Irving charged with questioning Auschwitz gas chambers

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:43 pm)

Haldan reports:
Irving's website has been changed. The news article about his arrest is gone. Maybe we will hear from him soon?


Could be the first step to deactivation of his site altogether. Most likely if a deal is struck for his release it would involve his ceasing and desisting from any further Holocaust denial. That would include his deactivating his website.

Irving at the cross roads. Will he attack or retreat? So far it appears some retreating.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:32 am)

I am still getting the news about his arrest.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index.html

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:01 am)

Most likely if a deal is struck for his release it would involve his ceasing and desisting from any further Holocaust denial. That would include deactivating his website.

The Canadian Immigration Judge asked Zundel to deactivate his site and Zundel said he did not own or control the content so he could not comply. If Zundel owned it he may not have complied as he has strong convictions. Pre-1987 Irving did not talk or write about the alleged extermination of Jews other than things like he did not find a Hitler written order. It would take him one day to clease his site to remove extermination references and concentrate on his published books and new research. But would he do this to be released?

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Nov 28, 2005 1:00 pm)

Mmm, yes. Now it appears to be back again...Odd.

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Richard Perle wrote:I am still getting the news about his arrest.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index.html
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Postby al_aks » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:59 pm)

Much ado about nothing ( as I evaluate PR mess. )

Hello, all

I think that PR-mills assosiated with late "Irving's statements"
are baseless and had zero-level newse to be used to
identify REAL Irving position for "gas chambers".

Pls. read it carefully

But Irving's lawyer, Elmar Kresbach, said Thursday the historian
has told him he now acknowledges that Nazi gas chambers existed.


and what??? Does it mean that he ( Irving ) acknowledged that it (gas chambers) was used to kill 6 000 000 jews, or may be 1 jew???? - Defenitely not. So - this statements lacks info. and should be treated within classical linquo-typology - Much ado about nothing.



He said additional research Irving carried out after formerly Soviet archives were opened to scholars persuaded him that his former beliefs were "not really worthwhile to hold up," Kresbach said.


Just after Irving's Moscow visit - he wrote that "colossal" bands of Israel's
mythology backers visited Moskow's central archive ( just before him ) to fish so called "holoCOST evidence". But according to logs they rested there
( for docs they really requested ) - NOTHING was FOUND as a
documented proof for the HoloCost mythology concept that "gas chambers" were used as a special tool for killing jews.


To my knowledge - Stalin ordered SMERSH to make some "forgery" photos to be used as evidence for gas-style mass-killings. BUT THESE STEPS
( to my knowledge ) were MADE because it was requested
by Churchill ( FDR frequently used this fatman to transfer
some proposals of well-known mighty jewish US lobby, and Stalin was
highly interested in jewish finanCial loans to restore occupied land
had been occupied and totally destroyed by German troops ).
It seems to me that it was a great Stalin Mistake. ( Poker-game
with westernees and jewish lobby was and is a real danger ! ).


PS. if you know Russian - you will be surpised by some "evidence"
radio-aired in 2005
( just before well-known global Auschwitz's -2005 "shabath" ).
Its a story of russian woman about her polish aunt
(polish-jewess who was detained ( but lived ) in Auchwitzs since 1944 , allegedly - member of Warsaw's uprising member ).


http://chubaisiada2.narod.ru/Blad_how_to_use_it.mp3


Bit off-topic
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Barrington James wrote -

despite the fact Stalin would soon prove to be a far greater war criminal than Hitler.

What does it means ???? What a single war crime was comitted by Stalin ???
Excuse me, but I dont know even one.

Thank you.
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Postby bridgebuilder » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:32 pm)

What war crimes did Stalin order? The gang rape of every German female east of the Elbe might do for starters.

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Postby comrade seinfeld » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:15 pm)

Isn't it likely that Irving would be well aware that he would have been arrested if he entered Austria -- on what basis I am not quite clear, since he would not have simply sneaked across the border? Surely Irving would realise that where there are terrorist alerts anyone entering a nation like Austria would be closely watched, and that once they had detected who it was, then the Austrians would have no choice but to act on their anti-denier laws.

I have always thought that in relation to the Libstadt libel trial that Irving knew quite well that he could not expect an English High Court judge to commit professional suicide by supporting him, so that, no matter what the cost, it was in the interests of professional publicity for himself that he go ahead with the trial, and it seems that he did not do too badly out of it all. The same could apply with the present trial that he will have to face in Austria, and it probably motivated by the fact that his biography of Himmler is about to be published by his agents, and it would be good publicity for it.

In the tradition of the supposed German war criminals who survived by going along with what the Allied prosecutors wanted, Irving will probably recant any denier sentiments, in order to either avoid completely a prison sentence, or at least to receive only a light sentence. As I say, it is simply beyond belief that Irving would seriously believe that he could enter both Germany and Austria and not be detected, since both governments would be closely watching out for terrorists, no matter for how short a time . And Irving would be quite justified in taking this ploy since the anti-denier laws are quite illiberal and beyond the pale as far as free speech is concerned.

At the present time Irving's website is basically accessible, and anyone who is interested can see that only recently Irving was affirming that he did not believe there were homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz, so that it is complete nonsense to actually believe that he has changed his mind in this regard. Presumably Irving believes that his prosecutors would not deign to actually read his website, and what is said about him on other "Holocaust" discussion forums.

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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:13 pm)

al_aks wrote: Bit off-topic
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Barrington James wrote: -

despite the fact Stalin would soon prove to be a far greater war criminal than Hitler.

What does it means ???? What a single war crime was comitted by Stalin ???
Excuse me, but I dont know even one.

Thank you.


Dear Al- How about the invasion of Poland? The destruction of The Ukraine, the war againt Christianity that killed million of Christians, thousands of Christian churches, priests and nuns ,the destrcution of East Prussia after the war, and the destruction of the German Nationals trapped behind the iron curtain after the war for starters.

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Postby gasto » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:37 am)

I too agree with the fact that Stalin didn´t commit war crimes....He comitted crimes against humanity..
If Human Soap rumour was fake, why can´t all the other absurd claims be too??

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Postby Moderator » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:57 am)

OK, we're not going to debate the origins of WWII here. A couple of posts were deleted for that very reason. Stay on topic please.
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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:09 pm)

TMoran,

Now Irving's website displays this message:

401 Authorization Required

This doesn't bode well.

-haldan

TMoran wrote:Haldan reports:
Irving's website has been changed. The news article about his arrest is gone. Maybe we will hear from him soon?


Could be the first step to deactivation of his site altogether. Most likely if a deal is struck for his release it would involve his ceasing and desisting from any further Holocaust denial. That would include his deactivating his website.

Irving at the cross roads. Will he attack or retreat? So far it appears some retreating.
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Postby ant » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:28 am)

I doubt that these laws were in force in Austria back in the 80's. If not they are being applied retrospectively, to offenses that were legal when they were committed. In civilised countries that would not be allowed.


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