Pre-War Nazi Germany Concentration Camp and Prison Statistics

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Pre-War Nazi Germany Concentration Camp and Prison Statistics

Postby HMSendeavour » 6 days 22 hours ago (Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:40 am)

I'm going to post a variety of images regarding the concentration camps and prisons in pre-war Nazi Germany. I would very much like to know what everyone thinks of these statistics. I myself am baffled at how moderate they appear to be. However, I am no statistician.

When historians or political pundits talk about Nazi Germany, they love to talk about terror, concentration camps, prisons, the whole "totalitarian" parade of coercion. In the case of Nazi Germany, you don't see the same things as you'd expect to when hearing these same people talking about it. In real numbers, and in practise, National Socialist Germany appears to be a relatively free society.

Nazi Germany was open to the world, unlike the Soviet Union. The Nazi press published news about concentration camps in local papers, excessive violence was punished which I personally would suspect was an institutional obligation. Not a singular occurrence. And only a very minute number of people, from particular groups were, in my mind, rightfully discriminated against and removed from society. Mainly Marxists and Jews. Of course, these groups overlapped. Really, the only people sent to camps or to prisons as political prisoners were the nucleus of this kind of political subversion and hostility to the National Socialist state.

Source: Nikolaus Washsmann, Hitler's Prisons (Yale University Press, 2004), Pp. 392-403

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If you were to compare any of these statistics to the Soviet Union, or even our societies today, in countries with much smaller population sizes, I'm certain that the Third Reich's numbers here wouldn't even come close to matching any of them.

What I believe we're seeing, is a magnification of terror where it largely didn't exist.
Now what does it mean for the independent expert witness Van Pelt? In his eyes he had two possibilities. Either to confirm the Holocaust story, or to go insane. - Germar Rudolf, 13th IHR Conference

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Re: Pre-War Nazi Germany Concentration Camp and Prison Statistics

Postby Lamprecht » 5 days 6 hours ago (Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:51 pm)

HMS:
If you were to compare any of these statistics to the Soviet Union, or even our societies today, in countries with much smaller population sizes, I'm certain that the Third Reich's numbers here wouldn't even come close to matching any of them.

Accurate figures on the USSR's concentration camps would be hard to come by. I doubt we will ever know. Here's a map from the 1950s, right after the end of WWII. The Soviets didn't waste any time setting up forced labor camps, despite executing German officers for what they supposedly did in the Third Reich's camps.

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The International League was able to document the existence of well over 400 camps in Eastern Europe in 1952. From the testimony available concerning these camps, the International League estimated that they had held somewhere between 1,000,000 and 1,200,000 forced laborers from their inauguration
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Forced Labor "Death Camps" in Communist Poland
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Re: Pre-War Nazi Germany Concentration Camp and Prison Statistics

Postby HMSendeavour » 5 days 4 hours ago (Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:46 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:Accurate figures on the USSR's concentration camps would be hard to come by. I doubt we will ever know. Here's a map from the 1950s, right after the end of WWII. The Soviets didn't waste any time setting up forced labor camps, despite executing German officers for what they supposedly did in the Third Reich's camps.


Nikolai Tolstoy produced a map for his book 'Stalin's Secret War'.
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I agree that we won't ever know the full extent of Soviet Camps. No doubt they were brutal and numerous. The camps of the Third Reich, especially in the pre-war years would be children's playgrounds in comparison.

What do you make of the statistics I posted?
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