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What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Lamprecht » 7 years 5 months ago (Mon May 21, 2012 2:27 pm)

Let's say that in 10-20 years or so, eventually the truth got out. Historians start to agree that the Holocaust was war-time propaganda, a hoax. Schools teach that 6 million is a gross exaggeration, that gas chambers never existed, and that there was no planned or executed genocide by the Third Reich.

What exactly would that accomplish? Besides history books being a little bit more accurate, what good would come out of the widespread believe that the Holocaust is a lie?
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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Dresden » 7 years 5 months ago (Mon May 21, 2012 3:52 pm)

Lamprecht asked:

"What exactly would that accomplish? Besides history books being a little bit more accurate, what good would come out of the widespread believe that the Holocaust is a lie?

For starters, Germany would be free, and the accusation of "anti-semitism" would be defanged.
It would also open the flood-gates for more historical truth.

Jurgen Graf wrote a book called "Holocaust Revisionism and its Political Consequences"; I'm sorry I don't have a live link to it, but here is an excerpt:

What would happen if the holocaust were publicly exposed as a fraud?

If the holocaust were publicly exposed as a shameless fraud, if people all over
the world learned that, while the Jews undoubtedly were brutally persecuted
during the Second World War, there was no attempt to exterminate them, that
the death factories, gas chambers and gas vans were a Jewish swindle, and that
the six million figure was a fantastic exaggeration, the Zionist-led "New World
Order" would be all but finished.
Germany would become ungovernable; the German people would feel nothing
but hatred and contempt for the politicians, intellectuals and journalists who
betrayed and humiliated them day after day. The whole establishment of the
country would be hopelessly discredited. This the representatives of the
establishment know. On August 15, 1994, journalist Patrick Bahners,
commenting on the trial of revisionist Guenter Deckert who was sent to prison
for "holocaust denial", wrote in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:

"If
Deckert's attitude on the holocaust were correct, the Federal Republic of
Germany would be based on a lie. Every presidential speech, every minute of
silence, every history book would be a lie. Therefore, he [Deckert], by denying
the genocide of the Jews, disputes the legitimicy of the Federal Republic of
Germany."

The problem could hardly be stated more aptly. Some German
opinion makers now openly declare that the Holocaust is the foundation of the
post-war German state. This is shown by a quotation from the influential
newspaper Die Welt (28 April 1994):

"Whoever denies the truth about the
National socialist extermination camps relinquishes the foundations upon which
the Federal Republic of Germany was built."

But also in other Western countries, the belief in the so-called "democratic
system" would be profoundly shaken as people would ask themselves why this
charade had to be propped up with censorship and naked terror for decades.

While the consequences of a public exposure of the holocaust as a fraud would
be most serious for the Western system as a whole, they would be catastrophic
beyond repair for international Jewry and the State of Israel. There would be a
world-wide wave of anti-Jewish feeling, and no non-Jew would be willing to
support the Zionist parasite state any more. German reparations would stop
overnight, and the USA would have to reduce its financial aid to Israel so
drastically that it would be bankrupt after no more than a year. The Jews in Israel
would be utterly demoralised, as they would instinctively understand that a state
founded upon such a colossal fraud has no moral right to exist. Since the
holocaust religion, which unites Jews all over the world, would collapse,
international Jewish solidarity would be a thing of the past. And the anger of the
Palestinians would assume gigantic dimensions as they would understand that
they had their country stolen and their sons shot in the name of a lie.
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby neugierig » 7 years 5 months ago (Mon May 21, 2012 9:21 pm)

And for the reasons cited by Graf et al the Holocaust will never be exposed as a lie. Am I a pessimist? No, just a realist.

Israel will blow up the world before this happens and our “Democracies” also depend on it. Should open research be allowed, the whole of the victor’s version of history will be exposed as lies, not just the Holocaust. No more “Holy War” as per Eisenhower on June 10, 1945, or “Great Patriotic War” as per Soviet/Russian leaders to this day.

