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Postby rahulkghosh » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:38 am)

This one shows a group of bodies along with soldiers and one is aiming a gun at someone trying to get up. Does anyone have any idea where this is from?

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG2.jpg

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:48 am)

That photograph has been the subject of discussion at this forum. I am unable to locate the particular thread as of this moment. It is here somewhere.

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Postby driansmith » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:20 am)

Looking at this photo, I'd say it's a montage. I think originally there was just a photo of two soldiers standing in some kind of depression in the ground. Then bodies were drawn or painted, with the due care taken that that they looked as if they were covering the depression in the ground. Then the picture of the bodies was cut out and fitted into the photo at the appropriate points. The resulting image was rephotographed several times, resulting each time in a lower resolution photo, until it was difficult to discern the difference between the soldiers and the ground, which is real, and the bodies, which are not.

The main problem with my theory is why there is an obvious difference between the way the ground looks at the left of the photo that the way it looks at the right. It seems to be that there is no explanation for why the ground on the right hand corner should look darker and more real.

All these fake Holocaust photos have this strange tendency.

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:22 am)

Well, I've been searching for a thread with this 'photo' now for the past thirty minutes, but I can not find it. Sorry.

But consider these points:
+ we do not know who the supposed victims are
+ we do not know who the supposed shooters are

We merely have this 'photo' with a caption which reads 'A mass execution of Jews in Nazi occupied Soviet Union. The SS man is firing at a Jewish woman who is wounded and trying to get up', with the source being the inconspicuous book 'The Good Old Days' which many revisionists and non-believers have read & heard about. The caption cannot be supported by evidence, therefore this 'photo' is useless as proof of a 'holocaust'.

The website which carries this photograph we discuss right now writes this in their photograph section: 'These photos begin to tell the story of the holocaust.'

Indeed! A story of forgery & fakery.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:47 am)

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Curious, alleged shooting but no blood.

Notice the much too passive woman propping herself up on the left patiently waiting to be shot, reading a book perhaps.

And what's with the nudity? Why bother?

Notice the left bottom is darker than the right bottom. There is no indication of shade. Oops.

A crappy cut & paste job.

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Postby The Merovingian » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:37 am)

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Those corpses are really a creepy fake.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:20 pm)

Indeed, a fake; but this is what passes for 'holocaust' evidence. Pathetic.

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:06 pm)

Another question is: What does the photo show?

They say that the Einsatzgruppen let the Jews dig pits, let them stand in a line in front of the pit and machine gunned them. There is no pit, no line nothing. Other Jews were "gassed and burned".

What does the industry want to tell here about systematic murder?
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Postby grapple » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:16 pm)

Due to the poor quality of the photo I could just as easily label it “OGPU or NKGB shooting enemies of the revolution” since they had submachine guns and the hats if pushed back on the head a bit would look similar.

Below is a web site with some photos of Soviet hats from the time period

http://www.stel.ru/stalin/joseph_1935-1953.htm

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Postby vali » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:20 pm)

It is allegedly a photo from Babi Yar. The photo can be found on this site here >

http://www.berdichev.org/babi_yar.htm

The site gives this information about the source of the photo

Sources:

Khiterer, Victoria. Babi Yar, the Tragedy of Kiev's Jews
Gutman, Israel, ed. Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Macmillan Publishing Company, New York, 1990
Ernst Klee. Willi Dreßen. "Gott mit uns" - Der deutsche Vernichtungskrieg im Osten 1939-1945, S. Fischer Verlag, Frankfurt am Main 1989
Sergey Romanov

Observations:
In this page we show photos which testify the mass murder at Babi Yar. Some of the photos were taken by Johannes Hoele, a military photographer with the German Propaganda-Kompanie 637 of the 6th Army. He took the photos most probably on 1 October 1941. Hoele died in 1944.
All his photos are from a single roll of 36 mm AGFA COLOR film. On the roll all frames are numbered. The first two frames have been destroyed. Therefore only 29 photos still exist.
At the beginning of the 1950's, his widow sold the roll to the widow of the Berlin journalist Hans Georg Schultz. In 1961 copies of the photos were acquired by the lawyer Wagner in Darmstadt in connection with the investigation of Sonderkommando 4a's crimes. The copies ended up in the Hessen Staatsarchiv in Germany. In the year 2000 Mrs. Schultz sold the original photos to the Hamburg Institute for Social Research.
Source: D. Malakov, "Kiev i Babij Jar na nemetskoj fotoplyonke oseni 1941 goda", in
"Babij Jar: chelovek, vlast', istorija", vol. 1, compiled by T. Yevstafjeva, Vitalij Nakhmanovich; Kiev, Vneshtorgizdat Ukrainy, 2004.
Many thanks to Sergey Romanov for his kind support.The second part (white arrows) of photos contains mainly photos (black and white) which were taken by the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission (ChGK) in 1943, after the Nazis' retreat from the killing site.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 2 years ago (Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:00 pm)

