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"If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Sannhet » 6 days 5 hours ago (Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:01 am)

Summary: A major left-wing Twitter personality with 850,000 followers said (Jan. 11, 2021) "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse." Meant as a cheap attack on Trump, it reveals much about the general state of Holocaust Belief, namely that many don't even know what it was. The statement makes no sense within orthodox Holocaust historiography.

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Background

A negative response from many quarters was elicited following Donald Trump's simultaneous bannings by Twitter, Facebook, and many other online platforms on January 8 (apparently lifetime bans, and apparently part of a rolling political purge, with the Trump life-ban from seemingly the entire mainstream Internet being what is called in other contexts a "decapacitation strike"). One was Angela Merkel. This was something of a surprise. She made one of the earliest and clearest rebukes of the coordinated digital un-personing of the sitting US president.

In response to Merkel's criticism of "Big Tech" erasing Donald Trump (and his campaign infrastructure and public-relations capabilities) from the Internet, some anti-Trump people in turn attacked Merkel. This is all as expected. Of interest here is that one of the attacks on Merkel, from a very prominent and active left-wing US Twitter personality, is worth attention.

The Holocaust Tweet

BrookylnDad twitter guy says If Hitler had Twitter the Holocaust would have been much worse.png

BrooklynDad_Defiant!
@mmpadellan

I disagree with Angela Merkel, who thinks that banning trump's Twitter account was "problematic."

If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse.


Jan 11, 2021

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/1 ... 3341315074

Okay. This Twitter guy, who goes by "Brooklyn Dad," is one of the more successful "Twitter personalities" out there, with 850,000 followers despite not being a "public figure."

Brooklyn Dad's profile says this:
Proud papa. Perpetually pissed.
#BlueWave2020, #Feminist.
#TheResistance, #BLM, #GoJoe!

Author of The Liddle'est President.
Sr. Advisor, @ReallyAmerican1

Onto the Holocaust rhetorical-grenade he tossed in, hoping to do damage to Merkel:
If Hitler had Twitter back then, the holocaust would've been much, much worse.

What does this mean? To what kind of person does this sound persuasive?

Is the Holocaust's place in our culture today such that if you just mention it at all, as if by magic, you win?

This argument, if it is an argument, is so thin as to get people to question whether it is a parody account or a real account.

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The state of Holocaust Belief in the 2020s?

Taking this argument at face value (and not as the rather weak rhetorical joust of endorsing political censorship in our time):

Why would "the Holocaust" have been "worse" if Hitler had had Twitter?

Remember that Twitter is public, amounting to kind of instant public broadcasting service for many of the biggest names, few bigger than Trump with his 89 million followers.

As best I can tell, and in the context of the frenetic political-rhetoric escalation of January 2021, Brooklyn Dad must mean this:

Hitler, armed with Twitter, could have much more easily inspired random attacks on Jews, at any time. This via instant communication with millions of violent fanatical Nazis, who, in this fantasy-scenario, were constantly killing Jews. With Twitter, they'd have killed more Jews, more often, I guess is the idea.

Really this tells me that Brooklyn Dad has no idea what the orthodox Holocaust story even is. He is very likely unaware that mainstream Holocaust historiography now generally agrees there was no "Hitler order" for the Holocaust, so the whole thing is off on all kinds of wrong premises. Brooklyn Dad's idea of the Holocaust is almost as bizarre a fantasy morality-play version of it as you can get, really a black-and-white horror movie, or a zombie movie with Germans as zombies and Jews as the human survivors slowly being hunted down by the zombies.

Is this the state of mainstream Holocaust Belief in the 2020s? If so, Holocaust Belief has really degenerated.

Is there any place within the orthodox Holocaust story for a defense of Brooklyn Dad's comment (that Twitter would have made the Holocaust "much, much worse")? I can't see one. Maybe someone else can.
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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Lamprecht » 6 days 4 hours ago (Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:15 am)

Sannhet:
What does this mean? To what kind of person does this sound persuasive?

