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Theft of intellectual property and patents by the allies; Third Reich technological advancement

Postby Lamprecht » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:31 am)

It is often claimed the 3rd Reich was a totalitarian and oppressive regime that stifled all technologically innovation in order to oppress Jews and other ethnic minorities. In fact, I recently came across someone who stated that in just over a decade of power, the Nazis basically invented nothing of value and had no significant technological advances. It was of course largely blamed on the lack of "Jewish genius" due to Hitler's alleged "paranoia" :roll:

So I did some reasearch and found these links, and figured we should have a thread detailing technological achievements during the Third Reich, and the theft of this intellectual property by the Allies.

It is a fact that countless technological developments by the Germans were stolen after WWII by the victorious Allies. Some articles I have cited claim that there were hundreds of thousands of patents stolen at the end of WWII. The V2's rocket technology was used by the USA to go to the moon. Without Werner von Braun, the Americans possibly wouldn't have been able to achieve what they did in the space race. And let's not forget about Volkswagen, Porsche and the Autobahn, or the many architectural achievements of the Third Reich.

The Z3 is widely acknowledged as being the first fully functional automatic digital computer, and Konrad Zuse is acclaimed by computer scientists as being the most admired and respected computer pioneer. Infra-red/night vision technologies and also CCTV (video surveillance) were invented under the Third Reich. The hull of the first nuclear submarine, the Nautilus, was based on the Walter hull developed by the Germans for the elektroboots. It seems that they invented 3D films as well.

These are just some of many examples, there is a lot more information in the article links below:


The Great Patents Heist
From: The Barnes Review, March/April 1999, pp. 27-33.
https://archive.is/mfQ4X

Theft of German Scientific Research Fuelled Post-War Technology Boom
By: Daniel W. Michaels
https://archive.is/5NYjF#selection-2082.3-2074.3

Reparations - Payback: The Theft of German Intellectual Property
by: Claus Nordbruch / Translated by Dagmar Brenn
https://archive.is/FRUPX or https://archive.is/0DQEx

Science and technology in Nazi Germany
https://archive.is/Csqjv
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Re: Theft of intellectual property and patents by the allies; Third Reich technological advancement

Postby HMSendeavour » 5 months 5 days ago (Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:10 am)

Lamprecht wrote:It is often claimed the 3rd Reich was a totalitarian and oppressive regime that stifled all technologically innovation in order to oppress Jews and other ethnic minorities. In fact, I recently came across someone who stated that in just over a decade of power, the Nazis basically invented nothing of value and had no significant technological advances. It was of course largely blamed on the lack of "Jewish genius" due to Hitler's alleged "paranoia" :roll:

So I did some reasearch and found these links, and figured we should have a thread detailing technological achievements during the Third Reich, and the theft of this intellectual property by the Allies.

It is a fact that countless technological developments by the Germans were stolen after WWII by the victorious Allies. Some articles I have cited claim that there were hundreds of thousands of patents stolen at the end of WWII. The V2's rocket technology was used by the USA to go to the moon. Without Werner von Braun, the Americans possibly wouldn't have been able to achieve what they did in the space race. And let's not forget about Volkswagen, Porsche and the Autobahn, or the many architectural achievements of the Third Reich.

The Z3 is widely acknowledged as being the first fully functional automatic digital computer, and Konrad Zuse is acclaimed by computer scientists as being the most admired and respected computer pioneer. Infra-red/night vision technologies and also CCTV (video surveillance) were invented under the Third Reich. The hull of the first nuclear submarine, the Nautilus, was based on the Walter hull developed by the Germans for the elektroboots. It seems that they invented 3D films as well.

These are just some of many examples, there is a lot more information in the article links below:


The Great Patents Heist
From: The Barnes Review, March/April 1999, pp. 27-33.
https://archive.is/mfQ4X

Theft of German Scientific Research Fuelled Post-War Technology Boom
By: Daniel W. Michaels
https://archive.is/5NYjF#selection-2082.3-2074.3

Reparations - Payback: The Theft of German Intellectual Property
by: Claus Nordbruch / Translated by Dagmar Brenn
https://archive.is/FRUPX or https://archive.is/0DQEx

Science and technology in Nazi Germany
https://archive.is/Csqjv


I'm very interested in reading these. But the archive.is links don't work, could you perhaps post archive.org links as well?
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Re: Theft of intellectual property and patents by the allies; Third Reich technological advancement

Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 4 days ago (Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:55 am)

They all seem to work for me. Maybe the archive.is domain was down? I've had that happen before.

Replace archive.is with archive.fo
or archive.li
They should definitely work
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Re: Theft of intellectual property and patents by the allies; Third Reich technological advancement

Postby HMSendeavour » 4 months 1 week ago (Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:13 pm)

There's a book that was released as recently as June called "Taking Nazi Technology" which as far as I know is the only book to cover this topic. You can download the book here https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=D03492B8CED3C9526A9FC226D0096218

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Here's the books description.

