76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

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76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby sfivdf21 » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:43 am)

Hello everyone, today is the 76th anniversary of the D-Day, in this forum all of us know who were the real heroes and who were the real villains of the WW2. But do the most American, British, French, Canadian and so one WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side and are proud of what they did 76 years ago? Or the most of them have realized that they were deceived to fought on the wrong side and against the wrong enemy (as the notorious American General George S. Patton already realized)?

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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:47 am)

Simple:

These veterans have been conditioned to believe they fought 'The Good War'.
They receive public praise, glorification, and taxpayer resources which reinforces the propaganda they were fed.
They love the attention.

For too many, being part of WWII is their defining moment in life, it's their 'fifteen minutes of fame' from which they unfortunately derive much of their self esteem and desire to be special.

Obviously, it provides a support system for the fake & impossible 'holocaust' mythology, and it provides further justification for even more wars.

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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby borjastick » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:31 pm)

Hannover wrote:Simple:

These veterans have been conditioned to believe they fought 'The Good War'.
They receive public praise, glorification, and taxpayer resources which reinforces the propaganda they were fed.
They love the attention.

For too many, being part of WWII is their defining moment in life, it's their 'fifteen minutes of fame' from which they unfortunately derive much of their self esteem and desire to be special.

Obviously, it provides a support system for the fake & impossible 'holocaust' mythology, and it provides further justification for even more wars.

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I assume you are talking only of US soldiers here Hannover.
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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:26 pm)

borjastick wrote:I assume you are talking only of US soldiers here Hannover.

No I'm not.
AFAIK, all former Allied soldiers get the same treatment & propaganda pounded in their heads 24/7.
Am I wrong?

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Postby Lamprecht » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:34 pm)

Depends how much their ideas changed. During this time period it would not be incorrect to call America (and perhaps Britain and France) as "White supremacist" or "anti-semitic". Some info on that here:

Were Americans more anti-Semitic than anti-German during WWII?
viewtopic.php?t=12464

Mostly they wouldn't be alive anymore. Most people alive today in these countries went through a psychological warfare / brainwashing campaign directed at them by the USSR. It is described more here:

The Ideological shift in the USA (and West) after WWII and why it happened + Yuri Bezmenov
viewtopic.php?t=13209
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:57 pm)

My Dad fought in WWII, is still alive (97 years old) dropped bombs as a copilot of a B17 over Germany, in 1944 but most missions in 1945. His memory is not great in many areas, but shocked me with his memory, when he told me his first cousin who died by being shot down in a B29 between Japan and Saipan during WWII, was "a navigator." --I had just read on findagrave.com that his cousin was a navigator.

He wasn't one to talk about the war too much, but a little, and never joined a vet organization, it wasn't too much a part of his identity, but it became more of his identity, in a self-righteous congratulatory way in his 80's and 90's. And a local newspaper even did a story on him. I think around 90 years old he said once,twice, or three times "if we hadn't won the war....we'd all be speaking German right now." He thought the USA would have had the English language supplanted with German. That sums up how he thought of the whole thing, or how his generation thought of the whole thing.

His viewpoint, attitude, I came to see, was largely based on the Eisenhower Psych Warfare operation against our own troops centering on Buchenwald and Ohrdruff, and then mixed with the Belsen photos. To the point that at around 93 years old he actually told me he saw the camps, which he didn't.

And I think as he got older, and had watched a lot of t.v daily, he sort of thought that as a WWII vet he helped "save the Jews."

When I told him about my videos it didn't go over well. He thought it was terrible, but I think he's sort of forgot about that. I didn't tell him till he was in his early 90's because I thought he might dox me.

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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby borjastick » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:41 am)

Hannover wrote:Simple:

These veterans have been conditioned to believe they fought 'The Good War'. All front line fighters are told they are right to fight and will win the the battle/war. They are fighting against real men with real bullets and bombs. They see their friends and comrades cut down and the shit, blood and guts or war all around them
They receive public praise, glorification, and taxpayer resources which reinforces the propaganda they were fed. Most in UK don't receive any personal praise and none as far as I am aware receive tax payer funds or resources.
They love the attention. No they don't.

For too many, being part of WWII is their defining moment in life, it's their 'fifteen minutes of fame' from which they unfortunately derive much of their self esteem and desire to be special. This statement is just completely wrong. Most soldiers who saw any kind of WW2 combat don't say much about it and certainly are following or seeking a Warhol moment.

Obviously, it provides a support system for the fake & impossible 'holocaust' mythology, and it provides further justification for even more wars.

