Piles of Bodies in Photographs?

[Callahan]

This has to be one of the most "taboo" issues to discuss here, as I've had the most difficulty finding anything that disputes this beyond a reasonable doubt: the pictures of gigantic piles of bodies. First of all, is there evidence that there was a certain proportion of Jews/Non-Jews in these piles? Either way, isn't this at least some level of evidence that there may be a real reason to at least consider the "mass grave" hypotheses?

Not trying to conclude anything, myself, just looking for answers.

[Hannover]

This has to be one of the most "taboo" issues to discuss here, as I've had the most difficulty finding anything that disputes this beyond a reasonable doubt: the pictures of gigantic piles of bodies. First of all, is there evidence that there was a certain proportion of Jews/Non-Jews in these piles? Either way, isn't this at least some level of evidence that there may be a real reason to at least consider the "mass grave" hypotheses?

Not trying to conclude anything, myself, just looking for answers.

Completely false, they've been discussed repeatedly. No strawman arguments, please.
What 'piles of bodies are you talking about? The ones of typhus & dysentery victims from a few camps which have been manipulated in the public's mind to mean gassings & mass murder for which there is not a shred of proof? Note: more people died after Belsen was taken over by the British than died previously.
These disease victims photos and discussions are easily found by using our search function.
Would you like to see the 'piles of bodies' of German civilians that were in fact murdered by the Allies? Those photos are here too.
How about the genuine, verifiable, viewable, scientifically conducted forensic excavation of the thousands of Poles slaughtered in the Katyn forest by the Soviets, part of the Allied forces? Many photos here also. Fact: No such excavation can be shown of a single 'holocaust' mass grave as alleged. Not one.
If you have photos that you think support your position then post them, don't just talk in a conditioned manner. Remember, post them in one thread per alleged site / labor camp and see how you do. Read the guidelines, do not attempt to discuss various sites or topics in one thread.
I challenge you to find one topic within the 'holocaust' storyline which we have made 'taboo' and refuse to discuss. Back up your words, 'Callahan'.

- Hannover

[SevenUp]

This has to be one of the most "taboo" issues to discuss here, as I've had the most difficulty finding anything that disputes this beyond a reasonable doubt: the pictures of gigantic piles of bodies. First of all, is there evidence that there was a certain proportion of Jews/Non-Jews in these piles? Either way, isn't this at least some level of evidence that there may be a real reason to at least consider the "mass grave" hypotheses?

Not trying to conclude anything, myself, just looking for answers.

Here is the answer for you, the piles of bodies are photos taken primarily at Belsen at the end of the war, where 35,000 died of typhus and other diseases. THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND. For a reference, See ....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm

Now, let's talk about a real taboo, the pictures you haven't seen as they are unpublishable in the US mainstream media because they are prima facie evidence that the holocaust is a hoax. Not everyone died of typhus at at Belsen, and here is a photos of some of those who did not ...

[The Warden]

http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/libcamps.shtml

A Different Reality

But it is known today that, very soon after the liberation of the camps, American authorities were aware that the real story of the camps was quite different from the one in which they were coaching military public information officers, government spokesmen, politicians, journalists, and other mouthpieces.

When American and British forces overran western and central Germany in the spring of 1945, they were followed by troops charged with discovering and securing any evidence of German war crimes.

Among them was Dr. Charles Larson, one of America's leading forensic pathologists, who was assigned to the US Army's Judge Advocate General's Department. As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4]

Typhus, Not Poison Gas

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death or deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well.

As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen and the other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind that until recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.

Dead doesn't mean murdered.

[jeffersonian]

For me the "Holocaust" debunking is mostly about logic, so I haven't paid much attention to photographs, except to marvel at the astonishing audacity concerning the many fake ones. But I do think that many post-Holocaust critters seem remarkably hale and healthy.

Compare how hard it is to press a reliable photograph into evidence concerning "Trayvon and Zimmerman". A specific incident occurring within weeks of today is easily manipulable. What can they do with photographic material from long ago?

Carolyn Yeager just posted a piece about a famous photo purported to be of E. Wiesel. A computer program disputes the age that would be required for the photo to actually be of Wiesel.

I think the 'many dead bodies' in the camps probably have more to do with Allied war tactics than with German malfeasance. And when you consider what Jews like Billy Wilder can do with images..... just consider that he was among the first to arrive on the scene! The whole thing was psyops.

[Mkk]

It is true that the majority of "holocaust" photographs are from camps taken by the Allies, showing victims of starvation or typhus. There are some other photos that aren't in camps, they have been covered all over this forum. I reccomend you also read:

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcffor.html

[Nessie]

Whilst they say a picture is worth a thousand words, the caption below the picture can also determine the impression of the subject.

Here for example there are images of Jews walking within the camps and they are captioned that they are walking to the gas chambers

http://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2011/ ... -birkenau/

I have seen such on other sites including one arial photo which apprently shows a group walking to the gas chamber.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... 082544.jpg

It reads that anyone on the move was on their way to a gas chamber, but there is nothing to say that is really what was happening. We have no direction of travel or multiple possibilities of where the people were walking to.

[White Wolf]

I've seen many photographs of the alleged "gassing victims" piled a mile high, but have never seen solid proof that there were any gas chambers (other than the widely known and accepted delousing rooms) in any of the camps.

I have also seen in many books, newspapers and websites, the very same photographs used at various camps. Can't have the same "gassing victims" at multiple camps.

All of these photos come from the end of the war when disease was rampant due to the Allied bombing destroying roads and railways that were used to supply the camps with food and medical supplies that could have saved many lives.

I'll stand by three simple words: Niemand Wurde Vergast!

