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Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby Lysander_Spooner » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:53 am)

Is there a book or a paper that has been produced that details the various wartime munitions that were produced by inmate labor? In his book, Paul Rassinier wrote about what was produced at the Dora camp, and of course it is well known that Farben had a huge synthetic rubber and chemical plant in the Auschwitz complex. In reading the true history of Oskar Schindler, I learned what "his" jews produced. Has anyone written anything that provides a comprehensive listing of all German industrial sites associated with the camps, along with information about what was produced at each?

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby joachim neander » 8 years 10 months ago (Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:30 pm)

AFAIK, this has not yet been done systematically.
Special studies are existing, e.g. for Daimler-Benz, Krupp, Heinkel, or Hasag (IIRC).
These studies, however, consider all forced labor, not only that from the concentration camp inmates.
Most CC labor, however, was not employed in production, but in building, construction, and deployment of factories, airfields, roads, in loading and unloading trains, and, toward the end of the war, in clearing rubble from bombing.
At any rate, one should not believe Himmler and Pohl, who boasted with great contributions of CC labor to the German war effort. Reality was far less splendid.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby The Warden » 8 years 10 months ago (Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:42 pm)

joachim neander wrote:AFAIK, this has not yet been done systematically.
Special studies are existing, e.g. for Daimler-Benz, Krupp, Heinkel, or Hasag (IIRC).
These studies, however, consider all forced labor, not only that from the concentration camp inmates.
Most CC labor, however, was not employed in production, but in building, construction, and deployment of factories, airfields, roads, in loading and unloading trains, and, toward the end of the war, in clearing rubble from bombing.
At any rate, one should not believe Himmler and Pohl, who boasted with great contributions of CC labor to the German war effort. Reality was far less splendid.


And why not?

Prisoners performed everything from menial labor to making basic necessities to disinfecting clothing to gardening to sewing to working in the airplane factories, etc.

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Would you have them flying for the Luftwaffe, Dr. Neander?
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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby joachim neander » 8 years 10 months ago (Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:34 pm)

A strange question. At Dr. Sigmund Raschers "Station 5" at Dachau, they were not flying, but dying for the Luftwaffe.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby The Warden » 8 years 10 months ago (Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:50 pm)

A contribution to the war effort, nonetheless.
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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby ovd1965 » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:19 am)

@ Mr. Neander :

same thing as american soldiers used for pharmaceutical tests or all the soldiers who have had the honor to visit the various atomic bomb tests
very close (in the desert or on ships)......

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby joachim neander » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:08 am)

It' a shame, I agree. But A's crime does not justify B's. I remember from my teacher's career: a kid caught cheating, as a rule, would point to a colleague who also cheated. Childish behavior. It didn't help him avoiding punishment.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby ovd1965 » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:53 am)

"It didn't help him avoiding punishment."

for "es special group of kids" it avoided any punishment ! in german : "messen mit zweierlei maß"..........

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby Petschau » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:18 am)

Allach Pottery was probably produced with inmate labor during the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allach_%28porcelain%29

Allach was a sub-camp of Dachau near Munich, located approximately 10 miles from the main camp at Dachau. According to Marcus J. Smith, who wrote "Dachau: The Harrowing of Hell," the Allach camp was divided into two enclosures, one for 3,000 Jewish inmates and the other for 6,000 non-Jewish prisoners. Smith was a doctor in the US military, assigned to take over the care of the prisoners after the liberation. He wrote that the typhus epidemic had not reached Allach until April 22, 1945, about a week before the camp was liberated.

Liberation of Allach
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There are Allach pieces for sale on eBay as well.
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=allach ... m270.l1313

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby Hannover » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:49 pm)

joachim neander wrote:A strange question. At Dr. Sigmund Raschers "Station 5" at Dachau, they were not flying, but dying for the Luftwaffe.

And what are your specific beliefs about Dr. Rascher and this "Station 5"? BTW, Rascher was arrested & executed by the SS for some limited medical experiments*, which in itself blows apart the idea that the Germans allowed unspeakable atrocities. No dodging.

* On criminals who had been sentenced to death anyway, Dachau held many common criminals.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby joachim neander » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:20 pm)

Hannover wrote:
joachim neander wrote:A strange question. At Dr. Sigmund Raschers "Station 5" at Dachau, they were not flying, but dying for the Luftwaffe.

And what are your specific beliefs about Dr. Rascher and this "Station 5"? BTW, Rascher was arrested & executed by the SS for some limited medical experiments*, which in itself blows apart the idea that the Germans allowed unspeakable atrocities. No dodging.

* On criminals who had been sentenced to death anyway, Dachau held many common criminals.

