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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Zulu » 7 years 4 months ago (Fri May 18, 2012 2:08 pm)

Werd wrote:I tend to agree with Douglas way above and Baron just now. Irving getting simple facts wrong doesn't bode well for his reputation. Neither does his apparent gas chamber affirmation. Am I the only one who sees a pattern with David the wack job Irving? If Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf and Jurgen Graaf have problems with Irving, then maybe we should listen.

Irving won't stop to be a pain in the ass of serious revisionism. Because of his disproportionate pride and excessive arrogance, he lost his trial against Liptadt. He thought rashly that it was not necessary to require the help of serious revisionists to strengthen his position and of a lawyer who dominates the legal procedures. He thought he could get away by himself only against a battalion of lawyers and researchers exterminationist financed by the millions $ of Jewish lobbies. Bad for him.
That circus didn't stop in 2000. There is more to be. On April 2009, Lipstadt had announced on his blog the preparation of a movie based on his book "History on Trial". If such film is actually made, we can then prepare ourselves for a typical biased exterminationist recite in which Liptadt will be introduced as a Holohero (Emma Thomson?) despite she was totally mute during the trial. And, by any chance, the holes will finally appear at Krema II...

The article on Liptadt's blog "History on Trial" Optioned for a Movie gives links towards 2 comments on the press.

'Soloist' team will put history on 'Trial' by Michael Fleming
Film based on true story of Deborah Lipstadt, 'History on Trial'
"The Soloist" partners Participant Media and Krasnoff/Foster Entertainment will next duet on "History on Trial."
It will be the true story of Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of Jewish Studies at Emory U., who was forced to defend herself in a courtroom and prove the existence of the Holocaust.

Book to Film News - 'Reaper' Writers and 'History on Trial' by Monika Bartyzel
Basically, she named David Irving (author of WWII books) as a Holocaust denier in a book about the denial movement, and he sued her. Under British law, the burden of proof landed at her feet and the trial became a he-said, she-said about whether the Holocaust happened, including claims from him that Anne Frank's diary was a romantic novel and "more people died in Ted Kennedy's car at Chappaquidick than in the gas chambers at Auschwitz." Max Borenstein will pen the adaptation, and as of now, no director is attached. It's way too early to cast, but I'm going to throw out a name anyway -- Emma Thompson as Lipstadt.

It seems that there is nothing cooking for a soon release. A quick research with "Lipstadt" on IMDB gives only 3 hits. Beside her academic consultancy in the documentary "The American Experience" (episode "America and the Holocaust: Deceit and Indifference", 1994), she appeared as herself in 'The O'Reilly Factor' and as guest in The Charlie Rose Show (2011). Nothing about the trial's stuff.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby ganglere » 7 years 3 months ago (Sun May 20, 2012 12:29 pm)

Good evening ladies and gentlemen!

There is definetily a huge difference between the Irving versus Lipstadt and the Zündel trials in Canada 85-88, and naturally the corresponding media coverage. From the hoaxters point of view Irving was the best.

The Zündel trials where ground-breaking for the revisionist cause (and thus viritually unknown today).

The slaughter of Irving, on the other hand, got all the publicity it needed.

Now, if for instance, a boxer is about to go up in the ring against a knowingly superior opponent, and decides not to train heavily, and does'nt listen to the advice of his coach, I can only conclude one of two things: 1. He has totally lost it.
2. He has been payed to take a dive.

Now. I am not explicitly claiming that this is so, but I cannot shake the suspision either.

Any thoughts on this would be welcome.

Humbly yours

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Zulu » 7 years 3 months ago (Mon May 21, 2012 9:56 am)

ganglere wrote:The slaughter of Irving, on the other hand, got all the publicity it needed.

Now, if for instance, a boxer is about to go up in the ring against a knowingly superior opponent, and decides not to train heavily, and does'nt listen to the advice of his coach, I can only conclude one of two things: 1. He has totally lost it.
2. He has been payed to take a dive.

