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YouTuber challenges everyone on how Churchill started WW2

Postby NLH » 2 weeks 12 hours ago (Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:39 am)

Maybe those here with more knowledge can help.

The challenge is here: https://youtu.be/q2iBO3_Rvxw

He follows it up here:
https://youtu.be/62DwjuMnEwo

And here with more:
https://youtu.be/SdzMKjwVh2I
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Re: YouTuber challenges everyone on how Churchill started WW2

Postby borjastick » 2 weeks 12 hours ago (Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:00 am)

He seems like a very confused twelve year old and keeps saying 'people have said...' instead of quoting details and facts. He is deliberately stirring up those of a certain persuasion by claiming that Hitler was friends with the jews and supported Zionism and Churchill was friends with the jews too. He's is just dropping a grenade in to see what happens.

If there was a hornet's nest in his back garden he'd take a baseball bat to it...
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Re: YouTuber challenges everyone on how Churchill started WW2

Postby Lamprecht » 2 weeks 5 hours ago (Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:00 pm)

I have not yet watched the videos as I am on a short break from work, but here are the [auto-generated] English subtitles. I might read over them a bit if I have some free time during the day. Also, this should probably be in the WWII forum.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2iBO3_Rvxw


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you know I guys I would just like to
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make very short little video today and I
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would just like to ask the question how
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did Winston Churchill start the Second
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World War and I know there's been a lot
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of debate about this subject matter or
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about Bulldog nationalism in general
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going back and forth over the last month
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I had a lot of people being getting very
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angry and getting sarcastic and saying
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this and that and I perhaps am as guilty
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of this as everybody I'll be making fun
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out of people but this is really just
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like a real genuine question like I I
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don't understand I don't understand how
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how people think that Churchill started
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the Second World War you know what I
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mean I'm confused here guys I really am
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and because as far as I understand it
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and I'm the first person to admit that
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my knowledge of the Second World War is
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not perfect but as far as I understand
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it Churchill was not prime minister at
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the time that we declared war on Germany
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that was Neville Chamberlain so how
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exactly did he start that war the war
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started when Hitler invaded Poland okay
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so so you're you're arguing that
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Churchill somehow made Hitler invade
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Poland is that the argument oh I read
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that understand I mean I think what's
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happening here is that people are saying
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that the Jews started the Second World
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War and Churchill was friends with the
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Jews therefore Churchill started the
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Second World War which I don't really
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think makes sense that's all because
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anybody that's involved with polity
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would be friends with the Jews Hitler
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himself was friends with the Jews Hitler
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himself was a Zionist who helped move
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Jews from Germany to Palestine so you
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know I don't understand how just is it
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just like a fault by association thing
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is that how Churchill started the war
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people are saying that Churchill was a
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war monger and he wanted a crush Germany
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and this and that
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well perhaps Churchill was just pointing
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out the fact that Hitler had written a
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book saying that he wanted to conquer
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Eastern Europe and he was pointing out
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the fact that this guy's a problem and
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this is gonna start war and we need to
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do something about it perhaps that was
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what was going on I mean I could point
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out to you the the situation with Iran
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everybody knows that the Jewish people
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have been trying to start a war with
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Iran for at least the last twenty years
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probably thirty years perhaps even
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longer but that war hasn't happened yet
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because Iran hasn't done anything stupid
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like invade Iraq or anything like that
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so there's a bit of a tit for tat on the
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border there's a bit of back and forth
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people get assassinated and so and so
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forth and but there's not been a war in
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the same way before Hitler invaded
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Poland I think there was an incident on
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the border yeah there was an incident on
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the board a was called the light wits
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Gleiwitz incidents and wikipedia says it
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was a false flag and that the Germans
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were pretending that the Polish attacked
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Germany I don't believe it's a false
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flag all I mean I'm sure it was the
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Polish attacking Germany and blowing
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some stuff up but that doesn't
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necessarily mean that Hill has got
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turned round and flippin invade Poland
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you know what I mean that's like a
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border skirmish those kinds of things