During the Second World War, German science and technology posed a terrifying threat to the Allied nations. Combined with Germany's generations-old reputation for excellence in science and engineering, these advanced weapons, which included rockets, V-2 missiles, tanks, submarines, and jet airplanes, gave troubling credence to Nazi propaganda about forthcoming "wonder-weapons" that would turn the war decisively in the Axis' favor. After the war ended, the Allied powers raced to seize "intellectual reparations" from almost every field of industrial technology and academic science in occupied Germany. It was likely the largest-scale technology transfer in history.

In Taking Nazi Technology, Douglas M. O'Reagan describes how the Western Allies gathered teams of experts to scour defeated Germany, seeking industrial secrets and the technical personnel who could explain them. Swarms of investigators recruited from industry, military branches, and intelligence agencies invaded Germany's factories and research institutions. They seized or copied all kinds of documents, from patent applications to factory production data to science journals. They questioned, hired, and sometimes even kidnapped hundreds of scientists, engineers, and other technical personnel. They studied technologies from aeronautics to audiotapes, toy making to machine tools, chemicals to carpentry equipment. They took over academic libraries, jealousy competed over chemists, and schemed to deny the fruits of German invention to any other land-including that of their allies.

Drawing on declassified records, O'Reagan looks at which techniques worked for these very different nations, as well as which failed-and why. Most importantly, he shows why securing this technology, how the Allies did and when they did, still matters today. He also argues that these programs did far more than spread German industrial science: they forced businessmen and policymakers around the world to rethink how science and technology fit into diplomacy, business, and society itself. A deeply researched comparative history of the American, British, French, and Soviet efforts to control and exploit German science and technology amid fierce internal and external competition, Taking Nazi Technology is the first history to capture the whole picture of this crucial period at the dawn of the Cold War.


Here's some extracts from the books conclusion.

As I have attempted to show in this book, there was far more to Allied intellectual reparations efforts than a few “Nazi scientists” being hired for rocket research. The idea that it was worth investing time, effort, and political and diplomatic capital to acquire German science and technology appealed to each of the major Allied powers (and many other nations not discussed in this book but which took part as well), despite their enormous differences. It appealed to military leaders, politicians, and civilian bureaucrats covering a wide range of governmental departments in each nation. It appealed to businessmen and representatives of trade groups across industries as diverse as chemicals, wood pulping, fishing, toy making, audio recording, synthetic rubber, metallurgy, automobiles, prefabricated housing, aeronautics, textiles, kiln manufacturing, scientific equipment, and machine tools. Even ignoring other programs, FIAT alone published almost fourteen hundred reports on specific industries and technologies by the end of 1947, and that does not take into
account the many investigative groups that reportedly never submitted final reports in their fields. Thousands of German scientists, engineers, and skilled workers found new employment (whether voluntarily or not) in service of the conquering powers. The entire world of German patent filing, contents of scientific libraries, and records of firms’ industrial research were available for international competition to search. The scale and ambition of these programs are worth emphasizing, even if the amount of science and technology they truly transferred to the Allied nations seems to be much less than planners had hoped (or opponents feared). Despite (or perhaps in some small part because) of these investigations, West
German industry thrived in the 1950s, in the famous “economic miracle” (Wirtschaftswunder). This book is not a history of German economic history, nor even one focused on the entirety of postwar reparations politics, but there seems to be little evidence that at least the Western Allies’ programs significantly hurt West Germany.

Anyone who wants to argue that the intellectual reparations were an enormous gain for the United States, for example, can find plenty of evidence to support that claim. In some industries, there very clearly were substantial, important gains. This is especially the case in military technologies such as jet engines, submarines, and especially rocketry. Magnetic tape for audio recording crossed from Germany to America through FIAT investigations. Many companies expressed wholehearted enthusiasm for the information they gained while investigating Germany, and their claims must be taken just as seriously as the detractors. Among the many glowing reports in the archives of TIIC, FIAT, BIOS, and other investigative agencies are reports like one that states, “one report alone saved him $140,000,” or Goodyear reporting that another “would save them at least $20,000 in research.” A journalist for the Daily Express estimated the value for the United Kingdom at £100,000,000 as early as October 1945, though he admitted that estimations varied so wildly that he could as easily guess £1,000,000,000 without anyone being able to disprove it.