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Dear Sir, you should know that Rascher was tried at an SS court not for his medical experiments, but for embezzlement, for accepting bribes from prisoners, and first and foremost, as an aide to multiple kidnapping. His wife was already beyond the child-bearing age, so the Raschers, to present themselves as a good SS family with many children, resorted to kidnapping. Sorry, those were crimes punishable also by ordinary German law. Before a normal criminal court, he probably would have got only 15 years in a penitentiary.
For more information: Sigfried Bär, Der Untergang des Hauses Rascher, Merzhausen 2006. And my article about one of his close collaborators, go google my name and "Anton Pacholegg," the article is on the Web. Even in English.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby Kingfisher » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:13 pm)

Hannover wrote: BTW, Rascher was arrested & executed by the SS for some limited medical experiments*, which in itself blows apart the idea that the Germans allowed unspeakable atrocities.

Another case of the Allies trying Germans for crimes they committed themselves. Everyone's heard of Mengele, but we hear rather less about this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/us-apology-guatemala-syphilis-tests.

I posted on it at the time but Moderator3 deleted it as irrelevant.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby Hannover » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:09 pm)

I concede, upon further research, that Dr. Rascher was not executed by the SS for treatment of inmates, which Neander himself originally claimed ... oops. However, Rascher's high altitude research involved those already condemned for execution.
1) Dr. Sigmund Rascher, contrary to what you say, was never sentenced to death by an SS court; he was not even put on trial in an SS court or any other court. Rascher and his wife were arrested by the Munich police in April 1944 and put into a Munich jail for a crime that had nothing to do with his “experiments” at Dachau, but for Kindesunterschiebung, the kidnapping of two infants that they claimed Mrs. Rascher had given birth to. This was a very serious crime in Germany. They were also charged with financial irregularities and scientific fraud. Rascher was later moved to the Dachau prison bunker in preparation for being sent to the South Tyrol as part of a prisoner-exchange [3]; his wife to Ravensbruck. They were “executed” right before liberation under unclear circumstances that are too complicated to go into, but were not according to SS procedure. As a doctor, Rascher used Dachau for his investigations into the effects of high altitude on German pilots, commissioned by Himmler for the Luftwaffe. According to the post-war testimony of his assistant Walter Neff (who was also a prisoner), 180 to 200 prisoners, only one a Jew, were provided—the great majority of whom had already been condemned to death by German courts. Forty of them were Russian POWs who were also subject to death because they were Communist Commissars (the “Commissar Order”) and 10 were ‘volunteers.’ Again according to Neff, about 70 to 80 of these prisoners died.[4] Himmler is said to have told Dr. Rascher that the subjects who survived should be pardoned to life imprisonment.[5] If so, this is another indication that the prisoners turned over for this experiment were condemned to death already. It’s also noteworthy that three of the doctors who worked with Rascher on the Luftwaffe high altitude experiments were acquitted at the Nuremberg “Doctor’s Trial” in 1947.[6]

To put this in perspective, let me remark that the Nazi justification for these experiments was that this was done in an effort to save the lives of German pilots. Please remember that the “good” Americans claim their “experimental” atomic bombing of Japanese cities was justified because it saved American servicemen’s lives. These hundred thousand plus of Japanese citizens had not been condemned to death by a court for criminal activities, but they were condemned by the American President and Military Command in absentia! The moral seems to be: killing to save American lives can be justified, but not German lives—victor’s justice. Also, America confiscated the results of the experiments they found by Dr. Rascher and used them for the U.S. Air Force.[7] They also used the results of experiments at Buchenwald. Many of the doctors who did experiments in the camps were brought to America to continue their experiments.

It's quite easy to see why Joachim Neander dodges debate.
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http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2010/02/re ... m-neander/

http://www.revblog.codoh.com/2010/02/se ... j-neander/

Now, Mr. Neander, are you going to give us proof concerning your belief in the utterly impossible as alleged 'gas chambers' and the 'holocaust' storyline? Or will you continue dodging and continue your use of strawman arguments. Oh yes, please show us the alleged 'holocaust' mass graves you so faithfully believe in.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 8 years 10 months ago (Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:38 pm)

I have seen pictures of striped inmates making Mauser type rifles (unknown location). I do not know if they were jews, but I suspect they were. After the war, Israel got the machinery and equipment from Mauser and other small arm weapons factories to produce rifles and pistols in that country. I have read that the jewish inmates who made rifles for Germany moved to Israel and worked on the same equipment to make weapons for their military. That is the inmates that weren't put to death in the non-existent gas chamber.

I have also heard bogus stories from the jews that they were forced to make V2 rockets because the Germans didn't know how to do it themselves. That would explain why there were no Germans in the American space program. Oh wait. There were no jews in the American space program. Well I guess that pops another jewish bubble.

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Re: Products that were produced by inmate labor

Postby joachim neander » 8 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:04 am)

Hannover said:
Now, Mr. Neander, are you going to give us proof concerning your belief in the utterly impossible as alleged 'gas chambers' and the 'holocaust' storyline? Or will you continue dodging and continue your use of strawman arguments. Oh yes, please show us the alleged 'holocaust' mass graves you so faithfully believe in.

If I understand English, the topic of the thread is "Products that were produced by inmate labor."
Will you, Mr. Hannover, allege that "the utterly impossible gas chambers" were produced by inmate labor? Otherwise discussing them here would be off-topic.


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