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happen between countries all the time
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there's been a border skirmish going on
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between
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Pakistan and India for a long time and
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in fact Pakistan and China patent India
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and China have been having the old
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skirmishes and backs enforcement and
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border disagreements for a long time it
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never turned into all-out war so I mean
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if Poland blew up some stuff on the
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German border Germany could have just
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launched some rockets in the in the
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Poland or whatever they can have rockets
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at that time but you know what I mean
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and there's no need for a full-on
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invasion so and even if you know even if
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it is true even if you could twist
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things around and say that Poland
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declared war on Germany um does that
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mean that Winston Churchill started the
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war or does that mean that Poland
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started the war your honor mean was
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Winston Churchill the guy that broke
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with the peace deal with Poland because
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I don't think he was I mean if anything
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that would be um Neville Chamberlain was
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in it I mean I just looked it up Anglo
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Polish military alliance 31st of March
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1939 in response to Nazi Germany's
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defiance of the Munich Agreement and
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occupational Czechoslovakia the United
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Kingdom pledged the support of itself in
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France for sure Polish independence so
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is that Winston Churchill's fault right
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is that his fault I don't know I I just
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don't see it did you know and I mean so
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how can I say this you could argue that
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the Jews started the Second World War
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and you probably be right perhaps or you
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could at least argue that they organize
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things so that a war was likely to
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happen in the same way that they're
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trying to organize things so that a war
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could would be likely to happen with
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Iran um but that doesn't mean that
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Church will started it right I mean do
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you think that Winston Churchill was
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just sitting here in England and he was
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saying you know what I really really
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flipping hate those Germans and
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start war with them I wanna I want to
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start war with Germany on a smash
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Germany that's what I want to do and
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then he picks up the phone and he phones
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up his Rothschild mate it's like Oh
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Rothschild buddy yeah
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I want to start war Germany fucking hate
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that Hitler guy don't like him let's get
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a war side right can you do this that
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and the other so you can organize this
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so we can start war is that what
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Churchill was doing is because I don't
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see it but anyway this is a genuine
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question I'm a little bit confused maybe
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somebody could sergers clarify this for
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me so there you go that's my question
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that's my challenge to the Internet the
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challenge has also been issued on
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Twitter I'm waiting for people to
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respond the challenge goes out to spend
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Longshanks Dennis Wise Horace
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Millennials
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unwashed and all everybody the entire
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Internet please explain to me exactly
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how Churchill started the Second World
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War
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because I'm confused yeah I'm confused
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here everybody's telling me a Brutus why
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you saying Churchill did nothing wrong
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Churchill was a more a war monger well I
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believe in habeas corpus proved to me
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that he's guilty prove it to me because
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by the way I can prove quite easily that
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Germany started the war by invading
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Poland so if you want to overcome that
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you have to give me some really kind of
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solid evidence here not just like son oh
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you know do some more read some more
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books you moron or oh I've got this
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secret special knowledge which tells me
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that Churchill started World War two or
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everybody else says it's true so it must
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be true
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everybody else in my internet echo
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chamber says it's true so it must be
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true no don't write seriously just
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explain to me how we started the war in
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a really simple way so that I could
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explain it to the British public because
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I don't think the British public get it
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either so there you go guys thank you
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very much for listening have a lovely
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day