To me, the statement itself means nothing and does not even make any sense on the face of it.
Looking deeper, I would translate the tweet into English as:

"Dear internet: I hate Hitler and I hate Donald Trump. Also, Trump is just like Hitler and needs to be shut up. Finally, if you disagree with me you're at best wrong, and at worst a neo-Nazi/Holocaust denier!"

As for Merkel, I do not believe she is advocating for freedom of speech/expression at all. She probably just does not like the idea of a private company being in charge of censorship and instead thinks some international body like the UN should be in charge of policing speech on the internet.
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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby borjastick » 6 days 4 hours ago (Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:00 pm)

I don't do Twatter never have so i am wondering if this geezer was rebuked for this stupid comment and perhaps corrected by someone who does know about the holocaust, which clearly he doesn't.

UPDATE I have just used Twatter to find the idiot known as BrooklynDad. Not sure if he's a jew or a BLM supporter but looking at his profile and the amount of tweets he clearly has slightly less than naff all to do all day everyday, or maybe he's paid to spew it out like that. It amazes me that people so filled with hate like this idiot cannot see their own double standards and venom towards those they don't like, while all the time thinking that those of his persuasion have done nothing wrong when partaking of burning cities and towns right across the US over a period of months.

As for the Hitler comment he fails to see or understand that in those days whole countries would tune into the radio news and broadcasts every evening to hear what was happening. Thus mass communication was indeed very available and usable. Therefore if Uncle Adolf had wanted jews removed (read liquidated) from Germany in a one step one move action all he would need to do would be broadcast the order and his desire and it would or at least could have happened. That he never said anything of the sort and removed jews in other move user friendly ways is totally lost on Plank of the Week AKA BrooklynDad.
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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much,worse." / reductio ad Hitlerum

Postby Goethe » 5 days 22 hours ago (Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:18 pm)

The lives of people like this "Brooklyn Dad" are so empty of meaning and significance that they engage in fantasies and lies.
They try to fill the void with fake drama and narcissism.
With "Brooklyn Dad" we have a classic example of the tired, thread bare 'reductio ad Hitlerum' which is the attempt to discredit something, someone by associating them with the ridiculously alleged 'ultimate evil of Hitler and National Socialist Germany'.
It is an act of pure desperation used by those who lack substance in their arguments.

You might want to read this article; "Reductio ad Hitlerum" as a Social Evil : https://codoh.com/library/document/redu ... l-evil/en/
additionally: search.php?keywords=Reductio+ad+Hitlerum&fid%5B0%5D=2
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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Wachtman » 5 days 21 hours ago (Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:26 pm)

If twitter existed back then, wouldn't all the people know what was going on and start moving East in 1941?

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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby gl0spana » 5 days 16 hours ago (Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:39 pm)

Wachtman wrote:If twitter existed back then, wouldn't all the people know what was going on and start moving East in 1941?


yeah lol, if people had even early 200s era technology, and could put photos and videos up on the net, the holocaust clearly never would have happened. would have been a PR disaster, and probably the majority of Germans would have turned against their government

the tweet is very very stupid

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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Hannover » 5 days 15 hours ago (Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:22 am)

gl0spana wrote:yeah lol, if people had even early 200s era technology, and could put photos and videos up on the net, the holocaust clearly never would have happened. would have been a PR disaster, and probably the majority of Germans would have turned against their government

the tweet is very very stupid

I assume you meant '2000s era technology'.

