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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:37 am)

Does anyone know whether Reiger and Stolz are still with Zündel? Or have they been thrown out by the judge?

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:57 am)

ASMarques wrote:Does anyone know whether Reiger and Stolz are still with Zündel? Or have they been thrown out by the judge?


Mannheim. So ungestört hat der Vorsitzende Richter im Prozess gegen den
Holocaust-Leugner Ernst Zündel noch nie sprechen können. Mehr als eine
Stunde lang begründet Ulrich Meinerzhagen akribisch, warum er die
Verteidigerin des 66 Jahre alten Rechtsextremisten von dem Verfahren vor
dem Mannheimer Landgericht ausschließen will
- und sie fällt ihm nur
wenige Male ins Wort. Dabei geht es genau um ihre "fortgesetzten
Störungen", wie der Richter mit brüchiger Stimme erklärt, und um ihr
"hartnäckiges Missachten" seiner Anweisungen: "Sie drohte das Verfahren
zur Farce zu machen."


I think this means that Stolz has been thrown out. Can anyone confirm?

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 3 years ago (Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:04 pm)

ASMarques wrote:Is she married? :oops:

It is Fräulein Stolz.

Fräulein Stolz: "Ich übe ein Notwehrrecht für Ernst Zündel und das Deutsche Reich aus."
(I perform a right for self defence for Ernst Zündel and the German Nation)

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:09 am)

Laurentz Dahl wrote:
... warum er die
Verteidigerin des 66 Jahre alten Rechtsextremisten von dem Verfahren vor dem Mannheimer Landgericht ausschließen will - ...


I think this means that Stolz has been thrown out. Can anyone confirm?

This means that the judge wants to throw her out.
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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:11 am)

ClaudiaRothenbach wrote:
Laurentz Dahl wrote:
... warum er die
Verteidigerin des 66 Jahre alten Rechtsextremisten von dem Verfahren vor dem Mannheimer Landgericht ausschließen will - ...


I think this means that Stolz has been thrown out. Can anyone confirm?

This means that the judge wants to throw her out.


Thanks! I read German fairly well but the article as a whole was a bit confusing to me. Good to hear that Stolz hasn't been thrown out.

Does anyone know if the last hearing dates will be on the 16th and 24th of March as previously scheduled?

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:35 am)

Based on what I know about the German rules for these cases it is only a matter of time before Stolz will be thrown out and I imagine Ernst and his defense realize this. They are making sure that everyone can see that the whole proceeding is a farce. There is some value in this since a real defense is impossible. Stolz is a person of great courage because she herself may now be prosecuted by these neo-Stalinists.

I also found it significant that the prosecutor was quoted a saying that Ernst could not be hero or a martyr or something like that if no one heard about him. Do you want to know why the "trial" is not being reported in the western media? There is your answer.

Finally, I strongly recommend Germar Rudolf's comments about the German legal system sprinkled throughout his excellent book "Lectures on the Holocaust". They make it clear that it is impossible to conduct a defense within that unjust system. It remains to be seen how Germar will defend his case when it starts but the implication is that he will remain silent. We shall see.

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Postby FREE ZUNDEL NOW » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:20 pm)

Here Paul Fromm sheds light on the latest Zundel Trial developments --


March 13, 2006
More Attacks on Defence Team: Zundel Trial Adjourned for At Least Another Month

Dear Free Speech Supporter:

Lady Michele Renouf, noted actress, author and supporter of free speech, attended this month's installment of the trial of German political prisoner and pacifist publisher Ernst Zundel. After a stormy one-day session, March 9, at the court in Mannheim, the trial was adjourned indefinitely, but, at the very least, for another month. The courtroom was packed with Zundel supporters who gave the man who has been a political prisoner in Canada, the U.S. and now Germany enthusiastic and prolonged applause. Much of the hearing involved acrimonious attacks by the Judge Meinerzhagen on defence lawyer Sylvia Stolz. Mr. Zundel's defence team - his own lawyers, as opposed to the state appointed ones - include Austrian lawyer Dr. Schaller, Jurgen Reiger and Miss Stolz. Advisor Horst Mahler, who has had his passport seized lest he travel to Tehran to attend a planned symposium to examine evidence of the "holocaust" is forced to sit, like a bad schoolboy, with the audience.