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I speak on the basis of those I knew and know - fathers of friends when I was growing up, family members (uncles and the like) and of course my own father now 94. Foot soldiers don't have an agenda except to survive. They are pawns in the larger game and do as they are told in the face of difficult odds. Any sense of ego and victory they may have was well won.
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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby Pia Kahn » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:29 am)

sfivdf21 wrote:Hello everyone, today is the 76th anniversary of the D-Day, in this forum all of us know who were the real heroes and who were the real villains of the WW2. But do the most American, British, French, Canadian and so one WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side and are proud of what they did 76 years ago? Or the most of them have realized that they were deceived to fought on the wrong side and against the wrong enemy (as the notorious American General George S. Patton already realized)?


Right and wrong in warfare is not easily answered. These soldiers were told that they were fighting against evil in order to save the world, when in fact they were fighting for a share of the booty, which was Europe. Let me explain:

By the time the western Allies landed in Normandy, the war had already been effectively lost for Hitler. The battles of Stalingrad and Kursk were decisive victories for Stalin. It was merely a matter of time until the red army would march into Berlin and Paris and .... Roosevelt and Churchill were well aware of this.

The landing in Normandy was designed to prevent the USSR from taking over Europe. Thus, the landing in Normandy is really the beginning of the "cold war", the rivalry between the USSR and the USA over dominance in Europa.

But how many people do you know that realize this?

These soldiers were pawns in a chess game called geopolitics.

Would they believe you if you explained it to them? Very few. The veterans would feel miserable if they knew the truth.
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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:39 am)

borjastick:
I speak on the basis of those I knew and know - fathers of friends when I was growing up, family members (uncles and the like) and of course my own father now 94. Foot soldiers don't have an agenda except to survive. They are pawns in the larger game and do as they are told in the face of difficult odds. Any sense of ego and victory they may have was well won.

I certainly agree with that. The men who fought in WWII, my father included, thought they were doing the right thing.
In spite of their courageous efforts, they were led astray, they had bad information.

However, in order to maintain the initial propaganda of the time, secondary layers have been created in order to mandate acceptance of the fraudulent 'holocaust' narrative and enable dismissal of the horrors of Allied tactics.
Power & influence are the results of continual, additional use of such propaganda. And as we are seeing, such perverse influence has created an utterly dysfunctional west based upon false 'history'.

The manipulators know what buttons to push. WWII Vets, most are senile & compromised, bask in the fantasy fed to them that they were 'the good guys that saved the world'.

Thanks, Hannover

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:51 pm)

Hannover:
However, in order to maintain the initial propaganda of the time, secondary layers have been created in order to mandate acceptance of the fraudulent 'holocaust' narrative and enable dismissal of the horrors of Allied tactics.
Power & influence are the results of continual, additional use of such propaganda. And as we are seeing, such perverse influence has created an utterly dysfunctional west based upon false 'history'.

Brilliant passage.

And the propaganda arm of Power even went as far as to create an aura around the word "bystander." Says the arguably Jewish controlled media, to the tv watcher: "if something happens to us Jews, are you just going to be a bystander??!!" They pushed for a hypothetical heroic interjection from the average consumer. LOL. And then with this future/past thing, they created a lot of movies/media around the holocaust (myth) and "the bystander." Science Fiction-like chutzpah. LOL.

There was even a New York Times Op Ed a few months ago from a Jewish Holocaust scholar who questioned the "bystander" strategy. Really the bystander propaganda push, only because it didn't seem realistic to push average people to become martyrs.

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Postby Mortimer » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:42 am)

Doug Collins was a British veteran of WW2 who settled in Canada after the war. He took up journalism and supported the right of Ernst Zundel and other revisionists to question the holocaust story. He even wrote a negative review of Schindler's List.
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Postby attenuate » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Tue Jun 09, 2020 11:11 am)

Allied wartime propaganda is still as effective today as it was seventy-five years ago. All western history since the second world war has been a lie. The Holocaust has become the central dogma of war-authenticating western democracy and only its collapse will finally dispel this untruth.

Academia has a vested interest in downplaying atrocities committed by the Allies'. Allied strategic bombing of German towns and cities, necessitated the fabrication of German atrocity propaganda and this has been propagated by academic historians ever since.

The only British WWII veteran I have any respect for is Victor Gregg, who was present during the obliteration of Dresden and speaks unflatteringly of the perpetrators of this event.

He is a rare exception, in general, British people unquestionably accept and will even violently defend a false, historically distorted narrative, completely exonerating Allied war crimes. In reality, WWII was initially a contractual war which subsequently developed into the systematic mass-murder of German civilians.