And speaking of "a PR disaster", the 'holocaust' narrative, which you believe in but have no proof for, is a load of impossible nonsense which you have been called on and routed, some examples here:

I hereby agree to debate on Belzec mass graves
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13367
and here:
Eulogy for Gl0spana
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13474
and here:
Hoefle telegram / Korherr report / news articles
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13364
and here:
the nature of The Big Lie
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13317
and here:
Why evacuate the Jews east at all?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13323
and here:
gl0spana essentially says lack of German docs. on non-employable Jews implies extermination
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13476

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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Sannhet » 5 days 15 hours ago (Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:59 am)

borjastick wrote:I don't do Twatter never have so i am wondering if this geezer was rebuked for this stupid comment and perhaps corrected by someone who does know about the holocaust, which clearly he doesn't.

BrooklynDad's "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse" got:

  • 1,200 Replies
  • 505 "Quote-Tweets" (a form of reply by starting a new thread)
  • 1,900 Retweets (sending out same content without comment to your own followers)
  • 14,800 Likes
This is actually a very favorable ratio (Likes > Replies by more than ten to one; more Retweets than Replies+QuoteTweets).**

From this we can deduce that the core group following BrooklynDad's tweets either agreed with his message or at least were unwilling to say anything against it. (One side-lesson here, therefore, is the social media problem of hysteria-chains within large echo chambers.)

Here are a few of the top replies to the "Hitler with Twitter would have made the Holocaust much worse" tweet I see:
Odessa @J00wish
Jan 11
Replying to @mmpadellan

Exactly. I think it's problematic that a leader of Germany actually thinks allowing Nazis a platform is okay. History is repeating itself.
@J00wish's reply was itself "ratio'ed," fifty replies to twelve likes.

This one, with the same point, got a lot of Likes:
Anastasia Beaverhausen @vp___________
Jan 11
Replying to @mmpadellan

Exactly, people need to realize they weren’t blocking his [Trump's] freedom of speech they were blocking him from inciting more violence
_________ @enoblab
Jan 11
Replying to @mmpadellan

Chiming in here as an ex-Pat in Germany, her quotes were not well translated. She sees it more as a problem with government not stepping up in the first place to make laws that forbid hate speech on private platforms, she’s calling more for government to regulate, not Twitter.
Johnny Halifax @JohnThomsumpin
Jan 11
Replying to @mmpadellan

I have to disagree with your analogy. If Hitler had twitter, the world would have stopped him sooner.
This one elicited a reply from an anti-Trump guy who seems to have stepped well into Revisionist land (at least vis-a-vis where Holocaust Belief stands today):
Proud Democrat @votedemsblue
replying to @JohnThomsumpin
Jan 11

No they wouldn’t have. No one cared about the Jews or any other group he oppressed.

People need to stop romanticizing WW2 as a battle to save the oppressed when it was really just Britain and France wanting to contain German influence and us defending ourselves from Japan.
Finally I do find one Twitterer who closest to giving a reasonable, orthodox-Holocaust position critical of BrooklynDad's crazy and surreal vision of the past. Of the twenty-five or so replies I've just reviewed, this and maybe one other are head-on critical:
Mitchell Wexler @MitchWex
Jan 12
Replying to @mmpadellan

Can you explain why? My take is that it would have actually done the opposite, perhaps preventing it. Propoganda and secrecy were primarily why they got away with it for so long. That said I’d like to hear an alternate take. Thank you.
@MitchWex for zero Likes and zero Replies for this.

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UPDATE I have just used Twatter to find the idiot known as BrooklynDad. Not sure if he's a jew or a BLM supporter

Judging by what appears to be his name (Padella or Padellan) and his location, he is most likely of Puerto Rican origin.

As for the Hitler comment he fails to see or understand that in those days whole countries would tune into the radio news and broadcasts every evening to hear what was happening. Thus mass communication was indeed very available and usable. Therefore if Uncle Adolf had wanted jews removed (read liquidated) from Germany in a one step one move action all he would need to do would be broadcast the order and his desire and it would or at least could have happened. That he never said anything of the sort and removed jews in other move user friendly ways is totally lost on Plank of the Week AKA BrooklynDad.

This is a great point.

