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Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Postby Balsamo » 9 years 3 weeks ago (Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:54 pm)

Did i miss something ?

This survivor never said that he was selected at treblinka to work in the camp, but that those who were selected were immidiatly reloaded and sent to Majdanek. What is the problem with that?
And the only fact that some were selected and reloaded in the train is not enough to make Treblinka a delousing camp.

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Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Postby Kingfisher » 9 years 3 weeks ago (Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:22 pm)

Balsamo wrote:And the only fact that some were selected and reloaded in the train is not enough to make Treblinka a delousing camp.

Is it enough to make it an extermination camp? I'd have thought it had no relevance to either thesis, except insofar as it contradicts the contention that everyone without exception was killed.

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Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Postby vincentferrer » 9 years 3 weeks ago (Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:33 pm)

Jews migrated to places like Wisconsin which has a very large German and Belgium population.
Part of what brought the Jews to Wisconsin was the fact the Germans were very successful business people who made a ton of money in manufacturing, and other businesses. It attracted the Jews who followed the money.

A second reason is that there was virtualy no discrimination against the Jews by the Germanic peoples of Wisconsin. Virtually none.

If there was any discrimination against a group of people in Wisconsin it would be the blacks, but not because they were black ,rather they migrated to the life of welfare and crime and hence the people did not respect or trust the blacks. Jewish judges and lawyers had a history of sending lifelong black criminals back on the streets, after being convivted of crimes, keeping the lawful citizens in a state of fear.

Milwaukee is now the 4th most dangerous city in America. The once strict German police chief ( who kept the thugs in check) retired and the city council placed a feminist into the job who thought pampering the gangsters would convert them. Drugs and gangs were soon out of control and the middle class fled.
Milwaukee has gone from being a super safe city into a gang infested city with shooting out of control. Blacks account for 99% of the crime.
The very word holocaust is a pejorative to every German citizen. There was no holocaust,
just lies from the abandoned race.

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Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Postby Balsamo » 9 years 3 weeks ago (Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:49 pm)

Is it enough to make it an extermination camp? I'd have thought it had no relevance to either thesis, except insofar as it contradicts the contention that everyone without exception was killed.


This testimony of course not. I agree that it has no relevance to either thesis.
But the most logical conclusion is that those Reinhardt camps were indeed mainly extermination camps. No factories around them, no sleeping facilities.
It is a fact that people were sent there...and somehow vanished from any form of documentation afterward...the rest is speculation. there are only a few witnesses who pretend being survivors of those camps, am i wrong?
On the contrary, there is no logic at all in the assumption that the Nazis would have send hundreds of thousands of "suspected partisans" to the East after Stalingrad, unless the Nazis were suicidal!


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Jews migrated to places like Wisconsin which has a very large German and Belgium population


I am sure you are aware that every single white american comes from Europe...do you have further informations about the german immigration to America in Winsonsin ? When did they arrived? Where there german jews among them? (you know like the Lehman's in NY ?)
Nobody said (except some fools) that German people were Anti-Semite by nature, otherwise they would not have been so many Jews in german territories in the first place. It is the Nazi STATE that was the source of their problems, not the 57% of the Germans who never voted for Hitler...And even among the 43% voters, they not all voted Hitler because of the Jewish question...

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Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Postby vincentferrer » 9 years 3 weeks ago (Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:50 pm)

The Wisconsin Germans were beer makers, farmers and manufacturers. To the best of my knowledge, these were not popular trades among the Jews. The Jewish trades were banking, clothing retailers and jewelry merchants ( diamonds/watches). Jews settled intmany of the early colonies in America but mainly near coastal cities and ports. Few ventured inland. One exception is Omaha. Many Jews setled in Omaha, including the world's most famous,Warrren Buffet.
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Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Postby Christof » 9 years 3 weeks ago (Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:21 am)

Balsamo wrote:Did i miss something ?

This survivor never said that he was selected at treblinka to work in the camp, but that those who were selected were immidiatly reloaded and sent to Majdanek.


Apparently sometimes they were also sent from Treblinka to Majdanek to Ebensee.

Balsamo wrote:What is the problem with that?


the Germans established three extermination camps at the eastern boundary of the Generalgouvernement, not far from main railroad lines: Belzec...Sobibor...and Treblinka.

The Nazis’ purpose in building these camps was to carry out the systematic murder of European Jewry as part of the Final Solution. Permanent gas chambers were constructed in these camps. No selections were performed in these camps. As the deportation trains arrived, the victims – men, women, and children – were sent directly to the gas chambers.

http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocau ... mc_id=wiki

In 1942, in the Generalgouvernement...the Nazis opened the Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka killing centers...

Almost all of the deportees who arrived at the camps were sent immediately to death in the gas chambers (with the exception of very small numbers chosen for special work teams known as Sonderkommandos).

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php ... d=10005145

There were no "selections" made at the Operation Reinhard camps, nor at Chelmno.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... linka.html

The extermination process at all three camps was similar, and reflected the reality that the camps existed for the sole purpose of exterminating the Jews of the General Government.

Transports would arrive, and those who had survived the journey were herded into a "reception area," where they were told to remove their clothing and surrender their valuables. A few, a very few, were sorted out if they claimed experience in trades needed to maintain the camp, and others survived for a time as workers in the extermination area.


http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/reinhard/rei ... aq-22.html
"All the concentration camps were, after all, vast transit camps.The inmates were constantly changing, passing from one camp to another, coming and going." Balachowsky:IMT vol.VI pg.317


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