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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:11 am)

Picking up the L.A.Times today, 4/14/05 they have an article starting on the front page, a minor headline - Swiss Bank Called to Account for Nazi Ties - about a woman who won $21 million from the account extorted from the Swiss.


Then picking up the N.Y.Times there it was right in the middle, starting at the top, with a full color photo of the woman - For Betrayal by Bank and Nazis, $21 Million

Yup, when it comes to publicizing the Holocaust we get it full blast.

Alas, they get all this daily accomodation but if someone whispers it's all bull they get themselves into that blustering - 'How dare you', foot stompin, fist slammin, trembling display of outraged moral indignation

They love the odds. They get 111 guys on their football team, only need 2 yards for a first down, can use their hands on offense, can fumble and pick it up after the whistle has blown, get 6 points for a field goal - etc. and they still yell about it all being unfair.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:24 am)

Yeah, what an obvious racket it is.

They get shot down on their claims of massive amounts of Jews' money supposedly being hidden in Swiss bank accounts, then, after their own lawyers steal the 'shut-up & go away' money that the Swiss through at them (in spite of the lack of claimed accounts), they sue the Swiss for 'Nazi ties'. Once you start paying shysters they'll always come back for more. It always comes down to money.

What a scam the judeo-supremacists have going for themselves.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:58 pm)

Even if this case is one of the statistical average actual cases of malfeasance Volker found in his investigation, it still doesn't change anything Finkelstein wrote in his damning book 'The Holocaust Industry'. The book is so damning in content and title that it can't be mentioned by the Times. Volker found that these actual cases of bank wrongdoing during the holocaust varied no more from average for all banks in the world. In other words, in a case where there probably was real war-time pressure to cut corners on property transfer to the party in power, the Swiss managed to stay within a statistical average that holds true for even the US and Israel today. Volker found very few actual cases of Swiss wrongdoing in his half billion dollar, multi-year investigation. This wasn't mentioned in the Times either.


What is most important in this pure spin propaganda, front page article is their mention of how the fund managed to give away only 250 million of the 1.25 billion dollar settlement. This, of course, is exactly in line with Finkelstein's accusation that the extra 1 billion wasn't owed to anyone. If you are familiar with this case, they even had trouble finding any real victims for the 250 million they did manage to give away. The settlement was essentially an extortion of the Swiss. Times doesn't mention the left-over billion, or how the Swiss settled because US politicians threatened a multi 100 billion boycott of Swiss pension fund investments.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:03 pm)

In reply to Radar's recap -

The Jews came up with some 15 to 20 thousand names of persons claiming accounts in the Swiss banks. When the Swiss did a comprehensive search they only found two (2). When that brought on a lot more bellowing they did another one and still only came up with two (2).

Then the bellowing changed to the Swiss owed the money because they aided and abetted the Germans.

Poetically, exemplifying how democracy, real democracy is the enemy of the Holocaust community, when the Jews wanted MORE it was put up for a popular referendum to be voted on and the outcome was NO.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:24 pm)

Not to mention that the person that headed the whole thing for the World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfmann Jr. Owned a Hollywood media conglomerate at the time.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:26 am)

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Not to mention that the person that headed the whole thing for the World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfmann Jr. Owned a Hollywood media conglomerate at the time.


Then there was another player - Singer (First name no recalled). The said he lost 120 relatives in the Holocaust. Claiming over 100 relatives lost is quite common in the Holocaust community.

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Postby soda » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:52 am)

It's interesting to note Eichmanns papers from 1938 corroborate much of this.

From conversations with Kastner, of the Hungarian Jewish League, there are dozens of documents and witnesses who talk about Eichmanns trade with Swiss banks, and the theft of millions of dollars worth of Jewsh account holders money.

Check Arendts "Eichmann in Jerusalem" for this - it includes a series of statements from Eichmann about these, made both before and after he visited Palestine.

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Postby oberststuhlherr » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:04 am)

I have to say, the topic header is quite significant in its own right. It's truly amazing that this one topic can survive in the headlines for 60 years. If you were to mention the Sudetendeutsche to the average American, he would probably look at you dumbfounded. If you explained what happened to these people just months after VE day, you will probably hear some kind of rationalization suggesting 'they deserved it'.

The Holocaust is a modern religious belief similar to the book of Esther.
"From October 1928 the two largest regular contributors to the Nazi Party were ... of Jewish faith, and one of them the leader of Zionism in Germany." Brüning, 1937

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Postby soda » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:37 am)

To an American, yes, possibly, Oberts.

But travel around Poland, Hungary and Central Europe and you will find the oral and written histories of Sudetenlanders, like those of Prussia, Silesia, Bukovina and the other engulfed peoples still very much alive, and very well documented.

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:33 pm)

It's interesting to note Eichmanns papers from 1938 corroborate much of this.

From conversations with Kastner, of the Hungarian Jewish League, there are dozens of documents and witnesses who talk about Eichmanns trade with Swiss banks, and the theft of millions of dollars worth of Jewsh account holders money.


Soda:

You need to read The Holocaust Industry by Norman Finkelstein. Your post is a perfect example of the hearsay evidence that was used to extract 1.25 billion from Swiss banks.

First of all 1938 is before the events in question. So, when you cite documents from 1938 you are referring to something that isn't relevant. Hungary wasn't relevant until late in the war.

The Swiss Bank suit wasn't based on any of these things anyway. It was based on allegations that Swiss bankers were currently concealing existing holocaust-era accounts. Read the book. It explains it in deep detail. The holocaust industry pressed to settle quickly because they knew a genuine review of Swiss transactions would vindicate the Swiss. The original claim by the industry was 20 billion based on 800,000 to 1,000,000 survivors. Finkelstein calculated that at most only 14,000 camp victims could still be alive, and that the most that could possibly be owed theoretically was 200 million, but that it was probably much lower than that. But these figures involved no Swiss wrongdoing. When Finkelstein complained to the industry that it was quoting crazy numbers they denied it. Finkelstein then sent them copies of their own claims. They didn't return his letters.

A commission was set up to investigate the charges. The Volker Committee spent several years and over a half-billion dollars scrutinizing Swiss bank records. They actually found that most Swiss bank accounts suspected of belonging to holocaust victims were available to their holders. The average value was a few hundred dollars. While the industry was accusing the Swiss of perfidy and deliberate conspiracy in hiding accounts, they actually found that the Swiss preserved the majority WWII-era records when they could have destroyed them by law. Volker found only a small handful of cases where Swiss bank officials obstructed legal holders from accessing their accounts. He noted that these cases conformed to the average malfaesance rate for all banks anywhere.

Meanwhile holocaust victims have been compensated more than any other victimized people in history. European nations have paid 100's of billions in reparations and compensation. No group has even come close. These compensations still continue.

I don't remember the Eichmann papers being mentioned in the suit. Or Kastner's documents. If these were so revealing, why weren't they used in the suit? The Swiss settled because the US threatened a 100's of billions boycott of Swiss pension funds. The guilt of the Swiss was never established in court. After they had settled Volker found them innocent. This wasn't covered in the media.


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