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** - On the "Ratio of Likes to Replies":

Twitter followed the familiar-from-dystopian-fiction arc of "outsider company slowly gains power over society, the public unsuspecting; by the time people realized what had gone on, it was too late." This phenomenon, now usually referred to in our discourse as Big Tech, is itself a long story. The ban on President Trump and his core PR apparatus is well known to even the laziest of news followers today. Any ban on Twitter also completely deletes everything ever posted by that account, a somewhat shocking level of the Orwell's "un-personing" in digital form.

But a bigger part of their social power is the ability to covertly and systematically censor/"shadowban," or vastly reduce the amount of views for some people/opinions/sources. (One example of this: Any link to Bitchute is flagged as "Dangerous," brings up a "Warning: This Website is Dangerous" page, on which you can scroll down and find in small print, "Yes, continue despite the risks.") This is all to say: If you casually scroll onto some tweet thread, you are often not necessarily getting a random sample of views, but a curated sample; unfavored replies, even when not banned/deleted, are often hidden to various degrees from you, the end-user. The Tyranny of the Algorithm, a little twist on the classic techno-dystopianism. People have recognized this problem for years and one rough way partly around the problem, a way to gauge the popularity or unpopularity of any given tweet within an account's social circle, is the "Ratio." The most unpopular tweet gets more Replies than Likes.

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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Sannhet » 5 days 14 hours ago (Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:23 am)

There is another irony here, not yet mentioned in any of the replies.

Hitler himself was banned from public speaking in the 1920s for some years!

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"Redeverbot" = "Public speaking ban."

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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby HMSendeavour » 5 days 13 hours ago (Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:51 am)

Sannhet wrote:There is another irony here, not yet mentioned in any of the replies.

Hitler himself was banned from public speaking in the 1920s for some years!


Indeed he was.

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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby Sannhet » 5 days 12 hours ago (Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:32 am)

HMSendeavour wrote:
Sannhet wrote:There is another irony here, not yet mentioned in any of the replies.

Hitler himself was banned from public speaking in the 1920s for some years!


Indeed he was.

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The relevant portion:
HITLER: You talk about persecution. [....] Your persecution has made us strong! [....]

You should have recognized the beneficial power of criticism when we were in the opposition. Back then, you had not yet been confronted with these words; back then our press was verboten and verboten and again verboten; our assemblies were banned; we were not allowed to speak, and I was not allowed to speak -- and that went on for years! And now you say criticism is beneficial!

(SPD hysterical cries)

President GÖRING: Stop talking and listen to this for once!

A coordinated process to limit and ban Trump on Twitter, Youtube, Facebook and others, with all of them acting in concert, is the 2020s equivalent to the 1920s strategies which were used against Hitler.

So every part of the premise is wrong. Not only was Hitler banned from easily communicating, he even had modern mass communications, as borjastick wrote above:
["Brooklyn Dad"] fails to see or understand that in those days whole countries would tune into the radio news and broadcasts every evening to hear what was happening. Thus mass communication was indeed very available and usable. Therefore if Uncle Adolf had wanted jews removed (read liquidated) from Germany in a one step one move action all he would need to do would be broadcast the order and his desire and it would or at least could have happened. That he never said anything of the sort and removed jews in other more user friendly ways is totally lost on Plank of the Week AKA BrooklynDad.
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Re: "If Hitler had Twitter back then, the Holocaust would've been much, much worse."

Postby HMSendeavour » 5 days 4 hours ago (Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:54 am)

Sannhet wrote:
HMSendeavour wrote:
Sannhet wrote:There is another irony here, not yet mentioned in any of the replies.

Hitler himself was banned from public speaking in the 1920s for some years!


Indeed he was.

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Here's the archive link for the full resolution image:

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Archive 2: https://web.archive.org/web/20210114074832/https://i.imgur.com/kiqP70D.png


I made the graphic, and wanted to upload it in it's highest resolution instead of lowering the quality so it could be uploaded to CODOH.
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