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12,000,000 Grand Total claimed / Double the Absurdity

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:05 am)

Generally, the Big Lie claims 11-12,000,000 grand total; 6M Jews + 5-6M 'others'.

The 'others' supposedly includes the equally unsupportable claims about homosexuals, gypsies, Jehovah Witnesses, etc. All have been thoroughly debunked here at The CODOH Revisionist Forum, it's no contest.

Aside from the fact that judeo-supremacists want the focus upon themselves, except when they bait the 'others' for support, the 11-12M total creates major problems, twice the problems in fact.

- The 'others' were supposedly murdered in the same fashion that Jews absurdly claim about themselves, it's now doubled.

- We have no human remains to support the story, now doubled.

- We have twice the mass graves that should exist, but don't.

- We have twice the documentation which should exist, but doesn't.

Imagine claiming that the cities of New York AND Los Angeles had disappeared without evidence of their disappearance.

That's the 'holocau$t' folks.

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurdity of the 'holocaust' story is the message.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:27 am)

But with the 5-6 million others, don't they usually mean by starvation, typhus etc? Not extermination? I've heard the claim with the Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals and the "Roma" but aren't the alleged numbers there just token?

It is amazing that with the Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, Roma, you never hear anything. I don't know of a single eyewitness who falls into those categories. Why didn't one of them write a book?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:17 am)

CCS:
But with the 5-6 million others, don't they usually mean by starvation, typhus etc? Not extermination? I've heard the claim with the Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals and the "Roma" but aren't the alleged numbers there just token?

No, they were allegedly sent to and murdered in the same camps that the Jews were allegedly murdered. And supposedly shot into pits by the Einsatzgruppen, like the Jews claim of themselves.

Token? No, not when you read the bizarre literature. The Gypsies claim 500,000 themselves. The Jehovah's witnesses were supposedly much less, and homosexuals eagerly claim upwards of 500,000. The Poles make some even wilder claims. Add to those a laundry list of 'holocau$t' victim wannabes and we end up with the 5-6,000,000, That's the claim.
The Holocaust is usually taught as the mass genocide of almost six million Jews in Europe during World War II. But, more than five million others were also persecuted, tortured, tattooed and killed.

It was only after I moved to the Los Angeles area several years ago that I realized that many people were not aware that millions of victims of the Holocaust were NOT Jewish. Outside the Polish community, I heard very little mention about the five million non-Jewish victims -- usually referred to as "the others".

http://www.holocaustforgotten.com


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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:46 am)

Hannover wrote:Token? No, not when you read the bizarre literature. The Gypsies claim 500,000 themselves. The Jehovah's witnesses were supposedly much less, and homosexuals eagerly claim upwards of 500,000. The Poles make some even wilder claims. Add to those a laundry list of 'holocau$t' victim wannabes and we end up with the 5-6,000,000, That's the claim.


The "bonus" five million figure (an arbitrary number most likely selected to not overshadow the sacred 6 (see Jewish numerology) million) claimed for gentile "Holocaust" victims is even more ephemeral and untenable than the 6M. It`s all leftovers mainly from Polish and Russian propaganda (they needed millions of holocausted Poles and Russians to arouse jingoistic fervor - the ordinary Russian or Pole wouldn`t care to much about the destinies of Jews) - notice how this 5 million figure is often repeated by the Media, but rarely mentioned by "Holocaust `scholars`" (it`s probably too embarassing for them...)

Where and how exactly those 5 million were holocausted is rarely if ever explained. Remember the downward revision of the Majdanek victim figure last year? From ca 1990 onwards, it was claimed that ca 270 000 people were murdered at Majdanek (post-1960 or so the same official figure was 360 000, while the earliest propaganda spoke about no less than 1.5 million Majdanek victims), whereof 50 000 Jews (the rest Poles and White Russians). Last year, the official figure was lowered to 78,000, whereof 59 000 Jews. This means that approx 200 000 non-Jews who, for a period of 60 years, were "thought" to have been killed at Majdanek, actually weren`t - according to the horse`s own stinky mouth!

An article from The Revisionist: "Polish Population Losses during World War Two" by Dr. Otward Muller

http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/2/Mueller151-156.html

The statements cited in the introduction are clearly formulated in such a manner that the average newspaper reader would believe the six-million-loss figure refers to ethnic Christian Poles. Yet, on the other hand, it ought to be recognized that there is a tendency, for example, in Polish propaganda to claim the losses of Polish Jews simultaneously as Polish losses. Thus, one can read in one of the official histories of Poland prepared by the Polish embassy in Washington, D.C., that Poland had endured heavy losses during the war, "including the total destruction of cities like Gdansk, Szczecin and Wroclaw." The destruction of the German cities of Danzig, Stettin and Breslau are therefore claimed here as "Polish losses." This is a plain example of the methodology of Polish propaganda. Historical justice, however, requires that Poland does not claim German and Jewish losses as "Polish losses."


Polish claims that "Six million Poles [...] a fifth of the entire population" were killed during the Second World War or became "victims of Nazi terror," have never been supported by facts by the Polish government. The same is true for the claim that "3 million Christian Poles" died.

