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R.Muehlenkamp: 'gas chambers' were hosed down, so no cyanide

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:32 am)

Here is yet another landmine that Roberto Muehlenkamp and the anti-science True Believers walk onto.

Muehlenkamp, in order to rationalize the lack of cyanide residue in the alleged gas chambers, have come up with laughable assertion that the alleged gas chambers were hosed down after each gassing.

Check it out & have fun. My comments below.

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The claim that the walls were washed subsequent to gassings comes from eyewitnesses. Eyewitnesses are an acknowledged source of forensic evidence. The only other imaginable source would have been statements from perpetrators.
This is what the eyewitnesses stated:

Henry Tauber:
“The water tap was in the corridor and a rubber hose was run from it to wash the floor of the gas chamber...”

Filip Müller
“Normally the concrete floors in the gas chamber as well as in the changing room were damp: today they were carefully dried....”

Nyszili:
“The Sonderkommando squad, outfitted with large rubber boots, lined up around the hill of bodies and flooded it with powerful jets of water. This was necessary because the final act of those who die by drowning or by gas is an involuntary defecation....”

Daniel Bennahmias:
“Once the gas chamber had been cleared, it must be hosed free of all traces of blood and excrement - but mainly blood - and then it must be whitewashed with a quick drying paint. This step is crucial, and it is done each time the gas chamber is emptied, for the dying have scratched and gouged the walls in their death throes. The walls are embedded with blood and bits of flesh, and none on the next transport must suspect that he is walking into anything other than a shower. This takes two or three hours.”

Whether the walls or the ceiling were washed is without importance. What
matters is that the hosing of the gas chambers increased the level of humidity in the chambers so much that the equilibrium concentration of CN- ions necessary to the formation of blue staining, if reached at all during the gassings, turned into a concentration too low to allow for the formation of iron blues. According to Alich et al, the formation of Prussian blue from dilutions of iron and iron cyanide took 2 days and addition of as little as 13% water (by volume) caused the complex from which iron blues could form to decompose.

This is just too easy, but anyway ...

- Imagine, supposedly 2000 Jews at a time crammed into an alleged converted morgue and gassed, using the cyanide carrying insecticide Zyklon-B.

- Then imagine trying to wash down the walls and ceiling quickly before the cyanide penetrated.

- But there is no way to reach the walls and ceiling without removing the alleged 2000 bodies first, via a tiny elevator up to the crematorium.

- All this while deadly cyanide gas is rushing out the now open door, since the Zyklon-B would still be releasing it's cyanide load, which it will ... for hours. The alleged gassing times were supposedly mere minutes. If the liars try to say that the Zyklon-B was pulled out of the alleged gas chambers after death was accomplished, they must then explain what was done with the still outgassing Zyklon-B, which they cannot.

- Yet the alleged next batch of 2000 more Jews are supposedly waiting in line to enter the alleged gas chamber, which is now releasing gas, exposing them and the entire camp to cyanide. Now remember, the 2000 Jews allegedly waiting were supposed to be unaware of danger, thinking they were just being taken to get showers.

- The addition of water (humidity) actually assists in the formation of cyanide residue .. http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/6.html

- Germar Rudolf demonstrated that it would have taken 10 times the amount of Zyklon-B for the claimed gassings of Jews compared to the routine delousing of clothing etc. That's a lot of cyanide, but we don't cyanide levels to support the lies. - http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.3.1.3.

see:
'Filip Mueller / another lying "eyewitness"'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=95

see:
'Acclaimed 'eyewitness' Henryk Tauber / stranger than fiction'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=17

see:
'"eyewitness" Daniel Bennahmias paints lies'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=35
Yep, that's right, Bennahmias claimed the Germans painted the alleged gas chamber walls after every absurdly alleged 'gassing' to conceal cyanide. "This takes two or three hours". But supposedly these gassing were night & day with batch after batch waiting patiently to die in rapid succession. We have tales that these alleged gassings took mere minutes per batch. The story implodes upon itself with it's own lies.

Nyszili, ah yes, the same communist that gave numbers which suppport the FOUR MILLION at Auschwitz. Lovely.

The stupid lies that people like Roberto Muehlenkamp come up with an attempt to cover an obvious fraud is amazing.

For further spanking of the shyster Muehlenkamp
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/8.html#8.4.4.

from the Rudolf Report:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/

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Postby Breker » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:38 pm)

We find this hosing down of the gas chambers rather Benny Hill like. That is to say, comedic. It is particularily strange that this claim for Auschwitz does not extend to the Majdanek site. At Majdanek, the delousing facility, forced upon us as a murderous gas chamber, has cyanide residue and staining in abundance. We assume then that there was either a shortage of hoses and water at Majdanek, or more logically, neither of these sites had murderous gas chambers.
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Postby Bergmann » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:50 pm)

There is another problem about hosing down the walls and corpses with water after the alleged gassing:

What happened to the water which contains now the poisonous prussic acid? Was it discharged into the environment, poisoning the groundwater?

