete.html


Carl O. Nordling seems to think it was legitimate:

Did Stalin deliver his alleged speech of 19 August 1939?
https://archive.is/7NQk8 or https://web.archive.org/web/20070927220 ... talin.html


Irving also has an article on his website also suggesting the speech really hapened:

Stalin's Aggressive War Plans Disclosed - Thomas Titura
https://archive.is/XJcm8 or http://web.archive.org/web/200307020311 ... plans.html

Any other info on this?



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Re: Stalin's 19 August 1939 speech: Promoting European conflict to weaken Germany for future Soviet expansion. Forgery?

Postby HMSendeavour » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:53 am)

I read about this speech a few months back when I was really into reading about Barbarossa.

The Irving article is a comment on the book by Albert Weeks. I would recommend reading Weeks book as he addresses the speech. I did have an epub but epubs don't work anymore and unfortunately I do not have a pdf or the physical book to quote.

I addressed the speech here viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999&start=135#p94254

As far as I know, the speech is confirmed.

Mark Solonin addresses the speech here: http://www.solonin.org/en/article_comrade-stalins-three-plans he might also address it in other articles. Whether you think his comments on it are worth posting here Lamprecht is up to you.

The idea that creating trouble in Europe to foster global revolution is Communist thought that goes back to Lenin and is proof that the Soviets weren't peaceful. As if that were even a question.
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