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Auschwitz Krema II ruins are now different than before

Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:53 am)

Krema II ruins of the morgue 1 (the alleged 'gas chamber') look very different inside, in 2007 than earlier.



In 1991:

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(The Rudolf Report.)



In 2000:


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(Mazal.)



In 2007:
The following are my photos at my blog:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_3267.JPG

http://bp0.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_3276.JPG

http://bp0.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_3275.JPG

http://bp1.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_3282.JPG


http://moranen.blogspot.com/2008/02/aus ... osa-1.html

(Ctrl + f: "Raunioiden sisältä v. 2007:")



Obviously the Auschwitz museum has altered (renovated) the ruins, again.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:37 pm)

This is very important. Before & after comparisons are vital.

Please keep this forum updated. Thanks.

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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:40 pm)

No problem, I will. I went to Auschwitz in August 2007.

Another thing I noticed, in the ruins of Krema II morgue 1

In 2000:

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(Mazal.)



In my opinion, the hole in the roof on the left to the pillar seems to be covered up, in 2007 August:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_2866.JPG

Or I'll put it in other words: I dont see any hole there any more. Do you people see a hole there?

Interestingly this hole, or that other clear hole [I'm not quite sure which one] was altered at least three times times before, as you propably know:
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2002/3/Mattogno ... #ftnref115

And of course both of these holes were added after the war (as you all propably know).

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Postby PotPie » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:01 am)

Hey thats great. I havent been able to visit there yet, so I have a question for you and anyone else who has been there.

In the ruins of KII or KIII, did anyone notice if there was remnants of the upstairs loft, above the main floor of the crematoria? Mueller claimed that there was an upstairs loft with a cobblestone floor which was directly above the ovens where the washed hair of the dead was laid down to dry before packaging. Also, Nyiszli said he lived in an upstairs loft as well.

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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:49 am)

PotPie wrote:Hey thats great. I havent been able to visit there yet, so I have a question for you and anyone else who has been there.

In the ruins of KII or KIII, did anyone notice if there was remnants of the upstairs loft, above the main floor of the crematoria? Mueller claimed that there was an upstairs loft with a cobblestone floor which was directly above the ovens where the washed hair of the dead was laid down to dry before packaging. Also, Nyiszli said he lived in an upstairs loft as well.
I didnt notice anything of the sort. Although I mainly focused on looking at the ruins of Krema II morgue 1 (alleged 'gas chamber'), so I didnt much pay attention to other parts of Krema II ruins. Mostly I looked for prussian blue and the holes in the morgue 1 roof, and of course neither were there.

All in all, the camp wasnt "scary" or depressing at all, when you go around there without the horror music in youtube videos. The camp was exactly what it seemed when one goes around there by himself and looks around objectively: a labor and concentration camp. That's it. However, the camp certainly was interesting. I spent 4 days in the camps, 2 days in the main camp and 2 days in Birkenau.

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Postby Inquisitive » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:23 am)

Mythos writes:
All in all, the camp wasnt "scary" or depressing at all


It's an odd thing, as they were drilling it into us in school they kept repeating how bad it looked, what awful things happened there. Most of my classmates (including me) didn't think so even at an early age (12? 14?). They're missing something in their narratives...truth perhaps? :lol:

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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:11 am)

Inquisitive wrote:Mythos writes:
All in all, the camp wasnt "scary" or depressing at all


It's an odd thing, as they were drilling it into us in school they kept repeating how bad it looked, what awful things happened there. Most of my classmates (including me) didn't think so even at an early age (12? 14?). They're missing something in their narratives...truth perhaps? :lol:
Yep, propably. :D

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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:43 am)

These two holes should have been there, on the roof:

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(Mattogno, 1990.)

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(Mattogno, 1990.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eNG81T4BSM
(Töben, et al. 1997[?].)



But, I saw neither of these holes in August 2007:

http://bp2.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R8m ... G_2894.JPG

http://bp0.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_2868.JPG

http://bp3.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_2870.JPG

http://bp1.blogger.com/_AB36D4g8j4Q/R7s ... G_2871.JPG



What do you think, do you see any holes there?

If not, then the museum has filled them, among many other alterations.

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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:08 pm)

So, it seems pretty obvious to everyone that Auschwitz museum has renovated/altered the ruins AGAIN. Well that's propably not a big surprise to anyone. "Silence is the sign of agreement."

Anyway, if someone is interested, the pictures have been taken with Canon Ixus 60 digital camera; 2816x2112 resolution and the best settings.

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Postby Coder62 » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:53 am)

I think the question is, why fill the holes?
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Postby ASMarques » 1 decade 1 year ago (Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:54 am)

Coder62 wrote:I think the question is, why fill the holes?


To help dissimulate the fact that they were in no way what they were often claimed to be, i.e. the remains of the supposed well-finished holes in the concrete through which the Zyklon B was poured in. For instance, one of the obvious things about them was the presence of long folded steel rebars that cried out "no possible original hole here."

This way they can always say "oh yes, we did have some very nice holes but we filled them up", followed by some inane excuse, say, "to avoid further deterioration of the interior." Of course, the photos with the visible rebars etc. are here to stay, but the inquisitive visitor will not have them under his eyes. We should get used to further attempts at falsification by the museum authorities.

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Postby Coder62 » 1 decade 1 year ago (Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:16 am)

Good point, I suppose peoples future word of, "yes they did have holes" is better proof for them rather than showing off those fact obviously man made holes.

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Postby Mythos » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:54 am)

When I asked the tour guide about the holes in the roof of Krema II morgue 1, he said that some holes had been made after the war, and that there still were the alleged Zyklon B holes in the roof. The guide then complained to me that the ruins of Krema II are sinking a bit every year, because of the swampy ground area of the camp. Then the guide said that museum had made some renovations to preserve the ruins better.

I guess filling the holes prevents water from going inside to ruins, and the other renovations inside the ruins help them to hold together better in the future. Or something like that.

And it is only those two clear holes, that were obviously made after the war, that the museum seems to have filled. Mazal et al. claimed that one of these two holes was the original Zyklon B introduction hole, while the other one was added after the war. However, one only needs to read what structural engineer Walter Lüftl had to say about these two clear holes to understand that both of them were obviously made after the war.
(Lectures on the Holocaust, p. 246.)

Other holes that Provan and Mazal et al. claimed were simply cracks and disfigured holes caused by the explosion of the roof and its' collapse. Those other alleged holes are still there.


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