National Assessments

Despite what American and British intelligence agencies perceived, France likely came out ahead. To these erstwhile allies, French policy was underhanded, duplicitous, and manipulative, trying to undermine German science so that they could have their agents “steal” the best Germans from other occupation zones. Some of that likely happened, and France certainly did bring hundreds of V-2-related technicians into temporary camps and laboratories to help the French military acquire a basis in that technology. In general, though, the team that was sponsored by the Centre national de la recherche scientifique (and coordinated with other departments) focused instead on what they saw as the practical, feasible approach: long-term integration between French and German research establishments.


I would certainly like to see more books on the topic of National Socialist achievements which go into more detail leaving out the same old attachments to the canards we're familiar with. But I think the Third Reich can no longer be abused as a state that was certainly militarily capable of taking on multiple great powers, but paradoxically achieved and invented nothing of great worth in those short 12 years. The people of our age and even older since the wars end must be some of the worst sufferers of cognitive dissonance in the world.
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Re: Theft of intellectual property and patents by the allies; Third Reich technological advancement

Postby Lamprecht » 4 months 1 week ago (Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:22 pm)

Good find HMSendeavour, seems the book is only 2 months old. Here's a mirror:

Taking Nazi Technology: Allied Exploitation of German Science after the Second World War
Text: https://archive.is/6d6gS or http://web.archive.org/web/201908022210 ... g/IKOLkUf6
Google Books: https://books.google.com/books?id=2YaMDwAAQBAJ


Seems as though this theft of technology was looked at a form of "reparations" and, in the eyes of the "Allies" paid the cost of their occupation.

Lucius Clay, the governor of the US zone of occupation, argued to the Quadripartite Coordinating Committee in December 1945 that “scientific knowledge, patents, technical processes, and general ‘know-how’ constitute a large part of Germany’s economic potential and are properly included in the category of reparations... This category [of know-how] ... is important to each of the Allied Powers, but its intrinsic value is indeterminate since it depends upon the extent of parallel knowledge existing within the confines of the respective home government.”

One set of British planners initially saw report writing as a useful scheme because, as they heard from industry: “In this way the German manufacturing process and the ‘know-how’ surrounding it become an invisible German export, payment being made to the Treasury which credits the sum to Germany’s account offsetting the costs of occupation.”



Some good reads:

List of German inventors and discoverers
https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_G ... iscoverers

A Sampling of German Inventors and Inventions
https://archive.is/4sd9n

German inventors—"Made in Germany"
https://archive.is/4sd9n (use google translate)
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Re: Theft of intellectual property and patents by the allies; Third Reich technological advancement

Postby Lamprecht » 1 month 4 weeks ago (Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:49 pm)

More on this topic. The Americans took not only patents, but also various German intellectuals/scientist. They also took currency, precious metals, art, and other valuables.
Americans were not far behind their communist counterparts and what was not want only destroyed, was pilfered as “souvenirs.”

“We ‘liberated’ German property,” winked one GI. “The Russians simply stole it.”

Unlike its primitive Soviet ally, the United States had no need for German plants and factories. Nevertheless, and as Ralph Franklin Keeling points out, the Americans were far and away the “most zealous”at destroying the Reich’s ability to recover. Continues the historian:

Although America went about the business of dismantling and dynamiting German plants with more fervor than was at first exhibited in any other zone, our motive was quite different from the motives of our allies. Russia is anxious to get as much loot as possible from Germany and yet to make it produce abundantly for Russia to help make her new five year plan successful, and ultimately to absorb the Reich into the Soviet Union. France is ravenous for loot, has been anxious to destroy Germany forever and to annex as much of her territory as possible. Britain has found uses for large amounts of German booty, wants to get rid of Germany as a trade competitor, while retaining her market for British goods. The United States has no use for German plant and equipment as booty....[but wants] to eliminate German competition in world trade. We are willing to permit the German people to subsist on their own little plot of land, if they can, but we are determined that they never again shall engage in foreign commerce on an important scale.16

While the US may have spurned German plants and factories, not so the Reich’s hoard of treasure. Billions of dollars in gold, silver and currency, as well as priceless paintings, sculptures and other art works were plucked from their hiding places in caves, tunnels and salt mines and shipped across the Atlantic. Additionally, and of far greater damage to Germany’s future, was the “mental dismantling” of the Reich.Tons of secret documents revealing Germany’s tremendous organizational talent in business and industry were simply stolen, not only by the Americans, but by the French, English and British Commonwealth. Hundreds of the greatest scientists in the world were likewise “compelled” to immigrate by the victors. As one US Government agency quietly admitted, “Operation Paper-Clip” was the first time in history wherein conquerors had attempted to bleed dry the inventive power of an entire nation.17

“The real gain in reparations of this war,”Life magazine added, was not in factories, gold or artworks, but “in the German brains and in the German research results.”18
Goodrich, Thomas, Hellstorm: The Death of Nazi Germany 1944-1947, 2010, pp. 281-282. http://web.archive.org/web/201910120439 ... odrich.pdf
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