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[Music]
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goodbye my friends
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so let's continue this this discussion
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that we're having in case you didn't
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know already I'm sure you did but in
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case you didn't know I assured a
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challenge to the entire internet
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yesterday I basically said challenge to
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everyone can somebody please explain to
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me exactly how Churchill started World
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War two the challenge has been issued on
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Twitter and on YouTube and to the
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answers are coming in and if you've if
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you've given me an answer you waiting
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for a reply please be patient I'm making
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a video every day we're going to get
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through this but it's gonna be a slog
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and some people have already replied and
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says Oh
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Brewis it's obvious Churchill didn't
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invade Germany or didn't declare war on
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Germany that was Neville Chamberlain
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well some people don't even seem to know
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that I'm not gonna name names here but I
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mean some people think that it was
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Churchill that declared war on Germany
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so there is a certain lack of education
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in our movement and some people think
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that I'm just trolling or just having a
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bit of a laugh and asking stupid
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questions no I'm actually just really I
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really want to just get into this in a
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very step-by-step kind of manner in
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almost like a Socratic dialogue I just
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want to figure out it's not even just
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about did Churchill start the war I just
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want to pinpoint exactly why people hate
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him so much right and obviously I want
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to do that because I'm a bulldog
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nationalist now and I'm running off the
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premise that's we are never going to
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seize power in this country and we are
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never going to keep the foreigners out
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in this country if we hate Winston
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Churchill because they're never going to
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vote for us so I need to find out why
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people hate Winston Churchill
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so anyway I'm going to start with a
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response to a famous guy because why not
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it's a good kick baits unwashed replied
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he didn't even reply he just posted my
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tweet on his channel on his Twitter feed
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or whatever he said
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look at the incredible lack of momentum
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coming from this part of the movement
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with all the high-energy positivity that
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we've been riding off this bizarre Flex
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is just laughable at this point well I'm
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not really in your movement on wash
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because I have already been kicked out
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by millennial folks
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anyway no prior to that I say well hang
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on can you prove to me how he started
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the war it's a simple question and wash
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says no can you make a group called LBC
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then some other guy interject school
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black problematic Bob and he says if
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you're stumped by something as simple as
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this you can make as many calls to phone
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in shows as you like and we'll still end
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up nice one Bob
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nice one good man good solid English man
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their unwashed in reply says why why
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does the demographic trajectory
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trajectory can't speak of our country
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rely on the intricacies of World War two
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I don't see any evidence that you guys
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actually want anything to change so here
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we are here we get to the root of the
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problem here seems to me that unwashed
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who's a nice guy by the way I've had him
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on my show a nice guy apparently I was
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gonna go on his show I know that's still
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gonna happen but anyway unwashed doesn't
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seem to understand how history affects
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the future I mean I'm not making it up
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that's what he says why does the
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demographic trajectory of our country
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rely on the intricacies of World War two
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and this is a this is something which
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has just been really really annoying me
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because I get this comment all the
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flippin time in my comment sections well
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are you talking about World War two why
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are you digging this up why are you
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talking about history stop talking about
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history stop thinking Brutus stop
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thinking do something proactive do
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something act it well look okay here's
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the thing
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maybe you shouldn't even think of me as
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a political activist cuz I'm not I'm
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just a guy that makes videos on the
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internet that's all I am I am a
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philosopher
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there you go I'm a philosopher I'm a
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philosopher with white nationalist
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inclinations how about that
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yeah don't just can you please please
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stop telling me not to think about
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history I detest it please I mean this
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is my even it's not even just history
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like I've got people saying why are you
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talking about copyright why are you
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talking about the gay question why are
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you talking about this that and the
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other my channel and my group and and
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and the live streams that I do have
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always always always been about
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exploring other different themes right I
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don't just talk about white nationalists
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subject matters I thought it was me to a
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certain extent because I already know
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the conclusion the conclusion is we kick
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them all out right it's a puzzle that's
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been solved intellectually for me you
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know I'm not the only one that says this
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by the way I've seen remember millennia
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was saying he got bored with talking
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about Pakistan rape gangs I sympathize
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it's what I mean how many times can you
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over the same subject matter and you