[Zulu]

I've seen many photographs of the alleged "gassing victims" piled a mile high, but have never seen solid proof that there were any gas chambers (other than the widely known and accepted delousing rooms) in any of the camps.

I have also seen in many books, newspapers and websites, the very same photographs used at various camps. Can't have the same "gassing victims" at multiple camps.

All of these photos come from the end of the war when disease was rampant due to the Allied bombing destroying roads and railways that were used to supply the camps with food and medical supplies that could have saved many lives.

I'll stand by three simple words: Niemand Wurde Vergast!

How to make more presentable piles of corpses in order to schock the media.

1. Preparation of a pile of cadavers at Buchenwald

A macabre mise en scène.

Corpses in Buchenwald, which were stacked in pile by Americans
after they'd taken control of the camp.

2. Final photo released

US Senator Alben W. Barkley pictured as posing aside the pile of corpses at Buchenwald.

3. The Tour's Report

ATROCITIES AND OTHER CONDITIONS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN GERMANY .

Report of the Committee Requested by Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower Through The Chief of Staff, Gen. George C. Marshall
to the Congress of the United States Relative to Atrocities and Other Conditions in Concentration Camps in Germany.

79th Congress 1st Session, Document No.47

Presented by Mr. Barkley
May 15 (legislative day, April 16), 1945.—Referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations and ordered to be printed United States Government Printing Office, Washington : 1945

Reporting gas chambers at Dachau to the US Congress

Full Barckley's Report — pdf
Source
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... amber.html

[Callahan]

I appreciate the responses. I'm relatively new to all of this, so I'm still trying to gather what has and hasn't been fully addressed by Revisionism. I probably shouldn't have worded my initial statement as though this topic was "uncharted territory, but I was unable to find anything with the search query "piles of bodies" that highlighted the issue as clearly as what's been presented here, and I've had difficulty finding it anywhere else. I suppose I need to do some more digging... Thank you guys.

[Hektor]

1. Preparation of a pile of cadavers at Buchenwald

Set up of piles of cadavers Dachau.jpg

2. Final photo released

Barckley Final release.jpg

...

I've been wondering about this for a while. Most corpses to be seen, seem to be men in typical military age (18-50). On some pictures it also seems as if the corpses are or have been unloaded from trucks, trailers or trains. Is there any further indication that the corspes have been moved to the camps from somewhere else.

[Zulu]

I've been wondering about this for a while. Most corpses to be seen, seem to be men in typical military age (18-50). On some pictures it also seems as if the corpses are or have been unloaded from trucks, trailers or trains. Is there any further indication that the corspes have been moved to the camps from somewhere else.

I am afraid that, due to the chaotic conditions in all Germany during the last weeks of the war, US troops didn't have much difficulty to gather many cadavers from the morgues or other parts of the camps they had liberated. However, the worst situation was encountered at Bergen Belsen, a camp liberated by British troops, where more than 10,000 inmates died by typhus epidemics under British control.

See The Liberation of Bergen-Belsen

British soldier drives a bulldozer to push bodies into mass grave
at Bergen Belsen

Graphs presented by Robert Faurisson on this article are clear about the dramatic increase of deaths at Dachau during the last days before the liberation of that camp by US troops.

Graphs and photos of Dachau

A U.S. document that, at the U.S. National Archives, accompanied the document that we used for establishing the second graph, shows that in the first seventeen days of May 1945, while U.S. troops had took command of the camp, 1,588 prisoners died, that is to say more than all inmates who died in the year 1943 throughout the time of the German presence (1,100 deaths in 365 days). This fact alone illustrates how much the horrors that one is tempted to put the account of one or other of the belligerents are mainly to be put down to the scourges of war and its accompanying epidemics, famine ...

Death toll in Dachau from Feb. 18, 1940 to April 1945.
Exhibit Nº 35, US National Archives

[Hektor]

....
I've been wondering about this for a while. Most corpses to be seen, seem to be men in typical military age (18-50). On some pictures it also seems as if the corpses are or have been unloaded from trucks, trailers or trains. Is there any further indication that the corspes have been moved to the camps from somewhere else.

Here is an example on what I had in mind:



Some of the clothing looks like military issued.

[Goethe]

Certainly the display appears staged. However, the use of military clothing, shirts, socks, etc, would seem normal in conditions where that may have been the only supply available at the time. I get the impression that the same corpses were photographed repeatedly from different angles and were moved around to make it appear there were more than alleged. I think that point has been made.

The average folk need to realize how deep the psy-ops were during and after the war ... as in all wars I might add. The videos, 'One Third of the Holocaust', reveal that fact quite convincingly. http://codoh.com/library/document/751

[Zulu]

It reads that anyone on the move was on their way to a gas chamber, but there is nothing to say that is really what was happening. We have no direction of travel or multiple possibilities of where the people were walking to.

It seems weird that among numerous photos showing people "on their way to the gas chamber" no one exists which could show "people entering the gas chamber", "people into the gas chamber" or even "people died after being gassed at the gas chamber...What a pity!

Robert Faurisson has showed some photos manipulated in order to be more touching for the audience. He gave as examples these 2 photos. The first was taken by the Russians at Auschwitz, the others are from books:

Morbid Mise en scéne

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The 2 children on the ground died in their bed, However, according with physicians who have analyzed the photo, they were taken out of their bed to be photographed outside.[1]

Added corpses

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The photo 3 on the bottom is a compsition made by using the photo 1 above and adding cadavers taken for another picture. I made the intermediary picture 2 to reframe photo 1 at the same scale than the 3.[2]

Source
1- min 54:01, Robert Faurisson, Le problème des chambres à gaz (English subtitles) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXrycepN5FA
2- min 1:06:10. Ib.