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Rudolf on trial: 'No court has the right to decide history'

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:42 pm)

The fix is in and Rudolf has no chance for a fair trial. He's not even allowed to present his case against the 'gas chambers', etc.

'Racial hatred'? What a sham, scientific research has nothing to do with racial hatred.

The strings have been pulled, it's a done deal. Judeo-supremacism reigns supreme.

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Holocaust denier goes on trial in Germany

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Tuesday, November 14, 2006; 2:03 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 006/11/14/
AR2006111400750.html

BERLIN (Reuters) - A German accused of denying the Holocaust and using the Internet to spread his views went on trial on Tuesday after being deported from the United States.

The 42-year-old chemist, Germar Rudolf, is accused of denying and belittling the wartime extermination of Jews by Germany's Nazi regime. Holocaust denial is a crime in Germany which can carry a prison sentence of up to 5 years.

Rudolf, who was found guilty on similar charges in the mid-1990s, claims the court in Mannheim, western Germany, has no jurisdiction to judge the accuracy of historical events.

"No court has the right to decide authoritatively on complex historical matters," Rudolf told the court, which is also hearing a similar case against Ernst Zuendel, a prominent alleged Holocaust denier extradited from Canada.

State prosecutor Andreas Grossmann told the court Rudolf had claimed on Web sites that Hitler's Nazi party had never given an order for the persecution of Jews and that the victims of concentration camps had died of starvation and typhoid.

Rudolf also published a book in 2005 supporting these views, the prosecutor said, adding his office was seeking to confiscate around 110,000 euros ($141,000) in income Rudolf received from 2001-2004 through the sale of illegal materials.

Rudolf fled Germany after being found guilty in the mid-1990s of inciting racial hatred. After spending time in Spain and Britain, he landed in the United States which deported him a year ago to serve his original jail sentence of 14 months.

Sentencing in the second trial is expected by the end of January, 2007.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Postby grenadier » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:22 pm)

watch out for the distortions of Rudolf's claims as usual,
as peddled by the State prosecutor Andreas Grossmann,
whom, judging from his last name is likely jewish.

As Hannover has pointed out, it is a done deal.

Does anyone know how much time he'll have to serve?

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:25 pm)

5 years maximum

If they would add the 14 month from 1994 - well then it would be 6 years and two months
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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:43 pm)

ClaudiaRothenbach wrote:5 years maximum

If they would add the 14 month from 1994 - well then it would be 6 years and two months

Five years are the maximum penalty for one single act of "Holocau$t®"-denial.
Germar Rudolf is accused of having commited multiple of these horrible crimes.
So, I'm afraid, it could be a much longer sentence:

http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters1/Zundel2/zundel_stolz3.htm

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Postby rahulkghosh » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:54 pm)

"State prosecutor Andreas Grossmann told the court Rudolf had claimed on Web sites that Hitler's Nazi party had never given an order for the persecution of Jews"

Why do they have to completely misinterpret him?

They should link the readers to Dissecting the Holocaust and The Rudolf Report so people can judge for themselves based on his material.

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:59 pm)

rahulkghosh wrote:They should link the readers to Dissecting the Holocaust and The Rudolf Report so people can judge for themselves based on his material.


What purpose would that serve other than being unbiased and allowing its readers to utilize critical thought? It is the ability to critically examine the contents of the alleged 'holocaust' which leads to people not believing in the story, thus more 'criminals'. But the biggest crooks are the 'holocaust' peddlers and upholders of this fragile story.

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Postby grapple » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:52 am)

he landed in the United States which deported him a year ago to serve his original jail sentence of 14 months.

If anyone wants to see the real reason why the US government says they deported Mr Rudolf they just need to read the offical press statement at the Homeland Security website they say that he is being deported for his “denial” of the holocaust, something that is perfectly legal to do in the US.
ICE DEPORTS “HOLOCAUST REVISIONIST” TO GERMANY

CHICAGO — A well-known revisionist and holocaust denier, wanted in Germany for inciting racial hatred by denying that thousands of Jews were gassed to death at Auschwitz, was deported last night by the Department of Homeland Security’s U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).


Link to “ICE DEPORTS “HOLOCAUST REVISIONIST” TO GERMANY”

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:24 pm)

What a load of manipulative disinformation.

I can't help laughing at the 'Neo-nazi' canard, as if that means Rudolf is a man that supports 'gassing' of Jews. Of course, we know that didn't occur, therefore the label is without real meaning.

"Gigantic fraud" indeed. A very profitable one at that.