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know how many times I don't even watch
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most of the OLT rights or dissident
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right videos that come out because it's
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just the same boilerplate commentary
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over and over again you take your news
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article and you say x y&z about it and
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and give you all your white nationalist
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commentary on that news article and boom
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hey presto there you go it's boring for
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me if it interests you and it inspires
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you that's fine for me it's boring okay
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I'm not trying to be an asshole here I'm
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just it's just boring because I already
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know the conclusion and that there are
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other things out there in this world
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there are a lot of questions which I
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don't have the answers to so I'm just
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trying to I just talk about stuff for my
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channel that's what I do and and I just
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yeah I don't know I hate it when people
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tell me to stop thinking it's just very
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very frustrating for me so please don't
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do that
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but let's address what he's saying here
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why does the demographic trajectory of
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our country rely on the intricacies of
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World War two right this is basic
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politics this has to be answered I'm
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gonna get a quotation for you hang on a
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second
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here we go who controls the past
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controls the future who controls the
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present controls the past right we all
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know the quote it's just sometimes I
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muddle it up and you can always
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paraphrase it but anyway it's from
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George Orwell's 1984 basically if you
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control history right your
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interpretation of history will guide the
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future forwards that's what the
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establishment is doing what's their
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interpretation of history their
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interpretation of history is that
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Winston Churchill fought the Second
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World War to defend multiculturalism and
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gay sex that's a lie and that line needs
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to be broken head on instead of just
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ignoring it
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or instead of just you know skulking
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around on the internet and saying oh I
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wish out of Hitler won the war no you
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tack it head on and you say no that's
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not what the war was fought for so
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that's what I'm doing and this is just
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basic basic politics guys and we all
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know that the establishment is rewriting
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our history we've all seen the BBC
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putting all these black actors in
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Victorian costume dramas when we when we
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know that there is no such thing at that
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time in London we didn't have
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multiculturalism in London but they're
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trying to pretend that it's a whitewash
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so they're rewriting our history they
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were raising our history to make it seem
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as if England has always been
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multicultural and that's a lie so who
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controls the past controls the future
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basic right philosophical concept and I
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think I'm what's really going on here is
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that probably unwashed understands this
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but what's really going on here is the
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unwashed just doesn't like my version of
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history because it's you know I keep
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getting people saying why are you
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talking about world war two can you stop
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talking about it well hang on a minute
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nobody complains when Dennis Wise talks
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about it nobody complains when Horace
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talks about it no that's a
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whoa round of applause I love your video
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mate oh it's fantastic you know
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but when Brutus makes a video about
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World War 2 all of a sudden it's oh can
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you stop talking about history why you
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took my history get into the griping man
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what did he do something while you're
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just hiding behind you computer come on
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guys right it's okay to disagree with my
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historical opinion but just say it don't
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don't give me this I'm so sick of
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hearing this answer of stop
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thinking and stop talking about history
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okay so there you go there's my video
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for the day hope you're having a lovely
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day and and I should say at the end
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I'm not against the grouping thing I'm
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all in favor of it I just think in this
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movement there are two types of people
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you have the ideology guys that like to
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chew out that like to read books and
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chew over history and and talk about
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concepts and things like that and then
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you have the activist guys and there's
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always a lot of slight conflict between
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the two because you know the activists
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get frustrated with people that like sin
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think and the people that sin think they
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may be well actually I don't have any
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problem with the activists but maybe
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some of them look down at them I don't
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know but there are two types of people I
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think and I think the solution is you
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always have to follow your personal
10:24
inclination and in life in general you
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have to follow where your inspiration
10:30
takes you and you have to follow your
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own nature so my nature is just to talk
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about stuff maybe there are other people
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out there that are just like yeah I got
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to get on the streets and do something
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good for you buddy fully 100% support
10:46
you but don't don't give me a hard time
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for following my own inspiration right
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because at the end of the day we all we
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all have our own roles to play in this
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movement and if I if I try to get
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involved
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activism I would be very good at it
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because my heart isn't in it
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my heart is in reading books and talking
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about history and stuff like that so
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there you go thank you very much for
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listening have a lovely day

