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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:46 pm)

grenadier wrote:Turpitz wrote:
Hi Turpitz, could you give us a source about open air cremations - not using incinarators - of diseased animals? One that gives the details about
the results of this kind of open air cremation? Frankly, just using common
sense, it seems that, as you have said, the animals wouldn't burn completely. I have not been able to find the specifics on the Internet though.

Mattogno wrote a book about it:

"Auschwitz, Open Air Incineration"

It can be downloaded from Rudolf's site.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:14 am)

Turpitz wrote:But I do remember no silly holes in the ground were dug though, the only way they could cremate them was by building massive hearths made out of creosote soaked seasoned timbers (imported from all over Europe, by the hundred of thousands) and lorry load after lorry load of raw coal (as coke is useless) Also burnt was all the bedding and foodstuffs.

These pyres consisted on average of two-hundred animals of various species and the fires would burn for up to two weeks. Fires would only smoulder especially if the weather was bad. Many half burnt animals had to be taken of the pyres after two weeks and put onto new ones because they did not burn at all well.


Shockingly primitive! :o Especially when you know that they could have used the Nazi Way of Evil Incineration™, enabling them to pile up several hundreds of cows either in a ditch or on a grate of rails, reaching a height of up to 10 meters, then putting them alight hardly without using any fuel and having them completely burnt to ashes within a day or so. :lol:

Bergmann wrote:Mattogno wrote a book about it:

"Auschwitz, Open Air Incineration"

It can be downloaded from Rudolf's site.


Yes, it's right here (still only available as a PDF file however):

http://vho.org/dl/ENG/aoai.pdf

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:14 am)

We are told:

But - HCN is far more effective on warm-blooded animals (including humans) than on insects, so the period of exposure to HCN is far longer for delousing clothes than that required for homicidal gassings, and a much lower concentration is necessary to kill people instead of insects.

A concentration of up to 16,000 ppm (parts per million) is sometimes used, with exposure times of up to 72 hours, to kill insects, but as little as 300 ppm will cause death in humans within fifteen minutes or so.



But then we are also told:


This method was tried out in the summer of 1941 in the coal-cellars of Block XI on about 250 patients from the hospital blocks and about 600 prisoners-of-war. After the victims had been put there, the windows of the cellars were covered with earth, and afterwards an SS-man in a gas-mask poured the contents of a can of cyclon on the floor and locked the door. Next afternoon Palitsch, wearing a gasmask, opened the door and found that some of the prisoners were still alive.



These people were subjected to a full can of Zyklon for at least half a day - yet, we are told some of the prisoners were still alive.

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:06 am)

That Nizkor article claims that there’s a big difference between civilian and military/industrial crematoria. There’s no such thing as a military/industrial crematoria. The Krema’s used the same technology with the same sort of firebrick. The only difference was the triple muffle furnaces, which had a small thermal efficiency over a single muffle. The amount of thermal energy required to reduce a corpse is the same in both situations, the number of bodies being burned is irrelevant. The eight muffle furnaces at Krema’s IV and V were a failure.

A crematory cannot be run for days, as the Nizkor article claims. The furnace HAS to be cooled down for clinker removal and other maintenance in a 24 hour cycle.

His claim that Monowitz supplied fuel for the Krema’s is rubbish. The furnaces ran on coke, coal heated in a kiln to remove impurities. There was no kiln at Monowitz/Buna. Monowitz/Buna was still under construction when the Russians came, and didn’t produce rubber until after the war. Methanol (NOT synthetic oil!) was produced, but that is irrelevant, since the Krema’s could not possibly have run on methanol (too explosive, and no forced-spray burner apparatus). Outdoor cremations also could not have been done with methanol, which evaporates too quickly and burns too fast, and, in the winter, would not have burned at all.

Surrounded by coal mines, in theory, Birkenau should never have had a fuel shortage, but as has been pointed out by others, the records of coke deliveries have survived, and are not sufficient for the scale of cremations claimed, and the coke storage facilities at the Krema’s were far too small.

There was no ordinary POW camp in the Auschwitz complex. Auschwitz itself began as a POW camp for Russians, but that had changed by mid-1941. Only two British airman ended up at Auschwitz, partly by bureaucratic error, and they saw nothing incriminating.

The lack of blue staining at the remains of the Krema’s is the big argument between Rudolph and Green, and is centered around the “kinetics”, how fast Prussian Blue would form under those conditions. Enough of Krema’s II and III have survived to make a determination, and in the case of IV and V, the floors there are still original, and if excavated, could be tested for Prussian Blue salts. Prussian Blue when fixed in masonry is stable for centuries, regardless of exposure to the elements, and even if too little formed to be visible to the naked eye, it could be detected by microscopic examination. None has ever been found, not even one little crystal. The examinations of the Jan Sehn Institute are useless, since they ran tests that deliberately excluded Prussian Blue. The cyanide they found – only on the second try – was claimed to be above background levels, but Monowitz today is one of the biggest synthetic rubber factories in the world, spewing out air pollution in the form of methyl cyanide and vinyl cyanide, precursor chemicals to rubber production, which explains the cyanide they found. Any water-soluable cyanide compound from the 1940’s would have dissolved years ago, even if in a protected area, since Auschwitz, being in a swamp, is in a very humid area. The only cyanide from the 1940’s that could have survived would have to be in the form of Prussian Blue.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:50 pm)

Methanol (NOT synthetic oil!) was produced, but that is irrelevant


Well hold on a minute, because methanol is a derivative of wood, so if the Huns were felling all these forests, then why make synthetic methanol? If they had to make synthetic methanol (also poisonous and corrosive) then that tells me they were not felling trees.