The comparison between the pre- and post-war population statistics performed in this study shows that, on the contrary, the losses of the ethnic Christian Poles are relatively small. The 6- or 3-million-figures are exaggerations of propaganda which have spread worldwide, in order to 'justify' Poland's post-war policy of genocide of the German people, i.e., of the expulsion of the Eastern Germans with wholesale mass murder and the annexation of East Germany.

The actual losses are probably in the order of one tenth of the figures claimed.

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:37 am)

As far as I know there is only one book out that 'addresses' the 'other 6 million' as it's usually referred to. The book is titled, I believe, "The Other ..." something or other. I have it in my files some place and might even have a photo copy of it. It's about 7 by 8 inches, 150 pages or so and overlooking any lead in rhetoric and ensueing rhetoric there are only about 5 or 6 pages that carry any accounts.

Carto's Cutlass brings up a major point. Where are the testimonies and books by the likes of gypsies and Jahovah's witnesses?

It takes a certain ethic to come up with all the Jewish accounts which seems to be missing in the ethics of the rest of the world.

Aside from the one (1) book all we get for this alleged other 5 or 6 million are sentences here and there that claim the "other".

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Postby TMoran » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:36 am)

Here's another book which I had forgotten about -

http://www.remember.org/ina/victims.html

The Other Victims:
First Person Stories of Non-Jews Persecuted by the Nazis

(Copyright © 1990, Ina R. Friedman).

Looks like it was 'compiled' by a Jewish person.

Notice on the link it has "Chapter Four".

Seeing how it was written in a style as if written for children we could consider Ida's profile -

Stories of Courage and Survival for Children and Young Adults by ...Ina R. Friedman is a prize-winning author and storyteller known for her ability to ... Ina R. Friedman's storytelling/documentary video, Escape or Die, ...
www.inarfriedman.com/ - 10k - Cached - Similar pages


Going by that short and childish account we should get the idea the rest of the book is just like it and exemplifies the deep contempt the Holocaust community has for the intellect of the world.

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Postby Freeman » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue May 09, 2006 6:58 pm)

One of the most important comments on the eleven million figure came in 1999 in Peter Novick's "The Holocaust in American Life"." This is a mainstream book published by Houghton Mifflin Company. Mr. Novick, who is a professor of history, at the University of Chicago writes,

The eleven million figure -or, rather, the notion of five million 'other victims' of Nazism, added to six million Jews - makes no historical sense. Five million is either much too low (for all non-Jewish civilians killed by the Third Reich) or much too hight (for non-Jewish groups targeted, like Jews, for murder). Where did the number come from? Although there is no detailed paper trail, it's generally agreed that the figure of eleven million originated with Simon Wiesenthal, the renowned pursuer of Nazi criminals. How did he arrive at this figure? The Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer reports that Wiesenthal acknowledged to him in a private conversation that he simply invented it. He was, he once told a reporter, against 'dividing the victims': 'Since 1948,' Wiesenthal said, 'I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about six million Jewish dead, but rather about eleven million civilians dead, including six million Jews.
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Before the late seventies, few in the United States had ever heard of the figure "eleven million." Wiesenthal's fame in this country had to do with his exploits as a Nazi hunter, not as an interpreter of the Holocaust. This changed in 1977 when, in return for a subsidy for his program of tracking down war criminals, a California rabbi ordained the use of his name for what became a highly visible Holocaust institution, the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Inscribed at the entrance to the center's museum was a tribute to "six million Jews and to five million of other faiths"; center publications came to speak of "The Holocaust - six million Jews and five million non-Jews."

See especially pages 215-226.

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Postby Richard Perle » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue May 09, 2006 7:28 pm)

As CCS pointed out, if almost the same number of non-Jews died, then where are all the survivors. Theoretically there should be a similar number of these people as there are Jews, but we don't hear peep from them. At the very least this indicates, to put it nicely, a different way for each group of dealing with things.

The existence of almost double the victims brings up whole new problems with the logistics of killing and disposing of all of them.

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Re: 12,000,000 Grand Total claimed / Double the Absurdity

Postby Hannover » 9 years 4 months ago (Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:19 pm)

This relates well to:
'Origin of the 5 million non-Jews killed in holocaust lie'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6424

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Re: 12,000,000 Grand Total claimed / Double the Absurdity

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 9 years 4 months ago (Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:20 pm)

Yeah the more I think about it, it's to get more people on board, so then it's more of a conceptual topic not unlike those described in Kevin MacDonald's Culture of Critique. The Jewish Group Evolutionary Strategy that it's more of a moral high-ground concept that isn't just about Jews but Jews are involved. It's about Racism. "Hitler wanted to get rid of all non-Aryan 'undesirables'" Then it's like Jews and others. But as this thread points out, then there's all sorts of problems and things that don't make sense. I like the Richard Perle comment (I wish he still posted here!)
Theoretically there should be a similar number of these people as there are Jews, but we don't hear peep from them. At the very least this indicates, to put it nicely, a different way for each group of dealing with things.
Where is the one book like Elie Wiesel's Night? written by a Roma, Sinti, gay person, or Jehovah's Witness? And to make the logistics work at places like Auschwitz, they're already putting 3 people into a crematory oven when it properly holds one, and that's to come up with the Jewish figure of Jewish deaths.


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