The gas chambers in the US were neutralized inside with an ammonium solution after an execution. The prussic acid formed a harmless compound with the ammonium which then could be safely washed away.

Sources:
The Leuchter Report
http://64.143.9.197/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

and:
Statement by Bill M. Armontrout, Warden of Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/dsmrd ... trout.html

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Oct 06, 2006 12:26 am)

What happened to the water which contains now the poisonous prussic acid? Was it discharged into the environment, poisoning the groundwater?

The gas chambers in the US were neutralized inside with an ammonium solution after an execution. The prussic acid formed a harmless compound with the ammonium which then could be safely washed away.

In the very real delousing chambers, allowing the cyanide to adhere to the walls and ceilings would eliminate the need for any such neutralization process. The hosing story is so filled with problems that you have to wonder how such a stupid tale got into circulation. Desperation is the only answer.

There are also discussions here which debunk the claim that the Zyklon-B granules were supposedly withdrawn up & out of the absurd gas chambers via a wire mesh device after a few minutes. Of course, the judeo-supremacists cannot explain what happened to the cyanide that would continue outgassing from the granules for hours.

It's gets even worse, they forgot about their fraudulent 'eyewitnesses' which say that Zyklon-B was simply dumped onto the alleged gas chamber floor.

It must be hell for them trying to keep all their lies straight.

Poor Roberto Muehlenkamp and his True Believers, painted into a corner.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:11 am)

Muehlenkamp quotes Nyszili:
Nyszili:
“The Sonderkommando squad, outfitted with large rubber boots, lined up around the hill of bodies and flooded it with powerful jets of water. This was necessary because the final act of those who die by drowning or by gas is an involuntary defecation....”

We can only laugh again at Roberto Muehlenkamp for this. The embarrasssing story says that the alleged corpses were packed in like sardines, therefore the silly assertion that 'sonderkommandos' encircled the 'hill of bodies' is contradictory to the laughable judeo-supremacist story.

My my, keeping those lies straight is a problem.

It's hard to imagine anyone exposing the stupidity of the 'holocaust' tales any better than the buffoon, Roberto Muehlenkamp.

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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:40 am)

Not to mention that Nyszili is probably one of the worst holocaust liars who ever came around. The Yankel Wiernik of Auschwitz.

A powerful jet of water is going to have the water spraying back in their faces. Plus that's not going to clean the excrement. It's just going to break it up and push it deeper into the pile of bodies. And that's just for the viewable excrement on the outside of the pile.

Had these people ever done a day of work in their lives? A day of cleaning? How could anyone make up such a bad story?

And Muehlenkamp believes it?

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:01 pm)

And Muehlenkamp believes it?

The anti-science & so called 'holocaust' History Project has a section on Treblinka, a must read. There, nutjob Yankel Wiernik is held in high esteem.

see:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=33
"eyewitness" Yankel Wiernik at Treblinka
and:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=280
'holocaust' History Project to unveil section on Treblinka

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:09 am)

It's specifics like this that the 'holocaust' Industry wishes people wouldn't investigate. Scrutiny of the specifics are incredibly simple vehicles in which to expose the lies.

How does the increasingly desperate 'holocaust' Industry respond? Simple. Arrest and imprison those that dare to speak up.

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Re: R.Muehlenkamp: 'gas chambers' were hosed down, so no cya

Postby cold beer » 5 years 5 months ago (Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:22 pm)

Hannover wrote:Here is yet another landmine that Roberto Muehlenkamp and the anti-science True Believers walk onto.

Muehlenkamp, in order to rationalize the lack of cyanide residue in the alleged gas chambers, have come up with laughable assertion that the alleged gas chambers were hosed down after each gassing.

Check it out & have fun. My comments below.

- Hannover

The claim that the walls were washed subsequent to gassings comes from eyewitnesses. Eyewitnesses are an acknowledged source of forensic evidence. The only other imaginable source would have been statements from perpetrators.
This is what the eyewitnesses stated:

Henry Tauber:
“The water tap was in the corridor and a rubber hose was run from it to wash the floor of the gas chamber...”

Filip Müller
“Normally the concrete floors in the gas chamber as well as in the changing room were damp: today they were carefully dried....”

Nyszili:
“The Sonderkommando squad, outfitted with large rubber boots, lined up around the hill of bodies and flooded it with powerful jets of water. This was necessary because the final act of those who die by drowning or by gas is an involuntary defecation....”

Daniel Bennahmias:
“Once the gas chamber had been cleared, it must be hosed free of all traces of blood and excrement - but mainly blood - and then it must be whitewashed with a quick drying paint. This step is crucial, and it is done each time the gas chamber is emptied, for the dying have scratched and gouged the walls in their death throes. The walls are embedded with blood and bits of flesh, and none on the next transport must suspect that he is walking into anything other than a shower. This takes two or three hours.”