"Pseudo-science"? What a joke. I see another case of projection by the 'holocaust' Industry, it is the 'holocaust' narrative which is scientifically impossible. It must be stated that Rudolf will not be permitted to argue is points in court. This is a show trial very much in the Stalinist tradition. Shameful.

Rudolf did have this to say:
"It is my wish that both peoples should come together again in a partnership of mutual respect, so as to take up the traditions of an era that brought the world, Jewry, and the German people such immense benefit. It is also my wish that the time may come, at long last, where all the reciprocal contempt or disdain, mutual distrust and fear are eroded and ultimately removed. I long for the end of an era that has brought the world, Jewry, and the German people as much misfortune as perhaps no era before."

Germar Rudolf, in Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of 'Truth' and 'Memory'

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/


also see:
The Rudolf Report, for real science:
http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

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Neo-Nazi goes on trial in Germany for denying Holocaust
http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Neo_Nazi_ ... 42006.html

dpa German Press Agency
Published: Tuesday November 14, 2006

Mannheim, Germany- A neo-Nazi who denied the Holocaust ever happened went on trial Tuesday under a law against incitement to racial hatred. Germar Rudolf called the Holocaust "a gigantic fraud," at the start of proceedings in the city of Mannheim.

The prosecution accuses the 42-year-old chemist of making pseudo-scientific claims that it was impossible that Zyklon-B poison was used in the gas chambers at the Nazis' Auschwitz death camp.

He is also alleged to have dismissed the Holocaust as a myth and questioned the deaths of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis.

Denial of the Holocaust is punishable in Germany with up to five years in jail.

Rudolf was deported to Germany in November 2005 from the United States where he lived for several years after his 1995 conviction by a court in Stuttgart on similar charges of inciting racial hatred.

During his years in the United States, Rudolf consorted with neo-Nazis such as German-born Ernst Zuendel, who is currently on trial in Mannheim for incitement to ethnic hatred over his U.S. website, which glorified dictator Adolf Hitler.
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Postby Mads » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:46 am)

Hannover wrote:
Rudolf did have this to say:
"It is my wish that both peoples should come together again in a partnership of mutual respect, so as to take up the traditions of an era that brought the world, Jewry, and the German people such immense benefit. It is also my wish that the time may come, at long last, where all the reciprocal contempt or disdain, mutual distrust and fear are eroded and ultimately removed. I long for the end of an era that has brought the world, Jewry, and the German people as much misfortune as perhaps no era before."

Germar Rudolf, in Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of 'Truth' and 'Memory'

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/





Ok, so Rudolf longs for peace. Most people on our side do. But does the enemy?

There is a very common (judeo-supremacist) tactics that consists in fooling the opponent into believing that you want peace, thus to a large extent depriving him of the ability to defend himself against your aggression. And as we know, the aggression itself is often disguised as complaints about the opponent being aggressive. According to judeo-supremacists, people are aggressive if they do not obey unconditionally.

On the globalfire web page, Rudolf is qouted as saying (writing), "now that they have destroyed my life, the only thing left for me is to prove that I am right."

That´s the right attitude. But actually, they haven´t destroyed Rudolf´s life yet. Horst Mahler is right in asserting that the system is very fragile, and he is right in asserting that trials like this represent a good possibility to make it even more shaky. I think he and the lawyers in the Zündel case, and Zündel himself, have done a good job of doing that (even if Zündel remained silent for too long).

In the German-language forum, Bergmann has written that he has tried to convince Rudolf that he should consider his family the number one priority. But if Rudolf wants to be reunited with his family soon, or relatively soon, then there´s only one way that that could happen. The system may break down in a couple of years, or at least the Holocaust denial laws may be reversed. Rudolf still has the chance to participate in the fight against the enemy. And as for his own personal life, the best way for him to get out of prison is to fight his way out of it.

Given the nature of the enemy, I think there´s only one attitude that works. It has been very well expressed by Paul Craig Roberts, the former assistant secretary of the Treasury, who wrote in a protest against the neocons: "I´m mad as Hell, and I´m not going to take it anymore."

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Postby Radar » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:09 am)

Mads has posed the problem for Rudolf's defense very well.

It would be tempting for him to fight for the truth in his court case if he could get a fair hearing. The problem is that under the German system this is utterly impossible. He will not be allowed to present his side of the real dispute. And as we are seeing in the Zundel case the diabolical prosecution seems quite content to allow the farcical nature of the Stalinist procedure to be revealed openly since the German press will not citicize it, harldly covers it, and it is ignored abroad. They conduct countless pointless hearings to wear down his supporters and to sop up his limited resources as the case grinds to its preordained result. Is this in Rudolf's interest?

