Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

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Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby aa1874 » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:24 am)

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The Pabst Plan (German: Neue deutsche Stadt Warschau, "New German city of Warsaw") was a Nazi German urban plan to reconstruct the city of Warsaw as a Nazi model city. Named after its creator Friedrich Pabst, the Nazis' "Chief Architect for Warsaw", the plan assumed that Warsaw, the historical capital of Poland and a city of 1.5 million inhabitants, would be completely destroyed and rebuilt as a small German town of not more than 130,000 inhabitants.

In modern historical works the term is used to denote any of the German World War II plans concerning the destruction and reconstruction of Warsaw. In particular the "Pabst Plan" refers to a plan prepared by Hubert Gross and Otto Nurnberger in 1940 and another plan, prepared by Pabst himself in 1942. Both plans envisioned the destruction of most of Warsaw with its historical monuments and residential areas. In its place a new model city was to be created as a seat for the German ruling class of the occupied Polish territories. It was to house a large Parteivolkshalle ("People's Party Hall") in place of the Royal Castle in Warsaw and serve as a major transportation hub.

After the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, the Germans decided to destroy the city in its entirety.


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Re: Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby Hannover » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:37 pm)

* Pure unsubstantiated nonsense.

* No authentic German documents confirm such a claim. Note that we see none.

* And if the Germans had wanted to destroy Warsaw they certainly would have. They occupied it for five years.

* You cite Zionist dominated Wikipedia, seriously? LOL
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Re: Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby aa1874 » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:44 pm)

Hannover wrote:* Pure unsubstantiated nonsense.

* No authentic German documents confirm such a claim. Note that we see none.

* And if the Germans had wanted to destroy Warsaw they certainly would have. They occupied it for five years.

* You cite Zionist dominated Wikipedia, seriously? LOL
It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for anything which Jews / Zionists have a special interest in promoting. It's rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
http://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-a ... =wikipedia
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well there are some external links there

alleged fragment of the plan (Well, you should be skeptical if this is originally a fragment...)

Article on Chronicles of Terror about this alleged plan

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Re: Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby Hannover » 7 months 3 weeks ago (Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:08 am)

I do not see any German documents, only Polish, and of course the always laughable communist "Commission" allegations, always without any proof. Such "documents' would never hold up in a legit court of law.

Recall the fake 'German atrocities' & 'holocaust' nonsense that these communist "commissions" came up with, i.e.:
'mass extermination of Jews & others via steam chambers in Poland', the immense Soviet atrocities at Katyn, Poland, which were blamed on the Germans, and the alleged execution of 34,000 Jews at Babi Yar, Ukraine where the alleged human remains do not exist, just to name a few of these "commission" claims.

Maybe you could tell me what you find compelling in what you posted & we'll go from there.

And again, German occupation for FIVE years and Warsaw was not destroyed.
Warsaw did receive substantial damage during the WWII uprising, but that is not what you are talking about.

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Re: Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby HMSendeavour » 7 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:15 pm)

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Re: Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby aa1874 » 6 months 3 weeks ago (Sat May 02, 2020 12:38 am)

Okay then, here's my explanation for the links:

aa1874 wrote:context:
The Pabst Plan (German: Neue deutsche Stadt Warschau, "New German city of Warsaw") was a Nazi German urban plan to reconstruct the city of Warsaw as a Nazi model city. Named after its creator Friedrich Pabst, the Nazis' "Chief Architect for Warsaw", the plan assumed that Warsaw, the historical capital of Poland and a city of 1.5 million inhabitants, would be completely destroyed and rebuilt as a small German town of not more than 130,000 inhabitants.

In modern historical works the term is used to denote any of the German World War II plans concerning the destruction and reconstruction of Warsaw. In particular the "Pabst Plan" refers to a plan prepared by Hubert Gross and Otto Nurnberger in 1940 and another plan, prepared by Pabst himself in 1942. Both plans envisioned the destruction of most of Warsaw with its historical monuments and residential areas. In its place a new model city was to be created as a seat for the German ruling class of the occupied Polish territories. It was to house a large Parteivolkshalle ("People's Party Hall") in place of the Royal Castle in Warsaw and serve as a major transportation hub.

After the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, the Germans decided to destroy the city in its entirety.



I believe that this is simply impossible and possibly just another sensationalist claim. Claims of Germans conspiring that Warsaw would have been destroyed and its traditions ought to be suppressed from history, imo, are meant to enforce the prime claim that "Germans believe that only they can rule in this world, the rest are just farm animals" (does this ring a bell???)

And Warsaw wasn't entirely destroyed after the Uprising right?

aa1874 wrote:
well there are some external links there

alleged fragment of the plan (Well, you should be skeptical if this is originally a fragment...)

Article on Chronicles of Terror about this alleged plan


Also, if this plan actually appeared then the German Federal Archives would have a copy of the plan, NOT some Polish "commitees"... WHICH I believe are just ruled by commies... And it would appear in the German white book of 1940...

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Re: Was it true? That Germans had already conspired to turn Warsaw into a "German city" long before the Warsaw Uprising?

Postby Mortimer » 3 weeks 2 days ago (Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:59 pm)

aa1874 wrote:Okay then, here's my explanation for the links:

aa1874 wrote:context:
The Pabst Plan (German: Neue deutsche Stadt Warschau, "New German city of Warsaw") was a Nazi German urban plan to reconstruct the city of Warsaw as a Nazi model city. Named after its creator Friedrich Pabst, the Nazis' "Chief Architect for Warsaw", the plan assumed that Warsaw, the historical capital of Poland and a city of 1.5 million inhabitants, would be completely destroyed and rebuilt as a small German town of not more than 130,000 inhabitants.

In modern historical works the term is used to denote any of the German World War II plans concerning the destruction and reconstruction of Warsaw. In particular the "Pabst Plan" refers to a plan prepared by Hubert Gross and Otto Nurnberger in 1940 and another plan, prepared by Pabst himself in 1942. Both plans envisioned the destruction of most of Warsaw with its historical monuments and residential areas. In its place a new model city was to be created as a seat for the German ruling class of the occupied Polish territories. It was to house a large Parteivolkshalle ("People's Party Hall") in place of the Royal Castle in Warsaw and serve as a major transportation hub.

After the 1944 Warsaw Uprising, the Germans decided to destroy the city in its entirety.



I believe that this is simply impossible and possibly just another sensationalist claim. Claims of Germans conspiring that Warsaw would have been destroyed and its traditions ought to be suppressed from history, imo, are meant to enforce the prime claim that "Germans believe that only they can rule in this world, the rest are just farm animals" (does this ring a bell???)

And Warsaw wasn't entirely destroyed after the Uprising right?

aa1874 wrote:
well there are some external links there

alleged fragment of the plan (Well, you should be skeptical if this is originally a fragment...)

Article on Chronicles of Terror about this alleged plan


Also, if this plan actually appeared then the German Federal Archives would have a copy of the plan, NOT some Polish "commitees"... WHICH I believe are just ruled by commies... And it would appear in the German white book of 1940...

I came across this book Warsaw Under German Rule - German Reconstruction and Development in the District of Warsaw. It was published in 1942 and the author is Ludwig Fischer. The Germans claimed that they were repairing war damage in the Polish capital so this work is in contrast to the claims of the Allied propagandists.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/script ... wgr00.html
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