After trying to understand the concoction of lies the industry comes out with, I find it hard to think straight after five minutes. I mean try getting your head around this methanol and lumberjack lark...enough to drive you insane.

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:16 pm)

Methonal can be derived from coal too, which, after all, is a carbonized form of wood.

During World War II, to stretch fuel supplies, German engines ran on gasohol, if I remember correctly, a mixture of 15 percent methonal and 85 percent gasoline. Brazil now uses a 50-50 mixture, I believe.

Ultimately, Monowitz would have provided synthetic rubber, methonal, synthetic petroleum products and even fertilizer, but it never got that far.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:28 pm)

Methonal can be derived from coal too, which, after all, is a carbonized form of wood.


Well that's true, but let us just clarify this. The Germans were not using coal or timber to produce methanol, but were making synthetic methanol because they had no fuel?

So what was used for the open air pyres then?!?

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Postby PLAYWRIGHT » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:15 pm)

Sigh.

To clarify:

At Monowitz, the water gas plant WAS completed. Water gas is water in the form of steam forced through a glowing bed of hot coal, burning in a low oxygen environment. The result is carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrogen (H2). When you pass the water gas through a catalyst, you can create methanol. Note that COAL is a big part of the process.

Synthetic oil and rubber is made through the Bergius process, which also uses water gas, and lots more coal, but the Bergius reactors were never finished. The methanol they made at Monowitz went to synfuel factories in the Reich, where it was combined with gasoline to make gasohol.

For the open air cremations, they used wood. There were very few open air cremations, all in the back yard of Krema V, and Mattagno in "Open-Air Cremations" lists the amount of wood that was delivered for this purpose, the records survived, and it wasn't all that much. In an open air cremation, methanol would be of little help. In cold weather, it won't burn. In normal weather, it vaporizes too quickly and burns too fast, scorching and carbonizing the outer surface of a corpse and actually making it harder to burn. Cremation requires long periods of exposure at a constant temperature. Using methanol to get a wood fire started makes some sense, especially if the wood is green, but after it's started, it wouldn't be of much use.

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Postby Blue 88 » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:27 pm)

Although methanol is wood alcohol, originally made from the destructive distillation of wood, it is never made that way today except perhaps as a college chemistry exercise. Coal provided the source of carbon for methanol and synthetic oil and gasoline. Carbon monoxide would have been amply produced as well, which makes one wonder why the Germans used Zyklon-B insecticide for killing people.

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Postby Goethe » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:57 pm)

Blue 88:
Carbon monoxide would have been amply produced as well, which makes one wonder why the Germans used Zyklon-B insecticide for killing people.

They didn't, but you really knew that.
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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Feb 12, 2006 3:32 am)

in the case of IV and V, the floors there are still original, and if excavated, could be tested for Prussian Blue salts.



These floors are very important because they are in gas chambers that never had any [alleged] Kula Columns. This means the Zyklon pellets had to be poured into the chamber and on to the floor. (Crema I also)

If we review a gassing, such a pellet delivery would have resulted in some of the victims falling on top of the outgassing pellets. Either way, these pellets could not have been withdrawn back up the column as Dr Green claims in morgues II and III.

This is important because these pellets would have outgassed in direct contact with the concrete floor for a substantial period. The cyanide concentration in the interface between the pellets and the concrete would have been 100%. Furthermore, there would probably be an additional chemical reaction between the concrete and the cyanide simply because it was escaping the carrier material while in contact with the concrete.

Let's review a gassing in these chambers. After the bodies had fallen the pellets would lie under some of the corpses and in the spaces around the remaining corpses. Since we are being told of large numbers being gassed in the chambers, it is reasonable to assume these corpses would have been packed tightly. So the sondercommandos who went in would have been confronted with outgassing cyanide from pellets they couldn't have removed. The corpses furthest in would have had pellets outgas the longest.

If we then go to Dr Green's explanation of the chemical science we find he completely omits any mention of this process in Crema's IV and V. Since we now understand that a completely different scenario of pellet interaction with the chamber materials occurred in these chambers it becomes obvious the floor concrete would have had significant cyanide exposure.

I think we can imagine why Dr Green avoids these chambers.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:54 am)

For the open air cremations, they used wood.


Thank you, been on a Zionist wild Goose chase and have ended up going full circle back to using wood, like I submitted in the beginning of this thread, which I do not believe either.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Feb 12, 2006 5:03 am)

are in gas chambers that never had any Kula Columns.


No morgues had "chicken wire things" they are a complete fabrication in an attempt by lying Zionist's to turn crude, basic morgues into "factories of death" and may I say that they have failed miserably.


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