Just today Thilo Sarrazin introduced his new book, “Europa braucht den Euro nicht" (Europe does not need the Euro). In it he raised the issue of German sovereignty, and that Germanys policies correctly reflect her responsibility for starting the war – he limits himself to just one – and the mass murder of European Jewry. The sell out of Germany has to be considered as penance for the Holocaust and the world war. Having said that he mumbles something like ‘enough is enough’, after having established and reaffirmed Germanys guilt.

So it goes, on and on, no change in sight. Those who believe that a change is imminent need help.

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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Inquisitor » 7 years 5 months ago (Mon May 21, 2012 10:30 pm)

neugierig wrote:And for the reasons cited by Graf et al the Holocaust will never be exposed as a lie. Am I a pessimist? No, just a realist.

Israel will blow up the world before this happens and our “Democracies” also depend on it. Should open research be allowed, the whole of the victor’s version of history will be exposed as lies, not just the Holocaust. No more “Holy War” as per Eisenhower on June 10, 1945, or “Great Patriotic War” as per Soviet/Russian leaders to this day.

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I agree with this entirely - and at the same time, that is the basis for my opinion of what a vindication of Revisionism would accomplish. That is to say, it would accomplish, at least to some degree a necessary reversal of the whole tale of glorious Allied "liberation" and how the "greatest generation" saved the world, and basically this entire myth of the irredeemably "evil Nazis" and the Jewish "genocide" etc. Modern western "Democracies" are indeed erected upon this whole post "holocaust" narrative - the holy "H" is, either symbolically or literally the foundation upon which nearly all "political-correctness" has been built.(its sister event that undergirds the PC wolrdview would likely be the transatlantic slave-trade, but that's another story unto itself.)

Again, I too sadly do not ever see this happening - for the very reason that it should happen most! Truth - real, open, honest, unadulterated truth about WW2, and the "holocaust" as its spiritual centerpiece, would cause the whole intellectual house-of-cards upon which the modern West now rests to come tumbling down - and it would expose certain forces and their perpetual cheerleaders and henchmen for what they really are...and there is NO WAY they will allow that to happen.

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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby neugierig » 7 years 5 months ago (Mon May 21, 2012 11:44 pm)

Thank you for this, Inquisitor. I just listened to some old German folk songs that brought tears to my eyes, sentimental old fool that I am. The Germany I have known does not exist any longer; it has been destroyed by lies and defamation's. Will it again rise from the ashes? I very much doubt it. Wilhelm Marr wrote in 1879 “Finis Germaniae”, and although every fiber in my body rebels against it, I must agree with him.

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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby borjastick » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 1:23 am)

I covered a very similar issue in my post Revisionists win the War. I have thought about this issue plenty of times recently as we, revisionists, get closer to the truth and exposing it, the responses so far to your thread are concerning Germany. I feel that Israel will feel the brunt of a massive angery response from the world. They would open themselves up to retribution, humiliation and law suits. Should make good TV...

I have an excerpt from my post below.

What would we accept as total victory as opposed to a victory we can feel comfortable with? In those intervening years much has happened in the political world. Tony Blair was, I believe, the first world leader in modern times to actually use the word Palestine and talk of a new future for Palestine and the Palestinian people. This was shocking to many people and it certainly upset the Israelis. Barack Obama has admonished and embarrassed Benjamin Netanyahu. Hitherto US Presidents have treated the Israeli Prime Minister with an almost God like reverence. The media rarely, in Europe at least, talk of six million and gas chambers thesedays. Though I admit the BBC will now and again slip back to their left wing roots and espouse the old mantras. I don’t believe any of these advances would have been possible without revisionists, and websites that have consistently advanced evidence based theories and common sense together with well balanced and thought through debating.

But what would total victory look like to us and is it likely?

The perfect result would be that Israel accepts publicly the death toll from the Holocaust is much less than six million (would we accept two million?), and that gas chambers were not a factor in these deaths.
This is never going to happen. Why? Because in so doing it would make Jews in general and Israel in particular a laughing stock. It would demolish the sympathy they have enjoyed and used so effectively for the past sixty odd years. The very fabric and legitimacy of Israel would be torn to shreds. It would open them up to massive lawsuits for repayment of the billions of dollars they have received, and it would debase all Israel’s claims for the occupied territories. Finally it would serve to generate massive sympathy and cash for a new Palestinian state.

