Misha Defonsca (Wolfgirl) speaks at Dartmouth

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Postby code yellow » 1 decade 4 years ago (Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:19 pm)

:) Apparently, on some website I found that speaks of her talking somewhere, it states she is 64 years old. It is said that she walked all those miles"through nazi occupied teritory", which to me indicates till the end of the war, which means she wasn't old enough to be the ages she claimed at the time of her "ordeal" (the lies begin to unfold).

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Postby code yellow » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:33 am)

:? I have gone from one site to another posting information and/or articles on this woman and found so many discrepencies between this
womans age and the ages she claimed to be at the time, as well as events during that time period that it's obvious the woman is a liar.

I also ran across a letter from her lawyers suing the publishing company over royalties and"the way the book would be presented in the US". In this letter, they describe her experience with the alleged animals as "sometimes beside wolves". This has gone beyond the average holocaust money making scam, she is downright crazy!

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Postby Daniel Saez Lorente » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:27 am)

I think we can give up hoping that all this hysteria will die down once all the so-called "survivors" have died off. In 100 years, there will still be people like this, claiming to be 165 years old, and to have suffered unspeakable torments at the age of 9, or 10, or 5. Perhaps they will carry on indefinitely, claiming to have reached the age of Methusela.
In 1585, if I remember correctly, the King of Portugal was killed in a battle in North Africa. For centuries, people refused to accept the fact that he was dead, and various pretenders appeared, the last of which, 135 years later, was an Italian who couldn't even speak Portuguese. So what can we expect from the judeo-supremacists????

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Postby Daniel Saez Lorente » 1 decade 4 years ago (Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:30 pm)

Haldan wrote:
Hotzenplotz wrote:Ok Mark_Twain,
but two more things:
In the last text box, you say 3,000,000 (are claimed to) have been gassed in Treblinka. I havn't heard that number before.

-H


The Soviets claimed that three million Jews were killed in Treblinka:

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/4.html

-haldan


Many years ago I saw a newspaper article from 1945 that claimed SEVEN million people were gassed at Treblinka.

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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:38 am)

Judging from this French webpage and the copies of documents it offers, Mischa was not only brough up by wolves, the poor animals were so kind that they enrolled her in school!

http://ours-loup-lynx.info/spip.php?article1161


:lol:

It's out in the open, reported by a major Belgian newspaper:

http://www.lesoir.be/culture/cinema/cin ... 9622.shtml

I found on Irving's site, he in turn got it from Faurisson.

Like Wilkomirski, she lied about being Jewish. Perhap's if she had in fact been Jewish this wouldn't have reached the public.

The "wolf girl" herself has declined to comment, the article says.

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:50 am)

Turpitz wrote:
The image is a contradiction in it's self, I mean these students are meant to be bright, so why do they listen to this nonsense? Surely by simply listening to such tripe automatically renders them unintelligent? It cannot be both ways around, I mean you cannot be intelligent and listen to this garbage at the same time, it's utterly impossible surely?


Eric Arthur Blair (aka George Orwell) described the condition best in his work 1984:
"The prevailing mental condition is controlled insanity"

DOUBLETHINK

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in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.
Wir brauchen eine Bewegung, die Deutschland endlich aus der Kontrolle der Kräfte von Versailles und Jalta befreit, die uns schon ein ganzes Jahrhundert lang von einer Kastastrophe in die andere stürzt.

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Postby umslobogus » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:58 pm)


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Postby Laurentz Dahl » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:36 am)

There it is, the fear inducing yet noble beast lupine beast who sheltered poor little Misha.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_b_7vwDzMyvA/R7r ... oulon1.jpg

(can't get the picture to work as img for some reason)

Many thanks for the links umslobogus and welcome to the forum.

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Postby MrNobody » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:24 pm)

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Wir brauchen eine Bewegung, die Deutschland endlich aus der Kontrolle der Kräfte von Versailles und Jalta befreit, die uns schon ein ganzes Jahrhundert lang von einer Kastastrophe in die andere stürzt.



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Postby Kobus » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:02 pm)

The complicity of the media is unbelievable.

The Belgian newspaper La Meuse ( feb. 25th, 2008, p.14) published a short interview with a lady named 'Fernande' who was acquainted with Monique De Wael when both were still schoolgirls. Fernande tried to inform the belgian television (an interview with 'Misha Defoncesa' had been broadcast), the French publisher of the book, and a number of journalists, that the story was a complete fraud, but to no avail. Here is the core part of that interview (in French):

J’avais 13 ans quand on s’est rencontrées au début des années 50. Monique avait 4 ans de plus que moi, et on était voisines. (...) En 1997, j’ai appelé les éditions Laffont pour les prévenir du mensonge, mais ils ne m’ont pas écoutée. Avec Alice, une amie commune, nous avons contacté ‘Elle’(a women's weekly), qui avait fait un article à son sujet. Ils nous ont répondu par courrier qu’on était ‘jalouses de sa réussite’. J’ai encore prévenu Michel Boufflioux, Mireille Dumas et d’autres médias qui l’avait interviewée. Sans réponse. Quand Monique est passée à la RTBF il y a quelques mois, je les ai appelés aussi. On m’a demandé de ne pas jouer avec ces choses-là. 'Il ne faut pas rire avec le malheur de cette femme’, m’a-t-on dit. je ne comprends pas comme elle a pu faire avaler cette historie à tant de monde”.

