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What happened to Germans that mistreated Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 9 years 10 months ago (Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:01 pm)

Often claimed by "Eyewitnesses" and other exterminationists is that Nazis could just mistreat Jews in the camps all they pleased. In books I was forced to read in school such as "Four Perfect Pebbles" such claims aren't rare. For example, in the book mentioned the father went to ask a Nazi official why their name wasn't called so they could emigrate(Something like that) and he turned around and screamed "SAU JUDE!"(Pig Jew), and hit him.

But from what I've read such cases aren't always consistent with what actually happened - many Nazis were indeed punished for such things.


From National Socialist Concentration Camps: Legend and Reality by Jurgen Graf:
3.4. Punishments and Mistreatment

The widespread idea that limitless arbitrary cruelty prevailed in the National Socialist concentration camps and that sadistic mistreatment was a common occurrence is simply not confirmed by surviving German wartime documentation. We are aware that regulations may exist only on paper, and we do not doubt that acts of cruelty often occurred in the camps. But that such acts in no way reflected official policy is clearly obvious from the regulations for the camp administration. In Auschwitz, every SS man had to sign a declaration reading word for word as follows:[57]

"I am aware that only the Führer possesses life and death decision-making powers over enemies of the State. I am not permitted to injure or kill any enemy of the State (inmate). Any killing of an inmate in a concentration camp requires the personal approval of the Reichsführer SS. I am aware that I will be severely called to account for any violation of this regulation."

Kazimierz Smoleń, former Director of the Auschwitz-Museum, wrote an article on the punishment system at Auschwitz based on German documents, in which the various punishments provided for by the regulation are listed in order of severity:[58]

Warning with threat of punishment
Additional work
Temporary transfer to a punishment company
Arrest
Severe arrest with withdrawal of food
Arrest in solitary confinement
Beating (25 blows).
Prior to execution of the beating punishment an examination by a physician was required. Death sentences required approval by the RSHA prior to execution.[59]

Severe steps were occasionally taken against SS men guilty of committing crimes against inmates: two camp commandants - Karl Koch of Buchenwald and Hermann Florstedt of Majdanek - were executed by the National Socialists themselves.

[...]

[57] GARF, 7021-107-11, p. 130.
[58] Kazimierz Smoleń, "Systeme de punition infligées par la SS dans le camp de concentration d'Auschwitz", in: Contribution à l'histoire du KL-Auschwitz, Edition du Musée d'Etat à Oswiecim, w/o year, p. 67f.
[59] Franciszek Piper, "I metodi di assassinio diretto dei prigionieri", in: Auschwitz. Il campo nazista della morte, Edizioni del Museo Statale di Auschwitz-Birkenau, 1997, p. 137.



And from the Smith Report No. 142:
I mentioned earlier that the Germans were keeping very meticulous records of all their doings. They did not have any reason to hide their activities. When I visited Dora, one of the camps were Paul Rassinier was kept, I saw the records which contained the most minute details of all the beatings, executions and other forms of punishments that took place in the camp, so I am sure that the same meticulous records were kept in Auschwitz and Birkenau and the other camps. Every body had to be accounted for and woe to the Camp Commander who failed in his duties. How come so little is known about Judge Morgen, who was an SS Judge who went from camp to camp to make sure that wrong doing were punished - and punished they were. Two Camp Commander were hanged for mistreating Jewish prisoners. If the point was to get rid of the Jews why punish a good officer just because he was a bit too sadistic with a Jewish inmate. According to Rassinier the Kapos (Kamp Polizei) were a sadistic bunch, who were the criminals who got looked up earlier either for crimes of having been a communist.


Does anyone have any input on the subject?
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Re: What happened to Germans that mistreated Jews?

Postby gbrecht » 9 years 10 months ago (Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:00 pm)

You pretty much have the right idea, from what I have read, the concentration camps had strict regulations about the mistreatment of jews, several which resulted in serious punishments for, as you said, camp commandants and guards alike. Most of the mistreatment was actually due to the kapos, generally groups or cliques of them taking power in the camps. As Rassinier says in his book the kapos in Dora treated the prisoners badly and the SS guards didn't have too much close interaction with the inmates. They(the ss guards) delegated power through the kapos, and the kapos took advantage controlling extra food supplies and again, often mistreating fellow inmates.

If there was a policy of extermination no german would have been punished for murdering or mistreating any jews or any other inmate for that matter, let alone be executed. Ridiculous.

Imagine you worked on a farm, a chicken farm, the chickens were infected with some new deadly virus, ruined the meat. So you were told to destroy all the chickens in a massive incinerator, but one of the chickens pecked at you and you became angry so you stomped on it, which resulted in the death of said chicken. Then your boss fires you. Makes a lot of sense eh?

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Re: What happened to Germans that mistreated Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 9 years 10 months ago (Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:51 pm)

gbrecht wrote:As Rassinier says in his book the kapos in Dora treated the prisoners badly and the SS guards didn't have too much close interaction with the inmates. They(the ss guards) delegated power through the kapos, and the kapos took advantage controlling extra food supplies and again, often mistreating fellow inmates.
Can you be more specific - which book? A page and/or quote would also be nice.
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Re: What happened to Germans that mistreated Jews?

Postby gbrecht » 9 years 10 months ago (Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:28 pm)

Sorry, Rassinier mentions it in The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses, I do not remember which page, but i could scan through it on the free online version to find it.

Lets see...

He is speaking of the Dora kapos here, "Men with brassards appeared at eight o'clock: a table was set up; a clerk sat down. One by one we passed in front of the table where we stated our registration number, name, and profession. The men with brassards were Czechs and Poles who had been interned for a variety of offenses. They were heavy handed and made generous use of the rubber truncheons with which they were armed. "Hier ist Dora! Mensch! Bloder Hund!" and wham, wham."

http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking1-4.html

He makes many mentions about the brutal treatment the kapos delivered to the inmates, not ss guards mistreating prisoners. Kapos were even in charge of distributing extra food packages and letters from family members of internees and they often stole the food, Rassinier mentioned how one way he managed to survive was that he offered a guard a portion of a chunk of bacon he received in a package, and the guard(i think it was actually the block chief) from then on made sure he received his packages in proper order.

Further down that page you can read more about his experience at Dora.

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Re: What happened to Germans that mistreated Jews?

Postby Lamprecht » 9 years 10 months ago (Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:01 pm)

Thank you
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