Most of the day was consumed by arguments between Miss Stolz and Judge . Essentially, the defence wants the State to produce legal proof of the "holocaust" - proof being required in any other proceeding under German law. The judge wants to take judicial notice or recognize the "obviousness" of this event, the historical questioning of which is the nub of the intrepid German publisher's alleged offence. The judge furiously insisted that Miss Stolz cannot be allowed to continue to represent Mr. Zundel as she is too much in support of her client. In most countries, that would be considered laudable," Lady Michele observes tartly. However, even the hint of questioning the state religion of "holocaust" is, itself, a crime.

Lady Michele noted that the judge listened when defence lawyer Rieger spoke, but seemed to ignore or doze when Miss Stolz addressed him. However, on several occasions, he became livid with rage, "got hysterical, leaped up and screamed and left the room for half an hour," Lady Michele reports.

Lady Michele arranged through Mr. Rieger for permission from the judge for her and a Canadian couple of Zundel supporters to visit Mr. Zundel in prison. When they arrived, they learned that there was no translator - a requirement in order to monitor any foreign language visitors. Eventually, only the male Canadian supporter was allowed in, as he could speak some German. Lady Michele had asked that she and the man's wife be allowed to visit, if they agreed not to talk to Mr. Zundel, "as it would please him."

"It would please him" the prison authority sneared and denied the request.

Prison bureaucracies are the same shits everywhere.

Paul Fromm Director CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR FREE EXPRESSION

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:15 am)

An update from the ZundelSite:

Several important developments have occurred in the Ernst Zundel Saga - and much more is yet to come.

Very briefly: The trial in Mannheim has been postponed again - this time indefinitely. So far, in 6 or 7 hearing days, all the time was taken up with questions about protocol and about whether or not Ernst's attorneys might not be as politically correct as is expected - only the charges were being read.

There will not be another trial date for 3 or 4 weeks. We will keep you posted.

http://www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persec ... 15-06.html

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:17 am)

An enlightening letter from Horst Mahler to Ingrid Rimland regarding the judicial situation (the interesting bit is in the first half, the rest is more of a political rant):

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissen ... olz3_1.htm

Also, it seems like Sylvia Stolz has actually been removed from Zündel's defense, but that she is going to appeal.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 3 years ago (Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:10 pm)

From above-linked article:

For a single instance of “Denying Holocaust” that occurred 16 years ago, David Irving has been sentenced to 3 years without probation. This is wonderful news! It is the death knell of § 130 III StGB (Paragraph 130 Article III of the Penal Code -- the “Holocaust Denial statute".) Foreign domination of the Reich is beginning to falter.


How does he reason that?

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Postby Kiwichap » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:18 pm)

"Resistance! The German people are rising up," Stolz shouted as she was taken from the room.

Sylvia Stolz, physically removed from the court room.

http://www.thestar.com/.....
Lawyer bodily removed from Zundel trial
Apr. 5, 2006. 12:14 PM

MANNHEIM, Germany (AP) — A defence lawyer of far-right activist Ernst Zundel, charged with denying the Holocaust, was physically carried from the courtroom Wednesday after defying a ruling banning her from the trial on grounds she tried to sabotage the proceedings.

Two female police officers had to carry Sylvia Stolz from the Mannheim courtroom after she refused the judge's order to leave.

"Resistance! The German people are rising up," Stolz shouted as she was taken from the room.

Some of the scores of supporters of Zundel, a 66-year-old German deported from Canada, also quit the courtroom. Zundel, who emigrated to Canada in 1958 and lived in Toronto and Montreal until 2001, has been standing trial since November on charges of years of anti-Semitic activities including denying the Holocaust — a crime in Germany — in documents and on the Internet.

The presiding judge halted the trial on March 9 to ask for Stolz's removal after she denounced the court as a "tool of foreign domination" and described the Jews as an "enemy people" in earlier sessions.