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[Music]
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hello my friends hello I hope you are
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having a lovely day I hope you're
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enjoying our new communist coronavirus
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police state let's continue with the
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discussion that we're having as you know
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I issued a challenge to the Internet's a
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couple of days ago and I said what I say
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can you explain to me how Winston
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Churchill started the Second World War
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and I'm going through the answers it
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seems to me most people have already
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figured out that Winston Churchill did
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not declare war on Germany that was
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actually Neville Chamberlain so we've
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crossed that barrier but I want to oh
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I'm going through the answers and we're
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gonna get down to business and today I
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want to address an answer from secret
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sources it's a little bit messy because
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she jumped in to the middle of another
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conversation I was having with another
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person but anyway she says Churchill
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prolonged World War two unnecessarily
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thousands and thousands of lives on both
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sides lost when it could have been
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avoided he was a drunk and a coward
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Coventry London bombing I don't know
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what that means
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but history is always written by the
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victors isn't it that's just slander
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drunken a coward you know and he
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prolonged the war unnecessarily well he
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didn't start it you know what I mean
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anyway and I in reply to this I say that
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doesn't mean he started the war though
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does it
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in reply to this she says to understand
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that Brutus you have to look at events
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pre-world War one and things like the
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Treaty of Versailles one thing didn't
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start world war ii it was accumulation
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of several things
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however treating churchill as a hero is
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delusional in response I said Churchill
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didn't organize the Treaty of Versailles
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and secret sources says I didn't say
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that he did well you know
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this is actually something which a lot
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of people have been saying I'm pretty
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sure this is what's horace says in his
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video which i haven't got a watch and
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i'm gonna do a proper response to I'm
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also gonna respond to cement language
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when Longshanks I'm just dealing with
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the low-hanging fruit first I'm gonna
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get to you guys but a lot of people seem
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to be saying that's the second world war
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started because of the Treaty of
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Versailles the Treaty of Versailles was
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of course very unfair and it led to why
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MA
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why my Germany and a lot of frustration
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of course Germany got stabbed in the
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back by the Jews during the first world
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war and so a lot of anger and
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frustration there and in that kind of
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cauldron of Angra anger that is how
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hitler manifested and obviously he fixed
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the country he raised that i put it back
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on its feet and there was an economic
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miracle and he kind of saved the country
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so he reversed everything so so it's
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fair to say that the Second World War in
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many ways happened because of the Treaty
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of Versailles or it manifested from the
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Treaty of Versailles but Winston
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Churchill didn't have anything to do
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with that did he wait he didn't do the
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Treaty of Versailles and what I'm trying
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to get at here the question that I'm
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really trying to drive out here is why
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do people hate Winston Churchill we've
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already established that Winston
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Churchill didn't start the war right he
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didn't declare war on Germany that was
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Neville Chamberlain so why do we hate
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him why didn't ash lists constantly go
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on and on and say he's a war monger he's
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a war monger and by the way that mean
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there's a little bit of cognitive
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dissonance going on here you know people
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say that I'm strong Manning I'm creating
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a straw man argument by saying that
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nationalist blame Winston Churchill
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before the war I don't know how it's a
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straw man when in all of the comment
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sections and all my videos I've got
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people screaming at me saying that
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Churchill's a monster he's a monster
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he's a war monger he's a drunk
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I hate Winston Churchill I hate him he's
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to blame for everything well why why is
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he to blame for everything this is a
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really really basic straightforward
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question guys
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why is he to blame for everything he
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didn't organize the Treaty of Versailles
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and he didn't declare war on Germany
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right
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why is he to blame for everything I'm
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not sure I actually watched a little
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short little video about the Treaty of
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Versailles it was signed on June 28th by
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David Lloyd George would work with
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Woodrow Wilson and George Clemens so
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these were the big three they were
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involved anyway apparently there were
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like 30 selling countries that were
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involved but these were the big three
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David Lloyd George was our Liberal prime
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minister he's actually responsible for
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giving away Ireland so he's a lefty so
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you know if you want to blame him I'm
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all for that
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you know let's put a little bit of blame
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on David Lloyd George would world real
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s'en created the fed as far as I
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remember off the top of my head the
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Federal Reserve in America 1913 so he's
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an idiot and this George Clinton sale
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I've never heard of before he's French
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so why can't we blame this thing on him