It may be best for him to show his contempt for the ridiculous nature of the proceding by remaining mute. At least that way they cannot use his words in his defense to pile charges on him and his counsel as they are prone to do.

I don't advocate one position or the other, just point out the dilemma.

I hope he is receiving good advice.

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Postby Mads » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:20 am)

It also would be possible to produce and distribute flyers telling people about the Zündel and Rudolf cases. Such flyers could deal with the abduction-like arrest, the no-touch torture that Zündel has been exposed to, and the having-been-separated-from-family issue. It doesn´t take more than one (intelligent) person to write the text. It does take more than one person to distribute the flyers. But I think the NPD-party has some 6000 members. Maybe there is a possibility here. If 6000 people would spend a couple of hours a month distributing flyers, then, well, then we´re talking business. And it most be possible to write a text that wouldn´t be illegal. Anyway, punishing 6000 people for distributing such flyers would be very difficult.

Prosecutor Grossmann, when asked what he thought about Zündel being a martyr, reportedly said, "how can he be a martyr if nobody knows him?" But if Grossmann thinks it would be impossible to create public attention about the Zündel and Rudolf cases without the help of mass/propaganda/tyranny media, then he just might be wrong.

It would be worth a try.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:34 pm)

In the German-language forum, Bergmann has written that he has tried to convince Rudolf that he should consider his family the number one priority.

Half-baked Revisionist, David Irving went as far as say that he now accepts the laughable 'gas chambers. That tactic got him nowhere.

Judeo-supremacists, once they have made a move on someone, will not back off. To release Irving or Rudolf due to some plea by either of them is out of the question. Judeo-supremacists cannot allow the public to see them as forgiving, nor can they allow questioning of their initial action in arresting people for Thought Crimes. There is nothing Rudolf can do.

In the long run these illegal arrests and imprisonments will be seen for what they are, a cover-up for the lack of 'holocaust' evidence. In the meantime, brave men like Zundel & Rudolf are victims human right violations

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Postby Reinhard » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:09 pm)

Mads wrote:It also would be possible to produce and distribute flyers telling people about the Zündel and Rudolf cases. Such flyers could deal with the abduction-like arrest, the no-touch torture that Zündel has been exposed to, and the having-been-separated-from-family issue. It doesn´t take more than one (intelligent) person to write the text. It does take more than one person to distribute the flyers. But I think the NPD-party has some 6000 members. Maybe there is a possibility here. If 6000 people would spend a couple of hours a month distributing flyers, then, well, then we´re talking business. And it most be possible to write a text that wouldn´t be illegal. Anyway, punishing 6000 people for distributing such flyers would be very difficult.

Prosecutor Grossmann, when asked what he thought about Zündel being a martyr, reportedly said, "how can he be a martyr if nobody knows him?" But if Grossmann thinks it would be impossible to create public attention about the Zündel and Rudolf cases without the help of mass/propaganda/tyranny media, then he just might be wrong.

It would be worth a try.

There had a demonstration been planned for April 8th, 2006 in Mannheim, demanding the release of the thought-criminals under the slogan Create freedom of speech - freedom for Ernst Zündel, Germar Rudolf, David Irving and Siegfried Verbeke.
This demonstration has been forbidden by all the "German" courts up to the German Constitutional Court ("Bundesverfassungsgericht"):

http://de.altermedia.info/general/verbot-fur-nationale-demo-fur-meinungsfreiheit-in-mannheim-von-bundesverfassungsgericht-bestatigt-statt-dessen-demo-in-bautzen-060406_5248.html#more-5248

http://de.altermedia.info/general/zundel-demoverbot-ohne-eindruck-auf-nationalisten-nationale-demonstrationen-und-aktionen-in-hoyerswerda-und-bautzen-100406_5293.html#more-5293

http://de.altermedia.info/general/nationale-demo-fur-meinungsfreiheit-in-mannheim-am-8-april-erneut-verboten-letzte-entscheidung-trifft-bundesverfassungsgericht-040406_5189.html#more-5189

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Postby Mannstein » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:15 pm)

Handing out flyers to make people aware of what is happening to free speech in Germany will work if the flyers are distributed at Lufthansa ticket counters to passengers in the USA as they are about to board a flight. That will get their attention.

This was done once before on behalf of a German American who was arrested in Germany. The Lufthansa staff went berserk but it ultimately did the trick.

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Postby Mads » 1 decade 2 years ago (Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:41 am)

Hannover wrote: Judeo-supremacists cannot allow the public to see them as forgiving,


Precisely. In the end, the one and only judeo-supremacist tactics is called: suppression. Don´t let people think you´re not a tyrant, they might get encouraged.


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