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Silencing Himmler / What were they afraid he would say?

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:48 pm)

It doesn't get much clearer than this. This is how SS Reichsfuehrer Heinrich Himmler was prevented from shooting down the lies.

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Postby Hotzenplotz » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:23 pm)

This is terrific. I guess Irving gets my vote for the best revisionist after all.
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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:40 pm)

All of this just goes to show that things can be and are covered up. Amazing.

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Postby steve » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:27 pm)

Man, this is huge!!

My brother and I always disagreed on whether HH committed suicide or not. I pointed out to him Butz's aparent belief that HH did NOT commit suicide. And the reason for silencing HH was because he could not nor would not be able to place the blame on the Big H on a superior, like many of the other Germans did. (You know the strategy, agree there was a Big H, but deny personal responsibility.) Nor could he claim ignorance. Of course, what Himmer could do was give a more realistic version of what happened, something the Hoax Liars would have wanted to avoid at all costs.

Naturaly, there may have been other reasons for killing Himmler, as Irving points out, but, with Himmler dead, it was easier to push the Big H Lie.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:02 pm)

Himmler knew too much about what was and what wasn't. He could not agree to lie in order to save his neck by passing if off on someone else. The buck stopped with him.

Allowing him to refute the alleged 'gas chambers', the '6,000,000', the 'codewords', and all the other absurd nonsense, could not be permitted. His murder speaks volumes about the lack of credibilty of the allegations against him.

I might also mention the fact that his personal diary is curiously 'missing'.

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Postby kk » 1 decade 5 years ago (Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:42 pm)

Could that be the reason of Hess' detention and his murder in prison?
It seems absurd that the Soviet Union (read Russia) needed to keep an old Nazi in solitary confintment for so long and then murder him.

Himmler's and Hess' destinies seem to be intertwined to my eyes.

Metaphysics aside, there must be a historical link there.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:30 am)

Imagine the world perspective change that would have occurred if Himmler was allowed to tell of the peace overtures initiated by Hitler with Britain, the pleas by Hitler that there be no civilians targeted in bombing raids, the fact that Britiain was the initiator of these war crimes, and more.

Add that to the 'gas chamber' & '6,000,000' nonsense that Himmler would have blown away in a heartbeat, and you have Germans that all the sudden appear not so evil.

Revisionists and anyone with a tendency towards truth and logic should run with this. It's a great example of how the court historians have failed us and have corrupted themselves by accepting the propaganda thrown them by those with a vested interest in maintaining the lies.

Let the judeo-supremacist Lipstadts whine all they like, Irving has just put himself back on the map.

Revisionism, it's time has come.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:58 am)

Is Irving himself credited with this discovery?

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Postby semblance7 » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:15 am)

The man, obviously, was rife with secrets that 'didn't want to come out'. Irving, however, suggests it was Churchill's negotiation for peace with Himmler that brought about his demise -

Irving (same article)

Quite so: Britain's secret agents had secretly and criminally liquidated one of the most wanted men in history, for whose proper public trial and punishment the blood of millions of his victims cried out: and for no other visible reason than to conceal that for a few days toward the end of the war, Churchill had negotiated with him on peace terms.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:47 am)

Well semblance, as I mentioned, that was a factor, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.

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Postby semblance7 » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:05 am)

Yep. You're probably right, Hannover.

Anyone have an opinion as to 'public repercusions' that may occur as a result of this bombshell?

Sadly, I would suggest probably not much.
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:32 pm)

Some things seem fishy though:

Why is there no mention of this on BBC website or on CNN website?

And for such big news, why does Irving have the story of the auctioning of paintings on his website above the Himmler article?

And why is there no mention of who found the documents. What bundle they are part of. Why no declassification stamp? In fact why would they even be declassified?
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By the way, the mention of the PWE committee. Psychological warfare?

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:15 pm)

The language in the memos does seem a bit too good to be true. Can you imagine the BBC reporting on denier Irving? If this does make it to the mainstream media it will be interesting to see hwo it is handled.

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:46 pm)

There is also not a word about this in the German media (Der Spiegel, FAZ). It is however discussed on German Usenet news groups.

The general assumption there is, that Himmler was aware of German attempts to finish the war at an earlier date and thus saving millions of lifes.
The goal of the USA and England was the total destruction of Germany and to blame the Germans afterwards for being solely responsible for the war.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:27 pm)

I can't imagine the 'media' saying much about this. The implications are enormous and they know it. Afterall, they've never printed information from Revisionist sources before, why would they start now? And that is what this information is; Revisionism, plain & simple.

The documents are supported by other facts which Irving mentions AND supported by blockbuster information that is to be read/seen in Joseph Bellinger's soon to be released book on Himmler; note that Bellinger is mentioned in Irving's comments.

Yep, you read it here first. Bellinger's book will be published any day now in Germany first .... that's obviously before Irving's work, which is in progress. I can tell you that it is an incredible piece of work. There are good reasons why Irving was so impressed with Bellinger when Bellinger spoke at Irving's 1999 Cincinnati Real History Conference.

I will say more about this in a separate thread. Stay tuned

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