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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:02 pm)

Lamprecht

I couldn't find the grave picture on the website



Lamprecht

I doubt they are bodies.




Why would you call it a grave picture if you don't think it's filled with bodies?

And if the picture is of an unknown origin, why would it be up on the nafcash.com website?
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:59 pm)

Pepper wrote:Lamprecht

I couldn't find the grave picture on the website



Lamprecht

I doubt they are bodies.




Why would you call it a grave picture if you don't think it's filled with bodies?

And if the picture is of an unknown origin, why would it be up on the nafcash.com website?
You must have misread what I said.

The 1st picture (From FPP site) was from Krege's analysis, the info in the link.

Another website compares it to pictures from the other website, the source for the rest of the pictures, besides the last.
The last has it's link given, comparing it to a picture I cannot find on the website it claims is there - the picture labeled with 3 "Grave" captions which is NOT from Treblinka, nor did I claim such.


To make it easy:
1st picture - GPR from Krege source is http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Treblink ... 91000.html
2nd-8th - From GPR surveys around the US, not related to Treblinka, source is http://geomodel.com - they were used solely for comparison to the Treblinka photo.
Last picture - Picture of the first (Krege's GPR scan of Treblinka) compared to trench, grave, and pipe examples, the grave example cannot be found on the site listed.

I am not claiming to be an expert on what's under the ground in Treblinka, Ground Penetrating Radars, not the Krege report.
I have not claimed that the white areas in the Krege Treblinka scan were of bodies, but I simply asked for Gerdes' opinion on the matter since I didn't find it on NAFCASH.
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:24 pm)

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I simply asked for Gerdes' opinion on the matter since I didn't find it on NAFCASH.



Then I shouldn't have jumped into the middle of it.

Sorry.

I'll let Gerdes provide the answer.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:28 pm)

But I do have to ask:

Lamprecht

The 1st picture was from Krege's analysis



Can you prove this?


You do see what I mean don't you?

You provide a link that has an article that shows a picture of a scan.

But can you actually prove that that scan is an actual still from Krege's GPR?

(A link to a site with an article isn't proof.)
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:35 pm)

Lamprecht

I don't know where the scan is from



Lamprecht

The 1st picture was from Krege's analysis



You're contradicting yourself.


Again, can you prove that that scan is an actual scan taken by Krege at Treblinka?

If not, then that photo is simply a red herring.


Lamprecht

To make it easy: 1st picture - GPR from Krege source is...



Is that really "from Kege source?"

It's simply an article on a web page that contains a photo of a scan.

That is not "proof."

In fact, I don't even consider it evidence.

Can you trace that photo back to Krege's actual GPR?

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:40 pm)

Look at the famous Krege video - 1:55 to 2:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wsxmCTScCE

Now look at the photo Lamprecht posted.

That photo is not from the Krege video.

So where is it from Lamprecht?

It's a red herring.

No wonder you couldn't find it on the nafcash.com site.

Why would they have a photo that has nothing to do with Treblinka on the site?
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:40 pm)

Pepper:
You're contradicting yourself.
Not if you read it correctly.
I said I do not know where the scan is from - and I don't. It could be over alleged "mass grave' 1, 2, 3, whatever. I have no idea. Krege only said it was from Treblinka's mass graves, the exact location in Treblinka I don't have.

Again, can you prove that that scan is an actual scan taken by Krege at Treblinka?

If not, then that photo is simply a red herring.
We have videos of him scanning the area, and he gave this photo, claiming it was the result.
No, I do not have proof of him actually scanning it.

The odd thing is that Krege concluded, from his scan, that there were no mass graves @ Treblinka - of course this has been challenged.

Is that really "from Kege source?"

It's simply an article on a web page that contains a photo of a scan.

That is not "proof."

In fact, I don't even consider it evidence.
I am aware.

Can you trace that photo back to Krege's actual GPR?
How would I do that, Pepper?