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because apparently he's the one that was
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really really pushing for Germany to be
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smashed like to have really heavy
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reparations placed upon it because
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obviously you know France suffered a lot
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France was the country that was invaded
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France was the country where the war was
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going on so they they really wanted some
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revenge so why not blame this French guy
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why don't we hate this French dude why
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does everybody hate some Winston
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Churchill so much I don't know anyway
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the UM I've started my own little
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artistic I'm creating a little autistic
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world war two timeline and we're gonna
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get to the bottom of this but anyway I
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don't know
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you know I'm asking a question about why
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you hate Winston Churchill and I get an
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answer of the Treaty of Versailles does
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it make sense anyway later on she says
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cognitive dissonance I want to be
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sympathetic to people who haven't
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researched these issues I'll thank you
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that's so kind of you
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however when someone is presented with
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truth and fact and still refuses to
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acknowledge it then I have no sympathy
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whatsoever what truth and fact
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have you presented to me I've asked you
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a really straight full question why do
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you hate Winston Churchill and all you
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go is blah blah blah Treaty of
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Versailles it's not an answer and then I
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say what is the truth why do you hate
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Churchill when you know he didn't start
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the war and then she says Brutus why
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don't you spend your lockdown time
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researching what has been written in
07:22
this thread instead of sniping and
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stirring the pot it's okay to admit that
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you are wrong about World War two I've
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done it I've been wrong but I've
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educated myself myself watch Horace his
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videos Wow you know what this reminds me
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of something it reminds me of an
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experience I had a few years ago about
07:44
ten years ago I think I was in London
07:47
walking around and I was gonna go I
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think I was walking through Piccadilly
07:53
Circus and on this cinema at that time
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they had that movie about Julie and
07:58
Asajj and there was they were they must
08:02
have been social justice warriors but I
08:03
didn't know what that was at that time
08:05
but anyway I was walking past this girl
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approaches mean she she gives me this
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flyer and she says don't watch the Julia
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massage movie and I said to her why not
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and she says just don't watch it and I'm
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like what the but why not you just
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give me this flier telling me I don't
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watch this movie like what why can't I
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watch it what's wrong with it
08:27
and all of a sudden I'm surrounded by
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three or four of these idiots
08:30
like getting in my face like saying
08:32
don't watch it just read the flyer right
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and there's website you can link on that
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and they'll tell you all about it but
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just don't watch the movie I don't think
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I'm like what
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is going on here you're just
08:44
telling me what to think
08:45
give me a reason give me it just like
08:49
one reason not to watch the movie but of
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course they don't worry because they're
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left wingers and they're brainwashed and
08:54
they're just like they have this
08:56
authoritarian attitude and they just say
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look listen to me I have access to the
09:03
knowledge and you must obey this is
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exactly what secret sources is doing
09:08
here I'm asking a really straightforward
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question here why do you hate Churchill
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why do you hate him and what it was the
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response of I get do your research read
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a book alright why haven't you studied
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it this is dumb right I'm sorry
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but this is really dumb you are not
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gonna get away of doing this through the
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British public you're not gonna get away
09:36
with it somebody comes up to you on the
09:38
street and they say why do you guys hate
09:40
Winston Churchill so much what are you
09:42
gonna say to them like I mean a lot of
09:45
people are saying all Brutus you punch
09:46
in right you an asshole
09:47
this is a basic question what are you
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going to say to people when they ask you
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why do you hate Churchill are you gonna
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say to the ordinary man in the street oh
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you got read this book you got you guys
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I've got access to secret knowledge I've
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done the research I am an authority and
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you have to accept my conclusions that
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no I don't know I don't may write here
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but it'll put it this way if you want to
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sell something to somebody right you
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have to anybody that tries to sell
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anything you have to have a sales pitch
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and you have to be able to present your
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idea in about in a paragraph in a minute
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you don't mean so if you ask me why did
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the Second World War star I'm gonna say
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Hitler invaded Poland boom
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three words right that's my pitch what's
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your response
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what's your flippin response you know oh
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oh the Treaty of Versailles and you
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can't read this book
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you got watch Horace his video this is
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this is low IQ nonsense
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anyway that's ten minutes yeah I'll put
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them to it now I'm gonna update the
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question the question the challenge to
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the internet now is why do you hate
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Winston Churchill please try to give me
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a straightforward answer don't give me
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any of this of you have to read
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this book bla bla bla
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no just give me a answer in a
11:30
paragraph not this greater than thou
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I mean think about it secret
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sources honey
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I mean who leave like you you were
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involved in a Tommy Robinson cult for I
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don't know how many years I ain't goin
11:45
to me to me to me to me and then he
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watched one documentary and a couple of
11:50
videos and now you think you got all the
11:53
answers to everything and you can
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lecture people and say oh you're just
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incidents here you haven't done the
11:59
research do you think I haven't watched
12:01
or read or seeing the things that you've
12:03
seen anyway they go guys
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thank you very much for listening and
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everybody have a nice day
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Re: YouTuber challenges everyone on how Churchill started WW2

