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Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 4 years 10 months ago (Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:01 am)

The following article by Russian author Yuri Teplyakov demonstrates how Hitler offered to treat captured Red Army troops according to the Geneva Convention if the USSR would do the same for German soldiers in soviet captivity. Stalin said no. According to him anyone who surrendered was a traitor to the USSR and he went out of his way to invite mistreatment of them.
http://codoh.com/library/document/2526/
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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Hektor » 4 years 6 months ago (Sun May 26, 2013 2:47 am)

Of course that part will get skipped to promote the tale of tse eewill Dshermans...

Interesting and more research is needed on that subject.

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:10 pm)

The account of a Russian who lived in German occupied areas of the Soviet Union who stated that although it was harsh it was preferable to communist rule. http://www.ihr.org/other/kirilovflightfromhell

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mkk » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:53 pm)

according to the Geneva Convention

Actually, what the Geneva convention says

The provisions of the present Convention shall be respected by the High Contracting Parties in all circumstances.

In time of war if one of the belligerents is not a party to the Convention, its provisions shall, nevertheless, remain binding as between the belligerents who are parties thereto.

http://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/ ... CD0051928C

So the Germans were still obligated to follow the Geneva Convention, in any circumstance, even if the Soviets didnt.

Soviet treatment of German POWs was no excuse for the Germans' own treatment of Soviet POWs... Two wrongs do not make a right after all.
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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Breker » 3 years 5 months ago (Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:21 am)

So the Germans were still obligated to follow the Geneva Convention, in any circumstance, even if the Soviets didnt.

Soviet treatment of German POWs was no excuse for the Germans' own treatment of Soviet POWs... Two wrongs do not make a right after all.
In comparison I fail to see much wrong with the German treatment of Soviet POWs.
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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:24 pm)

Mkk wrote:
according to the Geneva Convention

Actually, what the Geneva convention says

The provisions of the present Convention shall be respected by the High Contracting Parties in all circumstances.

In time of war if one of the belligerents is not a party to the Convention, its provisions shall, nevertheless, remain binding as between the belligerents who are parties thereto.

http://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/ ... CD0051928C

So the Germans were still obligated to follow the Geneva Convention, in any circumstance, even if the Soviets didnt.

Soviet treatment of German POWs was no excuse for the Germans' own treatment of Soviet POWs... Two wrongs do not make a right after all.

At the wars end Soviet forces shot many Red Army officers who had been in captivity and sent other ranks to be slave labor in the gulag. The Germans were not unnecessarily brutal like this. Stalin is to blame for this situation. Roosevelt told Stalin to accept Hitler's offer of better treatment and he still refused.

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Dallas » 3 years 4 months ago (Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:17 pm)

Hello: This is my first post here. Greetings to all. It is a brief interrogatory for the immediately prior poster.

Do you have a source for this: "Roosevelt told Stalin to accept Hitler's offer of better treatment and he still refused." Not at all questioning its veracity, just wondering.

Interesting place you guys have.

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 3 months ago (Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:29 am)

Dallas wrote:Hello: This is my first post here. Greetings to all. It is a brief interrogatory for the immediately prior poster.

Do you have a source for this: "Roosevelt told Stalin to accept Hitler's offer of better treatment and he still refused." Not at all questioning its veracity, just wondering.

Interesting place you guys have.

I remember reading about it in a military history magazine about 20 years ago so I am going on memory. I will try to find corroborating evidence online. The reason I remembered it is because it was one of the few times that I had read where Roosevelt disagreed with Stalin.

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Dallas » 3 years 3 months ago (Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:42 pm)

Thank you. I understand you holding on to that memory, as that bastard Roosevelt seemed to always go along with that degenerate psychopath of the world, Crazy Joe.

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 2 years 6 months ago (Wed May 27, 2015 12:50 pm)

A substantial number of Russian red army men chose to change sides and volunteered to fight with Germany. They were organised into units of a group called the Russian Army of Liberation and their commanding officer was General Vlassov. Hermann Goering also agreed to the setting up of an air force with Russian pilots - http://codoh.com/library/document/1445/

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 7 months ago (Wed May 11, 2016 1:54 pm)

Here is a link to a podcast on the subject of national socialism in German occupied Russia. It mentions the autonomous region known as Lokot. Konstantin Voskobojnik was the leader of the national socialist labor party of Russia and Brigadier General Bronislav Kaminski was in charge of the military - http://barnesreview.org/national-social ... ed-russia/

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 6 months ago (Wed May 18, 2016 1:18 pm)

An article from the British newspaper The Daily Mail which shows how many Russians viewed the invasion of the USSR as a chance to be liberated from "godless communism". The Germans also organised tours for Russians to go to their country to see for themselves "the German way of life".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ar-II.html

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Re: Soviet Pows in German Captivity

Postby Mortimer » 2 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:04 pm)

John Wear is the author of Germany's War. He has written an article which confirms the findings of Yuri Teplyakov whose work I linked to in the original post in this thread. Hitler's offer of a reciprocal agreement to improve the conditions for Soviet pows if Stalin would do the same for German pows -
https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/09/ ... -betrayal/


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