How come she has not been thrown in prison like Zundel?

Surely the the denounciation: "she denounced the court as a tool of foreign domination and described the Jews as an "enemy people" is as damming as anything Zundel has ever said.

'German Resistance rising', lets hope so.
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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:52 pm)

Today or yesterday, Sylvia Stolz was carried out of the courtroom. Stolz was apparently excluded from the court by Judge Meinerzhagen but she appeared in court anyway; thus she was carried out by two guards.

Sylvia Stolz is a very brave woman.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 3 years ago (Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:54 pm)

I would even be sceptical that she made that comment about Jews as "enemy people." I've seen too many articles where a comment like that is casually thrown in at the end of an article. Most recently with Iranian President Ahmaninajad, where every article about his holocaust denial, always said in the last two or three sentences, that he called for the destruction of Israel.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 decade 3 years ago (Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:31 am)

What a Bolshevik sham! A true representation of our post-war democracies in full swing. It must be the neo-cons again?!

I do not doubt this Women said these words. After her time with them it does not suprise me in the least that this is the impression they left upon her, It is an impression they have left on a great many throughout history also.

I sometimes think the Americans might well adopt this attitude after another batch of Zionist spies or embezzelers get caught robbing them blind, or turning their constitution to crap, but it seems they rejoice in remaining silent and being shit on!

Hitler once said 'He wished his generals had been as courageous as his Women.'

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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:34 am)

Here is a translation summary of “Was macht eigentlich Zündel?” (What is the latest about Zündel) which I just posted in the German section;

"As was expected, the judge reject all applications by the defense from the trial day before and maintained that Zündel was co-originator of the Zündel site and that Mrs. Rimland would anyway only lie during an interrogation!

The judge claimed that R.A. Rieger, Zündel’s defense attorney, is a “wüster” (awful) anti-Semite!

About the holy Holo he repeated for the nth time like a prayer wheel, that the Holocaust is “offenkundig” (evident), and that even Irving admitted in the meantime that there was a Holocaust.

And that Irving is anyway a “wüster” (terrible) anti-Semite, Neonazi, revisionist and a far right extremist.

The judge maintained further, that Germany did not influence the USA and Canada to deport Zündel – “unfaßbar” (incredible)!

A witness of the prosecution was the infamous former state-prosecutor Hans Heiko Klein, who not only acted without dignity, but maintained “dummdreist” (in a primive way) that the secrete service never played a part, allthough the defense lawyer R.A. Bock told him that he had regularly meetings with the CSIS according to the files.

On the question whether Zündel could have been deported to another country, Klein responded that Zündel came “heim ins Reich” (back to the fatherland). A defense lawyer would have been seriously been punished if he would have said that!

He responded about the Leuchter- and Rudolf Reports, that these were “Sondermüll” (special garbage), although he was unable to come up with a counter argument. Except that it was not certain where Leuchter took the samples which were analyzed for Zyklon-B traces, but that he has anyway no desire to respond to such “dämliche” (stupid) questions.

Dr. Schaller of Zündler’s defense indicated to Klein, that he should also have collected exonerating events, what Klein of course not did.

When Dr. Schaller indicated that the mass graves in Treblinka were missing, Klein only answered, “that he does not discuss on this level”. That he only read the judgements of the Auschwitz- and Treblinka trials.

Defense lawyer Dr. Schaller indicated, that Klein does not think but only persecute. It also became known, that Klein failed as a lawyer for economics and planned to take on as a lawyer either for pornography or for politics, and that he unfortunately decided for the latter.

Dr. Schaller reminded Klein that an assignment to the BGH (German courts) does not free him from the independent search for the truth, to which Klein only laughed.

When the defense lawyer R.A. Bock pointed to Fridjof Meyer, Klein responded that he would not participate in the “üblen” (dirty) methods of dead body arithmetic. He did not accuse Meyer, because that belonged to a different legal area."

Source: http://groups.google.com/group/de.soc.p ... urce&hl=en

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