3- Disproportionate pride and excessive arrogance which coud blind any common sense.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed May 30, 2012 2:27 pm)

Irving admits that he never read Mein Kampf. Here's a quote from D.D.Gutenplan on David Irving's own website at http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/trial/guttenplan/atlm1.html:

A year earlier Irving had won the school prize for art appreciation. The award was a book of his choice -- to be presented by the deputy prime minister. "I filled in the form saying the prize I wanted to receive was Mein Kampf. I arranged for the local press to be there en masse to take a photograph of the deputy prime minister giving me a copy of Mein Kampf. I went up on stage and picked up this prize -- and it was a German-Russian technical dictionary! I've never read Mein Kampf from that day to this."


Gutenplan seems to be a good friend of Irving and wrote favorably about his performance during the Lipstadt trial. So, his quote is likely to be accurate.

Irving is a kind of Ned Buntline (that great liar about the American West) who tells entertaining, shoot-em-up stories with lots of drama and action but who has no insight or even interest in the underlying issues or causes. He is a court jester or entertainer who essentially glorifies the powers that be--and gets some money in the process. That ain't "real history" at all, folks!

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby EtienneSC » 7 years 3 months ago (Wed May 30, 2012 2:48 pm)

He might have read it before the prize ceremony though, mightn't he?

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Werd » 6 years 1 week ago (Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:46 pm)

I am bumping this topic because apparently someone on this board thinks Irving is a credit to revisionism. Fine. He has said some good things, but nothing that was good for revisionism ever came out of his mouth ORIGINALLY. Without guys like Zundel, Rudolf, Leuchter, etc THERE WOULD BE NO IRVING.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Werd » 6 years 1 week ago (Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:48 pm)

Okay well he did publish HITLER'S WAR early in the seventies, but he never really had his heart into reivionism. I just got the book SELLING HITLER by Robert Harris and he illustrates how Irving flip flopped on the Hitler diaries at a time when it was convenient for him to pose as an expert and get money from newspapers and get interviews and fame at a time when his finances were dwindling. Irving is an opportunist. Zundel, Rudolf, Leuchter, et all were the real deal. Hell there are Jewish Revisionists more credible than him. In fact I made a huge thread on here a long time ago about AND ONLY about jewish revisionists.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 week ago (Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:38 pm)

Certainly, Irving's lust for the spotlight and a few shekels, rather than good work, has betrayed him. It seems all too familiar.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby hermod » 6 years 1 week ago (Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:55 am)

Interesting article by Mattogno about the late discovery of the 'Red House' (Bunker 1) at Auschwitz: http://vho.org/tr/2003/2/Mattogno176-183.html

Seven buildings in the infamous Auschwitz concentration camps are claimed to have been equipped with one or more homicidal gas chambers. Five of those buildings were the former Auschwitz crematoria. One smaller crematorium was located in the Auschwitz main camp, and four big crematoria were erected in the huge sub-camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. Since the end of World War Two, it was claimed that the gas chambers in those crematoria were the locations of the biggest mass slaughter that ever took place in human history. Allegedly of minor importance were two former farm houses outside of the immediate perimeter of the Birkenau camp that are said to have been converted into gas chambers as well. A sudden turn happened in the middle of 2002, when a German mainstream journalist published a thesis according to which the Auschwitz crematoria did not, after all, serve as locations for mass slaughter. In his view, the two farm houses were the real location of this atrocity. Though this thesis was badly flawed, it came in quite handy that just a year prior to the publication of this journalist's provocative thesis news spread through Europe's media that finally, after over 55 years, the actual location of one of these farm houses had been located-meaning that so far, no traces of this ominous farm house were known.