By the way, do you speak German or French?
This may give more info on Krege's GPR report:
http://vho.org/VffG/2000/1/Krege62-64.html
http://vho.org/F/c/Krege.html
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:43 pm)

Oh I see your point now, I wonder why Irving would put that picture up, and where he obtained it.
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:47 pm)

Treblinka study by Krege
viewtopic.php?t=1245

We should move our discussion
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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:12 pm)

Lamprecht

It could be over alleged "mass grave' 1, 2, 3, whatever.



And it "could be" over Lenin's tomb, but it's neither.

There isn't an ounce of proof that the photo is of a scan taken at Treblinka.


Lamprecht

Krege only said it was from Treblinka's mass graves


Now you're flat out making things up.

Krege never said that THAT PHOTO was from Treblinka.

If you're not lying, then let's see the proof of what you just said.


Lamprecht

We have videos of him scanning the area, and he gave this photo, claiming it was the result.


And now you have just spewed another bald faced lie.

You're really digging yourself in a hole Lamprecht. You just said in the previous sentence:

I said I do not know where the scan is from - and I don't.


Then you say:

[Krege] gave this photo


With the obvious implication that the photo came from Krege himself.

My what a poor liar you are Lamprecht.


Lamprecht

No, I do not have proof of him actually scanning it.


Well then, you're finally admitting the truth. But if you don't have proof, then why did you say Krege himself "gave this photo, claiming it was the result?"

Contradiction after contradiction.


Lamprecht

The odd thing is that Krege concluded, from his scan, that there were no mass graves @ Treblinka



What's so odd about that Lamprecht?

His exact words from the video were: "After 3 weeks work the team had found nothing. No graves, no ash..."

And his exact words quoted in the IHR article were: "Historians say that the bodies were exhumed and cremated toward the end of the Treblinka camp's use in 1943, but we found no indication that any mass graves ever existed," he says. "Personally, I don't think there was an extermination camp there at all."

No graves and no ash.

If that's such an "odd" statement Lamprecht, then please tell us where we might find graves and ash at Treblinka.

Look at the first photo that appears in this thread and tell us:

How many graves and how much ash are in sections A? B? C?



Pepper

Can you trace that photo back to Krege's actual GPR?



Lamprecht

How would I do that, Pepper?



Don't bother Lamprecht, I just did the work for you.

I knew something didn't smell right.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:23 pm)

Lamprecht

Treblinka study by Krege

viewtopic.php?t=1245

We should move our discussion



We're having a "discussion?"

Interesting choice of words.

I have a better idea.

Since the title of this thread is - The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Let's "discuss" these questions, as you're obviously trying to ignore them.

Let's start at the begining Lamprecht.

Let's skip question #1, as it is rhetorical.

So on to questions 2 & 3:

Do you believe that it’s possible to murder 870,000 people and not leave behind a single trace of your crime?

How hard would it be to locate / prove the existence of the alleged “huge mass graves” if they did in fact exist?

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:26 pm)

And let's make something clear once and for all:


Again, can you prove that that scan is an actual scan taken by Krege?

Yes or No?


Can you prove that that scan is an actual scan taken at Treblinka?

Yes or No?

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Pepper » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:30 pm)

Lamprecht

Krege only said it was from Treblinka's mass graves



That statement was a bald faced lie - period, end of statemen.

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Re: The Famous THIRTY TREBLINKA QUESTIONS

Postby Lamprecht » 1 decade 1 month ago (Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:04 pm)

Pepper
Do you believe that it’s possible to murder 870,000 people and not leave behind a single trace of your crime?
No

How hard would it be to locate / prove the existence of the alleged “huge mass graves” if they did in fact exist?
When you're not restricted by the law or threatened with prison, it's quite easy.

Again, can you prove that that scan is an actual scan taken by Krege?

Yes or No?


Can you prove that that scan is an actual scan taken at Treblinka?

Yes or No?
What would constitute proof in this case?

That statement was a bald faced lie - period, end of statemen.
Do you think the image on the computer shown in the youtube video is from Treblinka?
EDIT: I also meant to put 'graves' in quotation marks, as he concluded that the mass "graves" are not mass "graves" at all.
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