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Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby widmann » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:37 pm)

On President Obama's tour today of Buchenwald he was accompanied by Elie Wiesel.

Wiesel commented in an article in 1985: "In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day." (TIME 18 Mar 1985).

Let us hope that Obama's foolish statements are not the "ultimate rebuke" of Holocaust revisionism but rather the loose thread that begins to unravel the exaggerations and hateful rhetoric of the past 60 years.

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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby theTRUTH » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:49 pm)

An estimated 56,000 people were killed, including political prisoners, people dubbed "asocial" by the Nazis, Soviet prisoners of war, Sinti and Roma, and approximately 11,000 Jews.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD98KK99G3

What is the revisionist figure for the number who died at Buchenwald from July, 1947 to April, 1945, of natural causes, old age, and disease?
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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby widmann » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:10 pm)

Presumably you mean July 1937 and not 1947.

One of the more important revisionist articles on Buchenwald was Mark Weber's "Buchenwald: Legend and Reality" published in the JHR Vol. 7, No. 4, Winter 1986-87.

In it he writes, "The The US Army intelligence report of 24 April 1945 noted that the total number of certified deaths was 32,705. A detailed June 1945 U.S. government report about Buchenwald put the total at 33,462, of whom more than 20,000 died in the chaotic final months of the war.

The authoritative International Tracing Service of Arolsen, an affiliate of the International Red Cross, stated in 1984 that the number of documented deaths (of both Jews and non-Jews) at Buchenwald was 20,671, with another 7,463 for Dora (Mittelbau).

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html

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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 1 year ago (Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:56 pm)

An interesting fact about Bergen-Belsen, which was as notorious a death camp as Buchenwald, is the fact that after they liberated the camp it took the British six weeks to control the dying in Bergen-Belsen, despite the fact that they had DDT, food, medicine, and troops to control the prisoners from killing the weak and dying for their food, something the Nazis did not have.

During this time of liberation approximately 15, 000 internees died after the camp was liberated. The point?

When the nearby surrounding cities to the camps were being destroyed both day and night by Allied bombing, perhaps the most criminal act in the history of mankind, it is not surprising that that the internees in the camps would have begun to die from disease and especially starvation- which was, by the way, the most difficult problem the Brits had to face when they tried to stop the dying. Read about it in Ben Shephard’s book, After Daybreak.
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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:06 pm)

One of the great ironies of President Obama's visit to Europe is that yesterday he visited Buchenwald and Dresden and expressed the usual nonsense--and today, he is at the D-Day memorial celebrations in Normandy to honor the very people responsible for the horrors of Buchenwald and Dresden.

The horrors of the concentration camps at the end of the war were the indirect result and, sometimes even direct result, of the cowardly and criminal terror bombing of German civilian targets and civilians that had been started by the British with American support in May, 1940. That howling mob of looting, raping GI's and Brits who stormed the beaches at Normandy and performed so miserably as soldiers made the real horrors of the camps happen. If Eisenhower at Ohrdruf or Buchenwald had really wanted to get the mass murderers responsible for what he was seeing, he had only to look at himself in a mirror and blow his own brains out. On his way to Buchenwald, did Eisenhower have the windows blacked out as he drove past all the cities he had destroyed? Was Eisenhower totally blind to what had really been going on? Was Eisenhower even sane?

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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby littlefieldjohn » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:44 pm)

Thank you for your post,
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I also like the phrase " The Legend And The Reality "
Also, 'Tell the truth, It is easier to remember"

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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 1 decade 1 year ago (Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:38 pm)

To the question I raised above about whether Eisenhower had the "windows blacked out as he drove" to Buchenwald for his April 12, 1945 performance there, I came across the following which shows that he had seen at least some of the destruction, and approved.

In The Bitter Road to Freedom by William I. Hitchcock (New York: Free Press, 2008) we have the following on page 189:

...On March 13, just a few days after the capture of Cologne, General Eisenhower issued a public message of praise to Air Chief Marshal Harris saying that his visit to the Rhineland cities revealed "striking evidence of the effectiveness of the bombing campaigns . . . . City after city has been systematically shattered." Ike acclaimed the "heroic work" of Bomber Command and the U.S. Air Forces. [29]


29. "Effectiveness of RAF Bombing," Times, March 13, 1945.

It is inconceivable that even a dunce like Eisenhower [and he really was a dunce] could not have known, at least roughly, how many hundreds of thousands of people had been murdered in those "Rhineland cities" by the Allied terror bombing. Did Eisenhower's victims in the Rhineland cities look any better than the dead at Buchenwald? Of course, not!

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Re: Buchenwald: Elie Wiesel's "history"

Postby Halo » 1 decade 1 year ago (Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:31 am)

In his 1955 memoir, Night, even the High Priest of the holocaust Elie Wiesel does not mention gas chambers but claims instead that the Jews were thrown alive into flaming ditches. The entire holohoax is based on forced confessions of German officers and on absurd, inconsistent, and conflicting testimonies of so-called eye witnesses.

American newspapers in February 1945, citing a Soviet eyewitness report from the recently-liberated camp, told readers that the methodical Germans had killed Jews there using an "electric conveyor belt on which hundreds of persons could be electrocuted simultaneously [and] then moved on into furnaces. They were burned almost instantly, producing fertilizer for nearby cabbage fields."

"Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate – healthy, virile hate – for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German."
Elie Wiesel, Legends in Our Time, pp. 177-178

And such a sucker gets the nobel peace price. And then there is his strange sense of reality,a reality that needs protection "from prying eyes,"(in "All Rivers Run to the Sea") aka rational examination.

That sucker is plain delusional, he is lying, but somehow in his twisted mind he doesnt realize that.

Wiesel tells a story about a visit to a Rebbe, or Hasidic rabbi, he hadn't seen for 20 years. The Rebbe is upset to learn that Wiesel has become a writer, and wants to know what kind of material he writes. "Stories," Wiesel replies, "... true stories."

"About people you knew?" Yes, about people I might have known. "About things that happened?" Yes, about things that happened or could have happened. "But they did not?" No, not all of them did. In fact, some were invented from almost the beginning to almost the end. The Rebbe leaned forward as if to measure me up and said with more sorrow than anger: "That means you are writing lies!" I did not answer immediately. The scolded child within me had nothing to say in his defense. Yet, I had to justify myself:

"Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are, although they never occurred"

[cf. Legends of Our Time, New York: Holt, Rinehart, and Winston: 1968, p. viii].

He is just lying diabolical scum, his imagination shall be regarded as reality? Is that sucker sane?


For Wiesel... the Holocaust is effectively a "mystery" religion. Thus Wiesel intones that the Holocaust "leads into darkness," "negates all answers," "lies outside, if not beyond, history," "defies both knowledge and description," "cannot be explained nor visualized," is "never to be comprehended or transmitted," marks a "destruction of history" and a "mutation on a cosmic scale." Only the survivor-priest (read: only Wiesel) is qualified to divine its mystery. And yet, the Holocaust's mystery, Wiesel avows, is "noncommunicable"; "we cannot even talk about it." Thus, for his standard fee of $25,000 (plus chauffeured limousine), Wiesel lectures that the "secret" of Auschwitz's "truth lies in silence."
(Finkelstein on Elie Wiesel.)


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