Postby Hektor » 1 week 6 days ago (Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:32 am)

This is kind of a strawman argument being used here.

Winston Churchill wasn't in office on 3.9.1939. Neville Chamberlain was prime minister then. So technically Winston Churchill didn't start WW2. The Churchill clique did however still have influence then. But this is somewhat a different debate.

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Re: YouTuber challenges everyone on how Churchill started WW2

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 6 days ago (Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:37 am)

Hektor wrote:This is kind of a strawman argument being used here.

Winston Churchill wasn't in office on 3.9.1939. Neville Chamberlain was prime minister then. So technically Winston Churchill didn't start WW2. The Churchill clique did however still have influence then. But this is some what a different debate.

There are a lot of fake Churchill quotes going around unfortunately, where he is demanding war with Germany.

What do we know? Churchill became PM after the Narvik debacle and ignored Hitler's various peace proposals. I intend to make a thread about the topic on whether/why Churchill wanted war with Germany. It's one of a few I intend to make, I'm just drawing up notes first. Unlike many others, this COVID situation has made my work-life more hectic and time consuming...
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Re: YouTuber challenges everyone on how Churchill started WW2

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 week 6 days ago (Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:55 am)

This seems pretty desperate.

It is all common knowledge that Churchill's faction was always the warmongering lobby in Britain. Churchills illegal collusion with the US to arrest Tyler Kent and prevent peace, BEFORE he was Prime Minister by the way.

Churchill was also outragde that the Germans wouldn't bomb London to bring the US into war as recorded by Charles De Gaulle:

Charles De Gaullt was at Chequers. It was August 1949. Churchill was waiting for the German air attack, and, De Gaulle later recalled, he was finding the wait hard to bear. He raised both fists to the sky. "So they don't come!" he said.
"Are you in such a hurry," De Gaulle replied, "to see your towns smashed to bits?" "You see," Churchill said, "the bombing of Oxford, Coventry, Canterbury, will cause such a wave of indignation in the United States that they'll come into the war!"

Source: Nicholson Baker, Human Smoke (this was on the epub, I do not have a page number)


This all seems to be a ploy by this guy, and a bunch of "Spirefire" Nationalists who are misguided into thinking that praising Churchill and British conduct during WW2 is akin to healthy Nationalism, and not just blatant Ethnic Chauvinism against Germans who had every right to the demands they made prior and during that war. They want to like Churchill because he's propped up as a British hero, when in reality he's just a hero for the left and the conservatives that has no and should have no appealing qualities to any Nationalist whatsoever. Churchill is the idol of the enemies of Nationalism, even though Churchill might have considered himself a genuine Nationalist. He still acted appallingly, and these people who have such a strong desire to identify with him do so blindly. Simply because he was "British" (part Jew and half American) and will accept any number of established lies to justify that type of Nationalism.

I would say this. Churchill is as much responsible for WW2 because he had no intentions of ceasing the conflict if he could do so when he did come to power and because his lobby prior to the war was utterly in favour of war with Germany. His intentions were ALWAYS far from pure, this cannot be denied.

The fact that this Youtube guy has taken a merely British Nationalist (misguided) position against German interests that were just and friendly towards Britain is the sign of a man who cannot be reasoned with. Because who started the war is basically just the WRONG question to ask. The true question is WAS WAR Justified? If you're a Briton in the late 1930s then you're for peace, if you're in the Churchillian cult then you're for war because of how a stronger Germany threatens you and the British stake in resources within Europe. There is no right answer because the perspective which determines your answer wholly depends on which country you're loyal to the most. If it's Britain you'll pick her, like these Nationalists have, regardless of her justification or aims. What the British leaders said they blindly follow. I choose Germany because Germany was undoubtedly morally justified to do what she did even if it was at the expense of Britain. And none of what Hitler wanted was ever at the expense of Britain anyway. The idea that this certain strand of British Nationalist can have it both ways, where they're "morally" correct no matter what Britain does is just a fantasy. Pure and simple.
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