Israel would never recover from this and so it will never happen. The arrogance and blinkered vision of the Zionists stopped them taking several golden opportunities to revise downward the figures, and fall in line with the developing revisionist beliefs of the world. They painted themselves into a corner with never-dry paint, supplied in part by their own hardware store but topped up by us.
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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Steven Willow » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 7:56 am)

The perfect result would be that Israel accepts publicly the death toll from the Holocaust is much less than six million (would we accept two million?), and that gas chambers were not a factor in these deaths.This is never going to happen. Why? Because in so doing it would make Jews in general and Israel in particular a laughing stock. It would demolish the sympathy they have enjoyed and used so effectively for the past sixty odd years. The very fabric and legitimacy of Israel would be torn to shreds. It would open them up to massive lawsuits for repayment of the billions of dollars they have received, and it would debase all Israel’s claims for the occupied territories. Finally it would serve to generate massive sympathy and cash for a new Palestinian state.


Two million would still constitute a so called "genocide" according to the jewish definition. A true revisionist "death toll" would put jewish casualties of WW II at roughly the same as European Catholic, Lutheran or Seventh Day Adventist losses. The only remaining object of jewish lamentation and self comforting piety would be the deaths from among those 150,000 Jews who served the Reich in the military. It would be refreshing to see a monument commemorating these hebrews who fell in battle in defense of the Fuhrer's vision.

I agree that the final expose of the Holohoax myth would make Israel a laughing stock, but do the Zionists really have the power to manipulate and define every aspect of world opinion? Through the work done by revisionists on websites like this, the public will incrementally be drawn closer and closer to the truth until, in a great flood of commulative world consiousness, the lies will be washed away. Opposing us are all the underhanded methods and guile of the Zionists and all the trillions of dollars of US oil interests rivetted to the task of exploiting the Middle East. On our side are great minds and visionaries like Mattogno, Graf and Berg.

Of course, the Germans will be freed from seventy years of self loathing and the sleeping giant of German nationalism will reawaken to calls for a military revival. US military bases on German soil and NATO installations will be justly expropriated for German interests. Likewise, the cramped, inhumane living space of Germans today will be expanded as those empty, poorly managed swaths of Eastern European wasteland become available for German inhabitation and technical knowhow. Where Ukrainian horse carts rumble across dirt roads, superhighways will provide passage for Audis, Porches, BMWs and Mercedes Benzes.

The accomplishments of the Third Reich will no longer be a hidden archive of shame but will burst forth in public monuments to Heydrich and Hitler. This day will come as assuredly as the sun rise.
It is a matter of time.
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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby borjastick » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 10:47 am)

Stephen, I wouldn't go quite that far. You make it sound as though the second coming of the Lord is attached to the truth of the big holohoax being recognised. But I do agree with your thought on the total number of Jews who died in WW2, about 250,000-500,000 is my best guess. None by gassing btw.

My suggestion of 2 million being a figure us revisionists would accept as part of a deal to make the truth about no gassing and no six million dead, was just a thought and a talking point.

You ask whether the Jews can control the media and the truth, especially as internet cumulative knowledge of the real holocaust comes out. Well they have done a very good job so far and I wouldn't put any money on them losing that one. Then again I wouldn't put any money on Facebook making any real money either... The reality is that Israel has many very powerful friends, mainly in the USA of course. They also have so much to lose if it were to be generally accepted and publicised that the Holocaust, as thrust down everyone's throat for the past 65 years, is a load of old tosh. They will do anything, anything to remain the victim of the world's abuse and aggression. That way they protect themselves, and lying about the holocaust as they see it will never cease, because as soon as they let it go they begin to lose the sympathy vote. When that happens they cannot get away so easily with shooting dead Palestinian children before beakfast.

Just remember that phrase by the French ambassador to London about ten years ago when he described Israel as 'that shitty little country.' It hasn't changed at all and as we get further away from the war they will be extra inventive in how they push the Holohoax story at the world, they have to. Because without it they are indeed just a shitty little country.
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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Charles Traynor » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 10:56 am)

The Holocaust will always be regarded as a historical fact throughout the world for as long as the United States taxpayer continues to allow Israel to exist.