vali,

I can't say that the laughable 'photos of Babi Yar' help you much. If you want to discuss individual photos I suggest separate threads. Let's do them one at a time. Please get the 'properties' of the images and do this: [img]properties[/img]

A few quick points:

We see there some embarrassing faked cut-and-paste montages, and photos which indicate nothing other than piles of clothes, holes in the earth, and a dead guy in the street. The one execution photo is pretty funny too, guys being shot in street clothes, but the corpses below them are wrapped in white cloth. Cut-and-paste, indeed. Executions happened legally, the attempt manipulate a photo of one is obvious.

Of course we must remember that the SS would never have permitted incriminating photographs of what would have been an obvious war crime, IF the tale was true.

Note that today the alleged mass grave for the alleged ca. 34,000 cannot be shown. Note that there has been no verifiable forensic excavation ever shown. That's a lot of people and it would be very easy to show such a grave if the story was true.

And I must remind our readers that the claim is that exhumed bodies were allegedly cremated in ovens made from Jewish tombstones, LOL.

Detailed aerial photos of the site at the time of the alleged actions show nothing.

see:
Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=41

also search 'Babi Yar', at this forum for more.

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Postby Daniel Saez Lorente » 1 decade 2 years ago (Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:58 am)

Hannover wrote:Image

Curious, alleged shooting but no blood.

Notice the much too passive woman propping herself up on the left patiently waiting to be shot, reading a book perhaps.

And what's with the nudity? Why bother?

Notice the left bottom is darker than the right bottom. There is no indication of shade. Oops.

A crappy cut & paste job.



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Postby kk » 1 decade 2 years ago (Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:36 pm)

The soviets did a propaganda film about Babi-Yar in 1947 (I'm quoting from
memory, I may be wrong on the exact year of production).
This photo may be a still from this film.
Curious, alleged shooting but no blood.

That's what is bothering me most.
And it is not only the absense of blood.
A 7.92x57 mm Mauser bullet at close range does things to a human body
that do not produce only hemorrhage. It's more gruesome that people
can imagine. Ask a hunter.

Information about this film, anyone?

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:07 am)

kk wrote:The soviets did a propaganda film about Babi-Yar in 1947 (I'm quoting from
memory, I may be wrong on the exact year of production).
This photo may be a still from this film.
Curious, alleged shooting but no blood.

That's what is bothering me most.
And it is not only the absense of blood.
A 7.92x57 mm Mauser bullet at close range does things to a human body
that do not produce only hemorrhage. It's more gruesome that people
can imagine. Ask a hunter.

Information about this film, anyone?


Yes, anyone who has seen photos posted on certain exploitive websites or read textbooks on forensic medicine - or had the misfortune to have real-life experience - will know that the human body is quite fragile when confronted with firearm bullets. There will be a lot of blood and gore, especially when you consider that this kind of mass execution would mean several bullets fired at each victim. One would think that the Soviet intelligence when faking a photo such as this would think of adding fake blood to the "corpses", so it seems pretty possible to me that this may be a still from a propaganda movie (since movies from this time rarely showed any blood/bleeding, especially not from shooting victims)

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Postby kk » 1 decade 2 years ago (Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:11 pm)

What I find most despicable in the whole holocau$t narrative is the "death porn".
Why in earth would the german soldiers force the women to strip naked
before the execution?
To salvage the clothes? To insult the victims? It makes no sense.
The Wehrmacht did many shootings of hostages as reprisals for resistance
activities in the occupied European countries. I've never read or heard such
an act of humiliation outside the holocau$t mythology.


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