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Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby TruthSeeker7 » 3 weeks 2 days ago (Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:13 pm)

I apologize if this is not worth a thread, if it isn't it may be deleted, but I am just looking for a picture (and if possible translation from Polish) of the original warning leaflets supposedly dropped on Warsaw by the Germans giving escape routes for civilians 11 hours before the bombing. I recently heard about this referenced but I can't find a copy of an actual one online anywhere, although I know one has to exist somewhere. Could some one point me in the right direction?

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Re: Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby Lamprecht » 3 weeks 2 days ago (Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:04 pm)

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Re: Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby TruthSeeker7 » 3 weeks 2 days ago (Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:51 pm)

I am talking about the one referenced by David Irving and some people on this forum. Not the Warsaw uprising of '44. I really need a real copy of said leaflet to prove Irving's authenticity. We can't just say they existed without a single picture of one of the thousands dropped.

At three o’clock on the afternoon of the sixteenth, Luftwaffe aircraft released over Warsaw several tons of leaflets giving the civilian population twelve hours to leave by two specified roads. At six p.m. the next day, the Deutschland Sender broadcast an invitation to the Polish forces to send officers to the German lines for negotiations to begin at ten p.m. Any officers who turned up for negotiations were to be instructed to hand to their commandant an ultimatum calling for the unconditional surrender of the capital by eight a.m. the next day. Arrangements for the evacuation of the diplomatic corps would be made on request. By 11:45 a.m. on the eighteenth no Polish officer had appeared at the German lines. Hitler’s attempts to obtain the city’s bloodless capitulation were sufficient to give him a clear conscience about destroying Warsaw when the time came.

David Irving, Hitler's War and the War Path (Millennium Edition, Focal Point Publications, 2002), Pp. 232

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Re: Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 1 day ago (Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:32 am)

Given that Warsaw was in fact a legitimate military target, made so by the Polish army's actions within Warsaw, the leaflet issue is irrelevant.
A purely cosmetic discussion.

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Re: Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby HMSendeavour » 3 weeks 1 day ago (Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:15 am)

Actually there were 2 sets of warning leaflets dropped over Warsaw. Meaning, the Germans warned them TWICE!

Millions of new leaflets publishing these terms were dropped over Warsaw that evening. The Polish commandant made no response. Early on the twenty-sixth, therefore, the target of the artillery bombardment was changed to the city itself, and the infantry assault began. The next day it was all over; the Poles had capitulated with virtually no further military resistance.

David Irving, Hitler's War and the War Path (Millennium Edition: Focal Point Publications, 2002), Pp. 239


Irving again responds to people who just throw out "Warsaw" as some example of the "bad things" Germany did in regards to bombing cities.

IN fact the bombardment of Warsaw did not begin until September 26, 1939, after all the military niceties had been observed: warning leaflets dropped on to the civilian population, open routes provided for the Polish civilians to leave before the timed hour of bombardment, a formal ultimatum to the commandant of the fortress Warsaw to capitulate before the bombardment began, which was rejected. [See Hitler's War (Millennium Edition, 2002), page 239]. Prof. Kennedy is surely not referring to the Luftwaffe strikes against Warsaw airfields which opened the war on September 1, 1939, and which are not unlike what the British and US air forces are carrying out against southern Iraq at this moment, even without a declaration of war.

Source: http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Churchill/Hitchens_replies.html Archive: https://archive.vn/OcxfC


I have emailed David Irving regarding the Leaflets in particular. Hopefully he will respond and help out, but he probably won't because he's busy taking as long as possible to finish the Himmler book which will probably come out in another 10 years when he finishes the "little changes" he told me he was working on a month ago now.

In any case, TruthSeeker said:

We can't just say they existed without a single picture of one of the thousands dropped.


Actually you can. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it.
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Re: Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby Hektor » 3 weeks 1 day ago (Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:14 pm)

Hannover wrote:Given that Warsaw was in fact a legitimate military target, made so by the Polish army's actions within Warsaw, the leaflet issue is irrelevant.
A purely cosmetic discussion.

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Actually it is of interest. While it was indeed a legitimate military to shell and bomb Warsaw, Leaflets with the aim to reduce the number of casualties, would be relevant as they'd show that the Wehrmacht aimed at reducing loss of human life.

That's more than just cosmetic by-work. It assists in understanding what the attitudes were.

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Re: Leaflet Request (Warsaw)

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 1 day ago (Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:02 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Hannover wrote:Given that Warsaw was in fact a legitimate military target, made so by the Polish army's actions within Warsaw, the leaflet issue is irrelevant.
A purely cosmetic discussion.

- Hannover

Actually it is of interest. While it was indeed a legitimate military to shell and bomb Warsaw, Leaflets with the aim to reduce the number of casualties, would be relevant as they'd show that the Wehrmacht aimed at reducing loss of human life.

That's more than just cosmetic by-work. It assists in understanding what the attitudes were.

"Of Interest" perhaps, but hardly relevant to the fact that Warsaw was a legit target, flyers or no flyers.
I somehow got the impression that TruthSeeker7 was attempting to imply that Warsaw was not a legit military target and that leaflets were not dropped.
Given the fact that Warsaw was legally subject to military attack, the leaflets issue is indeed cosmetic, an aside, and ultimately irrelevant, other than to demonstrate that the Germans were concerned about loss of life.

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