That's the kind of 'evidence' now convincing Irving there were homicidal gassings at Auschwitz... :roll:

If they keep moving their Holo-myth, they will end in China. Maybe they'll have to recycle the "Shanghai gas chamber" hoax (http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... 19dd20b5d1)... :wink:
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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby EtienneSC » 6 years 1 week ago (Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:21 am)

From Irving's website today (Monday 9 September 2013):
Yesterday Mr Irving's group visited the deserted forest site of the Operation Reinhardt camp in Sobiibór, Eastern Poland, where (as British codebreaking proved) 101,000 Jews were put to death in the last eight months of 1942 and even more in 1943.

Note: this kind of text does not appear to remain on the website for more than a few days.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby borjastick » 6 years 1 week ago (Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:26 am)

EtienneSC wrote:From Irving's website today (Monday 9 September 2013):
Yesterday Mr Irving's group visited the deserted forest site of the Operation Reinhardt camp in Sobiibór, Eastern Poland, where (as British codebreaking proved) 101,000 Jews were put to death in the last eight months of 1942 and even more in 1943.

Note: this kind of text does not appear to remain on the website for more than a few days.


Have the boys from whatreallyhappened.info got any comments on this claim that the code breakers proved this kind of mass murder?
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 week ago (Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:41 am)

... (as British codebreaking proved) 101,000 Jews were put to death in the last eight months of 1942 and even more in 1943.
Oh really? Talk is cheap when it comes to the so called 'holocaust'.
Then let's see these decodes. What is the provenance? When was the text of the decodes 'discovered'? Why haven't we heard of them before? Why have so called 'holocaust' scholars ignored these alleged decodes? Where are the human remains which would necessarily exist, if true.

Heretofore, real British decodes actually refute the 'holocaust' nonsense. See:
Concentration Camp Vital Statistics

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby hermod » 6 years 1 week ago (Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:23 pm)

EtienneSC wrote:From Irving's website today (Monday 9 September 2013):
Yesterday Mr Irving's group visited the deserted forest site of the Operation Reinhardt camp in Sobiibór, Eastern Poland, where (as British codebreaking proved) 101,000 Jews were put to death in the last eight months of 1942 and even more in 1943.



So the Nazis carefully concealed their alleged massacres by gas at Auschwitz...

Sir Francis Harry Hinsley (1918 - 1998) was British historian, who had worked as cryptanalyst at Bletchley Park during World War Two.

In 1981 he published volume 2 of British Intelligence in the Second World War: Its Influence on Strategy and Operations, in which he wrote how none of the German radio messages from Auschwitz intercepted by the British make any reference to people being gassed there.

"The returns from Auschwitz, the largest of the camps with 20,000 prisoners, mentioned illness as the main cause of death, but included references to shootings and hangings. There were no references in the decrypts to gassing." (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q='The+r ... Bg&prmdo=1)

The Holocaust Inquisition has an answer for this:

"... hardly surprising, given the Nazis' policy of not mentioning the gas chambers explicitly in any of their communications with one another." (http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/evans/340a)

http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blog ... sages.html


...but we are supposed to believe they carelessly talked about 100,000+ executions at Sobibor. :shock:

What about their alleged Policy (for which there's zero evidence) of not mentioning their gassings in their communications? What their alleged genocidal code words and euphemisms?

Shouldn't Mr Irving have learnt something about the 'too good to be true' documents after being duped by the fake documents about Himmler's death that were recently planted in the British National Archives at Kew?
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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby cold beer » 6 years 1 week ago (Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:59 am)

Maybe this entire progression with David Irving was mapped out this way right from the start.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Hannover » 6 years 1 week ago (Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:57 am)

cold beer wrote:Maybe this entire progression with David Irving was mapped out this way right from the start.
I seriously doubt that. That idea would seem to require a more logical progression rather than his nonsensical hodge-podge of silly assertions. IMO, Irving's erratic claims are a result of his erratic personality more than anything else. He is, as they say, 'a piece of work'. Too bad, he "could've been a contender". :roll:

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