Our only hope for a quick ending to the hideous Holocaust lie (within this decade) is a complete economic meltdown in Europe. I am praying Greece defaults on its debts and leaves the Euro zone dragging the rest of Europe down into financial collapse (the road to freedom from usury) with them.

The road to recovery will hurt just as it did for the Germans after the Treaty of Versailles, but even at my age, I would rather be impoverished and eating my meals from a soup kitchen set up by the Red Cross or Salvation Army, than allow the Jew his final victory of destroying Western civilization.
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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Steven Willow » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 11:42 am)

Don't forget that an increasingly impoverished Europe and the continued crumbling of the former members of the Soviet bloc are the results of the Zionist/American stranglehold. Only a reinvigorated Germany can have the power to evict the Zionists by force if needed. But for that to happen the chains of the Holocaust myth must be ripped from the German giant.

Europe has become a colony of the world wide alliance between Zionism and commercial forces, and so long as Holocaust guilt feeds the pacifity of the falsely accused descendants of the once grand culture of Germanic rule, we will have more of the same. Can anyone justify an Israeli army fortified with weapons of mass destruction, while Germany is run by pacifists, crypto-jews and bloated politicians on the Zionist payroll? Would the sorry state of Eurpope be possible with a nuclear armed Germany fortified with reverence for an illustrious past?

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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby Kingfisher » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 1:47 pm)

The world is protected from Revisionism by a firewall: no access to any of the mass media, in which the Authorised Version is regularly trotted out and complete obeissance expected. This is reinforced by "Holocaust education" and Revisionist books are not allowed in public libraries or stocked in any mainstream bookshops. And that's in the countries where they won't actually send you to jail. If the odd virus gets through, the population is so thoroughly immunised (reflex reactions of revulsion and rejection toward "Holocaust deniers") that the infection dies for lack of hosts.

Yes, like Wilf, I'm pessimistic, but is there a way we can have at least a chance of getting through? By far the most hopeful channel is the Internet, which, so far at least, is not controlled: YouTube and Google do not systematically ban us like the MSM do. The best target audience are students: they are young, intelligent, future leaders and most likely to be open minded, even Contrarian. Bradley is right to put the emphasis on freedom of investigation and exposing the dishonesty of the ban on debate and research: these can resonate with people who might not be open to an immediately direct approach. Then, the issue of what happened to the Jews of Europe in WW2 needs to be narrowly defined, and red herrings like Israel or Jewish influence in the present-day world should not be dragged in. If you have strong feelings on such subjects by all means discuss them elsewhere but when it comes to issues of extermination and gas chambers stick to the topic. In the words of Joe Friday: "Gimme the facts, just gimme the facts." It's a factual issue. Your opinions, mine or those of our interlocutors, cannot change anything and should not be allowed to interfere.

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Re: What would revisionism accomplish?

Postby truth » 7 years 5 months ago (Tue May 22, 2012 4:26 pm)

It sure would change a lot if this topic could come out in the open for investigation and discussion. Yet, If the New World Order manages to finish their agenda, and I think they are half done with the job, the Holocaust will become a world wide basis for what is evil (not the gulag of Russia, which killed far more people).

Yes, I do believe that there is no hope for the German culture and language with such kind of evil agendas.

The future of the Elite is: ever more money and power - and less human rights
The future of humanity: total slavery and Monsanto controlled food -
The NWO-Cult: the Holocaust and the Jewish sacrifice - the rest of the sacrifices of humanity does not count as they people are mere animals then.
Result: an uninspiring meaningless World and total stagnation.
And: This whole World may become a single huge concentration camp for humanity - guided by those who hate humanity more than fascism ever could -
Hope: The military will eventually turn against the world elite and protect humanity as that is what they want to do in the first place. It's all or nothing. They themselves will lose their freedoms too.

We need alternative media. I always remember the Geschwister Scholl and their leaflet campaign against Adolf Hitler. The same must be done against these "new" Fascists. They just rained them down in the University. Imagine a campaign at ever University world wide. And, one could even start small - just asking to everyone to research this topic on their own outside the mainstream ideology. One does not even need to deny a thing in order to wake people up. People already hate what is going on and suspect the worst from the elite.

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