The recognition of this very real genocide of German civilians will be prevented as long as the Holocaust continues to be the cornerstone of western history.

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Postby attenuate » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:09 am)

Mortimer wrote:Doug Collins was a British veteran of WW2 who settled in Canada after the war. He took up journalism and supported the right of Ernst Zundel and other revisionists to question the holocaust story. He even wrote a negative review of Schindler's List.
https://codoh.com/library/authors/collins-douglas/


Thank you, I wasn't aware of Doug Collins.

I've always had an aversion to British wartime propaganda disseminated through popular culture and indoctrinated in schools. Reading 'The Destruction of Dresden' by David Irving confirmed my viewpoint it was the Allied side who were the aggressors during WWII. However 'Breaking the Spell' by the great Nicholas Kollerstrom was the book I'd be waiting for which carefully dismantled the hygiene transmogrifying lies and at last revealed the WWII labour camps in their true and mundane proportion.

Later reading 'Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Territories', it became obvious just how far-reaching Allied propaganda has been and how the desperation of a Germany fighting for its very existence has been concealed from history, by warmongers who have been allowed to withhold historical truth for far too long.

Unfortunately most of the British public are ignorant thugs who get their WWII history from atrocious and cheaply made one-sided documentaries. I don't expect the overwhelming evidence assembled by persevering revisionists to make much of an impression in this delusional and truth-fearing country. However elsewhere in more civilised parts of the world there may be hope that these persistent lies are finally being eroded and eventually we may be able to look the people of Dresden and Pforzheim in the eyes again.

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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby borjastick » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:26 am)

Unfortunately most of the British public are ignorant thugs who get their WWII history from atrocious and cheaply made one-sided documentaries. I don't expect the overwhelming evidence assembled by persevering revisionists to make much of an impression in this delusional and truth-fearing country.


Meanwhile in the real world I'll take that as an offensive comment. I am British and despite being a revisionist concerning the holocaust I fully understand that Hitler was the aggressor evidenced by the simple fact that he invaded, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland etc etc blah blah blah. There was only one country that took up arms against Hitler and fought the fight against him and his aggression from start to finish, and that was Great Britain. The war was correct though regrettable and we were right to take a stand.

The holocaust is a completely different matter and subject for discussion here. If you think Britain should have stayed at home knitting cardigans and drinking tea while Hitler marched his armies largely unopposed throughout Europe you are deluded.
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Re: 76 years after the infamous D-Day, do the western allies WW2 veterans still think they fought on the right side?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:30 am)

borjastick said:
Meanwhile in the real world I'll take that as an offensive comment. I am British and despite being a revisionist concerning the holocaust I fully understand that Hitler was the aggressor evidenced by the simple fact that he invaded, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland etc etc blah blah blah. There was only one country that took up arms against Hitler and fought the fight against him and his aggression from start to finish, and that was Great Britain. The war was correct though regrettable and we were right to take a stand.
Were off topic, but that's simply not true,

That surprises me given the real facts that are available here:
WWII Europe / Atlantic Theater Revisionist Forum at: viewforum.php?f=20
such as:
'Responsibility for WW2' viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544
Why Germany Invaded Poland', by John Wear / 'peaceful Poland' debunked: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12331
Polish Atrocities against Germans before 1. September 1939: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7525
How Britain & Roosevelt conspired to get America into WW2: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=13252

briefly:
- Britain & France did not declare war on the communist USSR which invaded from the east and took 60% of Poland.
- The aggressive Soviets violated numerous treaties with neighboring countries, yet Britain did nothing.
- Before the German attack on war mongering Poland, Poland threatened force against Lithuania with an ultimatum..
- Poland invaded and annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, held large parts of German territory, was engaged in atrocities against German civilians. Yet the ‘Allies’ did nothing.
- The “neutral” US had been attacking German U-boats & shipping, while supplying both Britain & the USSR long before Germany’s declaration of war on the US.
- Brits invaded & were mining Norway at Narvik before Germany arrived & stopped it.
- British invaded Iceland and Iran
- Norway, who claimed neutrality, in fact aided & abetted Britain by not mobilizing it's armed forces against British mining of their ports & sea lanes.
- "Neutral" Belgium actually aided & abetted France & Britain by allowing France to position 2 million if it's soldiers in Belgium, and also allowed the British to add another half million troops within Belgium.
- France and England were also allowed to use Belgian and Dutch airspace with impunity for their military aircraft.
- It is important to remember that France had already invaded Germany, the Saar in 1939, and that throughout this entire period Hitler was begging Churchill to negotiate a return to the status quo.

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