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Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:06 am)

Internet discussions revealing impossible parts of Wolfgirl's story have forced her promoters to admit "most of the story was made up", which is the same as admitting "the story is fiction". Will she continue her speaking tour?
Author admits Holocaust wolf memoir partly made up-By James Mackenzie

PARIS (Reuters) - The author of a bestselling autobiography that told the story of a young Jewish girl saved by wolves while hiding from the Nazis in wartime Europe has admitted that most of the story was made up.

Misha Defonseca's book "Survivre avec les Loups" is known in English as "Misha, a Memoir of the Holocaust Years" and has just been made into a successful film.

She said she had invented an alternative story to make up for her painful real experiences.

"It's true, I have always recounted to myself a life, another life, a life that cut me off from my family, a life far from the men I hated," she told the daily Le Figaro in an interview published on Friday.

Defonseca's book told the story of a 7-year-old Belgian Jewish girl who journeys across Europe after her parents were arrested by the Nazis during World War Two.

For much of the time she sleeps in forests, fed and protected by wolves, like Rudyard Kipling's character Mowgli in "The Jungle Book."

Doubts over her story emerged recently and she has been involved in a long-running dispute with her publisher over royalties and the marketing of the book.

Defonseca, who said her real name is Monique Dewael, was four years old when her father was arrested by the Nazis in Belgium and she was brought up by relatives.

But critics have said that, contrary to the account in her book, her family was not Jewish and her father was arrested as a member of the resistance.
She said she was called "the daughter of the traitor" because her father was suspected of having talked under torture.

"Apart from my grandfather, I hated the people who looked after me. They treated me badly, I always felt different," she told Le Figaro, adding that she had "always felt Jewish."

She said she had become fascinated by wolves as part of her fantasy escape from her real life. "And I mixed everything up. There are times when it is difficult for me to tell the difference between what was reality and what my interior universe was. I ask pardon of all those who feel betrayed," she said.

Defonseca accused her U.S. publisher, Jane Daniel, who was ordered by a court in 2005 to pay her $22 million, of pressuring her into writing a book she had never wanted to produce.

Her lawyer, Marc Uyttendaele, wrote to Belgium's Le Soir newspaper saying while the book may be improbable in places, it was a "message of hope."

"In other words, it matters little whether the account is real or partly allegorical, it is the product of absolute good faith, a cry of suffering and an act of courage. In that it deserves only respect," he wrote.

http://www.reuters.com/article/peopleNe ... 0420080229
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Postby umslobogus » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:36 pm)


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Postby chammer » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:16 am)

Kobus wrote:The complicity of the media is unbelievable.

The Belgian newspaper La Meuse ( feb. 25th, 2008, p.14) published a short interview with a lady named 'Fernande' who was acquainted with Monique De Wael when both were still schoolgirls. Fernande tried to inform the belgian television (an interview with 'Misha Defoncesa' had been broadcast), the French publisher of the book, and a number of journalists, that the story was a complete fraud, but to no avail. Here is the core part of that interview (in French):

J’avais 13 ans quand on s’est rencontrées au début des années 50. Monique avait 4 ans de plus que moi, et on était voisines. (...) En 1997, j’ai appelé les éditions Laffont pour les prévenir du mensonge, mais ils ne m’ont pas écoutée. Avec Alice, une amie commune, nous avons contacté ‘Elle’(a women's weekly), qui avait fait un article à son sujet. Ils nous ont répondu par courrier qu’on était ‘jalouses de sa réussite’. J’ai encore prévenu Michel Boufflioux, Mireille Dumas et d’autres médias qui l’avait interviewée. Sans réponse. Quand Monique est passée à la RTBF il y a quelques mois, je les ai appelés aussi. On m’a demandé de ne pas jouer avec ces choses-là. 'Il ne faut pas rire avec le malheur de cette femme’, m’a-t-on dit. je ne comprends pas comme elle a pu faire avaler cette historie à tant de monde”.



...and the medias suddenly accepted that the story was a hoax when professional Jewish hoaxers brought proofs that she wasn't jewish. Their proofs were probably not better than these ones but they came from a 'source of autority' this time.
So now, Mattogno demonstrated with even more evidence that Filip Muller was a plagiarist, but instead to see Muller being denounced by his fellows after the contrary happened; anything (lies, methods) can be used to defend him because he didn't commit the Lese Majeste crime; Muller is really Jewish.Wilkomirski/Grosjean wasn't on the other hand. The two sole times that someone was denounced as a liar by the medias, it wasn't because his statements were more unplausible than other tales, it's when Jewish bodies decided to dig regarding the sole aspect that count, was he/she really jewish. Even if Vrba conceeded to use 'poetic license' in court, not a single word in the medias because his story could have a 'pedagogic' effect. It is probably a violation of some tribal rule to accuse another Jew to be a liar in front of a non Jew.


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