Whether the walls or the ceiling were washed is without importance. What
matters is that the hosing of the gas chambers increased the level of humidity in the chambers so much that the equilibrium concentration of CN- ions necessary to the formation of blue staining, if reached at all during the gassings, turned into a concentration too low to allow for the formation of iron blues. According to Alich et al, the formation of Prussian blue from dilutions of iron and iron cyanide took 2 days and addition of as little as 13% water (by volume) caused the complex from which iron blues could form to decompose.

This is just too easy, but anyway ...

- Imagine, supposedly 2000 Jews at a time crammed into an alleged converted morgue and gassed, using the cyanide carrying insecticide Zyklon-B.

- Then imagine trying to wash down the walls and ceiling quickly before the cyanide penetrated.

- But there is no way to reach the walls and ceiling without removing the alleged 2000 bodies first, via a tiny elevator up to the crematorium.

- All this while deadly cyanide gas is rushing out the now open door, since the Zyklon-B would still be releasing it's cyanide load, which it will ... for hours. The alleged gassing times were supposedly mere minutes. If the liars try to say that the Zyklon-B was pulled out of the alleged gas chambers after death was accomplished, they must then explain what was done with the still outgassing Zyklon-B, which they cannot.

- Yet the alleged next batch of 2000 more Jews are supposedly waiting in line to enter the alleged gas chamber, which is now releasing gas, exposing them and the entire camp to cyanide. Now remember, the 2000 Jews allegedly waiting were supposed to be unaware of danger, thinking they were just being taken to get showers.

- The addition of water (humidity) actually assists in the formation of cyanide residue .. http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/6.html

- Germar Rudolf demonstrated that it would have taken 10 times the amount of Zyklon-B for the claimed gassings of Jews compared to the routine delousing of clothing etc. That's a lot of cyanide, but we don't cyanide levels to support the lies. - http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.3.1.3.

see:
'Filip Mueller / another lying "eyewitness"'
Filip Mueller / another lying "eyewitness"

see:
'Acclaimed 'eyewitness' Henryk Tauber / stranger than fiction'
Acclaimed 'eyewitness' Henryk Tauber / stranger than fiction

see:
'"eyewitness" Daniel Bennahmias paints lies'
"eyewitness" Daniel Bennahmias paints lies
Yep, that's right, Bennahmias claimed the Germans painted the alleged gas chamber walls after every absurdly alleged 'gassing' to conceal cyanide. "This takes two or three hours". But supposedly these gassing were night & day with batch after batch waiting patiently to die in rapid succession. We have tales that these alleged gassings took mere minutes per batch. The story implodes upon itself with it's own lies.

Nyszili, ah yes, the same communist that gave numbers which suppport the FOUR MILLION at Auschwitz. Lovely.

The stupid lies that people like Roberto Muehlenkamp come up with an attempt to cover an obvious fraud is amazing.

For further spanking of the shyster Muehlenkamp
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/8.html#8.4.4.

from the Rudolf Report:
http://germarrudolf.com/work/trr/

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibilities of 'holocaust' stories is the message.

- Hannover

Great post
Some of these testimonies I was aware of others i was not.
The questions I raised in reaction to these testimonies are nearly identical to yours (short of me not questioning what they did with the still off-gassing Zyklon)
The logical questions are automatic , making these testimonies some of the most important and effective material for the revistionist

Hosing the bodies down also forces the gas into the drainage system which is a safety concern.
Water and drainage systems contradict two video testimonies I've watched in which the witnesses claiming to carry the human waste out of the gas chamber in buckets (when i locate those testimonies I'll post them)

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Re: R.Muehlenkamp: 'gas chambers' were hosed down, so no cya

Postby Breker » 5 years 5 months ago (Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:29 pm)

Mr. / Ms. Beer stated:
Water and drainage systems contradict two video testimonies I've watched in which the witnesses claiming to carry the human waste out of the gas chamber in buckets (when i locate those testimonies I'll post them)
Then there is claim by a "survivor" that he hid and hung underneath a moving train while toilets above released crap all over him. Seriously, that is what he claims. And the gullible buy into this, uh, crap.
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Re: R.Muehlenkamp: 'gas chambers' were hosed down, so no cyanide

Postby Breker » 2 years 11 months ago (Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:40 pm)

An oldie, but a goodie perhaps worth another chuckle.
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Re: R.Muehlenkamp: 'gas chambers' were hosed down, so no cyanide

Postby hermod » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:54 am)

Hannover wrote:- But there is no way to reach the walls and ceiling without removing the alleged 2000 bodies first, via a tiny elevator up to the crematorium.


Storing 2,000 corpses in the tiny oven room? No way!!

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And since the Allied wartime aerial photographs of Birkenau show that the alleged gassed corpses were not stored outdoor and there was no storage area inside the crematory buildings (except the morgues/'gas chambers' themselves), the 'gas chambers' couldn't be emptied faster than the cremation rate. Emptying time = cremation time = around 6 days = days after cyanide had entered the walls and bound to iron ions in there.
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