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Ilse Koch

Postby truth » 5 years 11 months ago (Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:59 pm)

There are more and more sites which talks about 19 horrible women in the history of humanity and Ilse Koch is mentioned.
They talk about the lampshade story, which is clearly untrue, here.

http://www.rantlifestyle.com/2014/08/05 ... /#slide_21

Just to let you know that the primitive propaganda lies still goes on.
Anybody know what she really did and how she died?

She maybe one of the least known persons on earth because she maybe innocent of some or even all charges?
What do you think?

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Re: Ilse Koch

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 11 months ago (Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:31 pm)

Look up her Wikipedia entry.

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Re: Ilse Koch

Postby Hannover » 5 years 11 months ago (Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:52 pm)

There's plenty on her in the 'holocaust' forum.
Kingfisher wrote:Look up her Wikipedia entry.
Sure, you can do that, but I woudn't take Wikipedia too seriously. From a previous thread:
Hannover wrote:Oh, what a shock! It couldn't possibly be the usual enemies of free speech, could it?

Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
and:
Jewish Internet Defense Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Int ... ense_Force

People are so onto these creepy liars.

antisemite: anyone who tells the truth

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
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Re: Ilse Koch

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:26 am)

Hannover wrote:
Kingfisher wrote:Look up her Wikipedia entry.
Sure, you can do that, but I woudn't take Wikipedia too seriously.
I looked at the Wikipedia entry before I posted. (Did you?) It's pretty fair and factual. Unlike most H-related articles it doesn't present rumour or witness statement as fact. It uses words like alleged and acccused. The War Crimes paragraph refers to her arrest by the German authorities and states that her husband was executed but she was released for lack of evidence.

The article cites Joseph Halow's Innocent at Dachau, which at least shows the writer knows there is another side to these stories, and quotes Lucius Clay saying "there was no convincing evidence that she had selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed skins, or that she possessed any articles made of human skin".

The description of the second trial is factual. One could even read between the lines that she had a raw deal.

But in any case Truth was asking for facts, like how she died. S/he didn't have to post here to ask that.

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Re: Ilse Koch

Postby Hannover » 5 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:44 am)

Yeah sure, Kingfisher. The Wikipedia account reads like a cheap tabloid fixated on her alleged sexual activities. Then there is the References & External links section, filled with titles supporting the ridiculous 'holocaust' narrative *. I guess you missed all of this.

* Just a couple of examples.:
10. Hohne, Heinz (2000). The Order of the Death's Head: A History of the SS. Penguin Books. ISBN 9780141390123. The author notes the irony that the SS prosecutor, Konrad Morgen, investigated some cover-up murders of inmates in detail while being ignorant of, or willfully ignoring, the industrialized mass murder later alleged to have been going on in the camps further to the East.

Frau Ilse Koch, General Lucius Clay, and Human-Skin Atrocities". Jewish Virtual Library.
Where we are taken to http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... /skin.html "Holocaust Denial: Frau Ilse Koch and General Lucius Clay". More desperate spin and lies.

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Re: Ilse Koch

Postby Kingfisher » 5 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:54 pm)

Hannover wrote:Yeah sure, Kingfisher. The Wikipedia account reads like a cheap tabloid fixated on her alleged sexual activities. Then there is the References & External links section,
I only read the article, and the reference to her sex life quotes Halow who talks of "unverified rumors". Hardly lurid. By the standards of a Wikipedia Nazi-related article it's pretty fair. It describes factually what happened and cites allegations, accusations and rumours as just that.

Obviously the article isn't written by a revisionist (if it were it wouldn't last a day). It does what a Wikipedia article is required to do which is to present the generally-accepted view. Within that parameter it is fair and objective using the terms I have quoted earlier and even citing an author who is to some extent revisionist.

But I know you like to see the world in emotive black and white terms, so i won't waste my metaphorical breath any further.

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Re: Ilse Koch

Postby Hannover » 5 years 11 months ago (Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:56 pm)

Spare me your drama, Kingfisher. Please actually read the entire piece. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilse_Koch
The lying Zionists have been all over it, as I pointed out. And suppose someone went in yanked out all their irrelevant spin, references, & links; the Zionists would replace in a heartbeat and you know it.

But we're not done yet. Here's more lies from the entry:
In 1940, she built an indoor sports arena, which cost over 250,000 reichsmarks (approximately $62,500), most of which had been seized from the inmates. In 1941 Karl Otto Koch was transferred to Lublin, where he helped establish the Majdanek concentration and extermination camp.

And what does her sex life have to do with her alleged part in brutality & killings? Notice how much space is given to it:
Koch announced in the courtroom that she was pregnant. She was indeed eight months pregnant. Koch already had a reputation for being promiscuous. According to the Buchenwald Report, it was rumored that Koch was having simultaneous love affairs with Waldemar Hoven, a Waffen-SS Captain who was the chief medical doctor at Buchenwald, and Hermann Florstedt, the Deputy Commandant. Dachau court reporter, Joseph Halow, in his book Innocent at Dachau, reported there were unverified rumors that Koch had engaged in numerous affairs with SS officers, and even with some of the inmates at the Buchenwald concentration camp, and her marital relationship was an open one. Koch's announcement of her pregnancy stunned the court because she was 41 years old at the time and was being kept in isolation with no contact with any men except the American interrogators, most of whom were Jewish. Halow also mentions that he was shocked to learn that Koch may have turned to other men because her husband was a homosexual. Buchenwald records revealed that he had been treated for syphilis.

Also notice that it's not said here that these tattooed prisoners were not killed. The spin job only deals with lampshades:
At least four separate witnesses for the prosecution testified that they had seen Koch choose tattooed prisoners, who were then killed, or had seen or been involved in the process of making human-skin lampshades from tattooed skin.[13] However, this charge was dropped by the prosecution when they could not prove lampshades or any other items were actually made from human skin

Then we have this link: "Female guards in Nazi concentration camps" which takes you to "The Aufseherinnen were female guards in Nazi concentration camps during The Holocaust." Where we read a lie after lie.

In "Sources: we read:
Gutman, Israel, ed. (1995). Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Macmillan). pp. 809–810. ISBN 9780028645285.
Lacqueur, Walter; Baumel, Judith Tydor, eds. (2001). The Holocaust Encyclopedia. Yale University Press. p. 97. ISBN 9780300084320.
We even see a reference to racist Zionist William L. Shirer's laughable: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (3rd Edition ed.). New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 885".
Well it goes on & on in the Wikipedia piece, manipulation after manipulation.

Because the laughable human skin lampshades & samples of tattooed skin have now been accepted by many in the mainstream as lies, the Zionists must now try to spin, deflect, and manipulate the reader by adding lies, irrelevant text, links, references & sources which direct the reader to the 'holocaust' tales. That's is the duty of the Zionist Wikipedia gatekeepers.

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