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Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912? / sonderkommandos

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:26 am)

I'm not sure if you discussed this subject before.
Please have a look and let me know what do you think?
Hoax in hoax or a truth?
I wasn't able to dig any more pictures in relation to 1912 Ohio train crash.

If we could prove BEYOND ANY DOUBT that the picture in American program is REALLY the picture of 1912 Ohio train crash ..
On another hand we have to consider that the program itself could be a trap to discredit the holo-revisionist movement.

Did a TV show on ghosts tamper with a famous Holocaust photo claiming it was a 1912 train-wreck, or vice-versa?



The famous photo taken in Auschwitz by a sonderkommando and smuggled out. :)

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"Auschwitz: SS soldiers burning prisoner corpses"
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/medi

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Still from a recent episode of Ghost Adventures, where they have erased all the corpses and claim it's a photo of a 1912 train crash in Dresden, Ohio
http://img824.imageshack.us/i/trainwreck


Details of the train crash
http://www3.gendisasters.com/ohio/14866/

Historic Railroad Accident Reports
http://www.railaccrep.com/pdf/cno110.pdf

Episode of the show, from 7:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ZV5EopXAzI

(However:the picture shown in 8.14 sec appears to be of the picture from Japan after the explosion of atomic bomb in Hiroshima...
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/0 ... s_ago.html
Where is the truth?-Jerzy)

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Ohio1912
Auschwitz
http://i51.tinypic.com/b6r5nr.png
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"I made a composite of the two images also.
I tinted one red and the other blue to differentiate between the two in the composite.
The blue photo (top) was blended into the bottom photo (Red)(Ohio) to create the composite photo. (Center)(Auschwitz)
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Everything in both photos that are original blend together perfectly in the composite.
The drawn in dead bodys however do not.
They are clearly not a part of the original image.
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To get a better view of the dissimilar properties of the drawn in images vs the original back ground, copy composite image (the top image) to your desk top and zoom in on the "bodies."
You can actually see the border line between the drawn in dead bodys and the real image.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTf9d4_x ... r_embedded
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t778739-15/

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http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/ee7019774a9 ... 9214c0.jpg

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http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/d8afa0f751a ... dd12ff.jpg

What do you think?
We knew since long time that the "famous' picture was a fake(Udo Valendy) but this?:)

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912

Postby borjastick » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:22 am)

Jerzy I would be very interested to hear what Hannover et al would say to your hypothesis. It is very interesting. The train crash tv programme would appear to me to be a red herring. The pictures of the train crash not only show no burning and smoke but appear to be of a different quality, so I doubt this connection.

That this picture is a fake and was 'manipulated' and subjected to apres shot airbrush work is not in doubt. I think the men working are nothing to do with the German army, highly likely these are shots taken at the end of the war, perhaps local workers or similar after the camp was liberated. I am no expert in the background to this shot, but I am sure you will get some tasty answers.

Nice work though and I particularly like the way you have coloured and separated the elements revealing the obvious fakery.
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912

Postby Toshiro » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:38 am)

No. They just found some pictures off the internet by searching for "burn victims", "burning corpses" or something like that. The Hiroshima picture proves this. The low quality is probably because of Youtube's rendering or the rendering of the source video directly from television to a DivX/Xvid format for PC. Similar pixels are "joined" together to compress the video. This results in lesser quality, but smaller video size. The photo is of bad black and white quality to begin with, so when you compress it further it gets even worse.

This is an entertainment show after all, not a historic one.

Thread should be deleted or moved here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1103&start=60
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:56 am)

"That this picture is a fake and was 'manipulated' and subjected to apres shot airbrush work is not in doubt. I think the men working are nothing to do with the German army, highly likely these are shots taken at the end of the war, perhaps local workers or similar after the camp was liberated. I am no expert in the background to this shot, but I am sure you will get some tasty answers.

Nice work though and I particularly like the way you have coloured and separated the elements revealing the obvious fakery."


Thanks for complement but it was not me:)
I just copied the links and pictures:)
I know since many years that the picture presented as "gas chambers victims burned in open pits" is a fake.
But by accident I come across this interesting compilation :)
I spend last 8 hours searching for more pictures in vain.
I know that Washington Post 1912 published several pictures from the accident.

This one,bellow is from internet as well .Source unknown.

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What is interesting,however ,is the fact that on the picture used by tv program the number of "bodies" is much smaller then in the "SS -burning... pictures" from the "holo-ortodox" sources -bellow

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Another version of the "angle" picture: :)
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I will do my best to get more pictures from the accident.If they are somewhwere.. :)
You never know... :)

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:01 pm)

Toshiro wrote:
Similar pixels are "joined" together to compress the video


What are you saying, the corpses (whether drawn in or genuine) are present in the Ghost Hunter's version, but are just not visible?
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:07 pm)

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:

I know that Washington Post 1912 published several pictures from the accident


How do you know that?
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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Toshiro » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:14 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:Toshiro wrote:
Similar pixels are "joined" together to compress the video


What are you saying, the corpses (whether drawn in or genuine) are present in the Ghost Hunter's version, but are just not visible?

Yes, I think they got "smudged" out in the rendering/compressing process and "blended" together with the ground pixels.

I can't take an entertainment show about ghosts seriously in this regard, especially when they show photos of Hiroshima burn victims as the train crash victims.

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:17 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:Jerzy Ulicki-Rek wrote:

I know that Washington Post 1912 published several pictures from the accident


How do you know that?


I spend several hours looking on internet .Few papers from that era wrote about the crash.Pictures must be in their archives."Washing Post " is one of them.
But not being a member of fold3.com I do not have an access :
http://www.fold3.com/document/224306206/

http://www.fold3.com/search.php?query=D ... ry+Records

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There is something else triggered by the information of the tv program we are talking about.
We knew since long time that the infamous "SS burning bodies.." pictures is a fake .Udo Waledy did an excellent work on it few years ago.
By for some reason I was never trying to locate the original which was used a a base for the fake.
NO matter if this was the Ohio 1912 or something else-there must be somewhere the original picture used later by holo-liars.
Tv program just pointed my attention to this fact.
If we could locate this picture..
It may not be the Dresden 1912 but it is a picture of something..
Of ..what?
What is this origin of the picture presented later as "Auschwitz special"?


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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby ovd1965 » 4 years 11 months ago (Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:08 am)

Here is the solution : http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 645AACOtIG

the tv makers a f... holo deniers ! :-)

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby ovd1965 » 4 years 11 months ago (Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:17 am)

did you ask the "Newark Advocate", Ohio (article mentioned on gendisaster) for photos or copies from archive ?

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby ovd1965 » 4 years 11 months ago (Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:29 am)


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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:48 am)

ovd1965 wrote:did you ask the "Newark Advocate", Ohio (article mentioned on gendisaster) for photos or copies from archive ?


Not yet.

I did try to use a short-cut:

"Hello George,



Thank you for contacting the Ohio Historical Society about photographs relating to this 1912 train accident. I haven’t been able to locate any relevant images in our Ohio Memory digital collection using the search terms you specified in your message, but you may have some luck browsing the digital images using other details related to the accident (nearby cities, the railroad name, etc.). If you find any images that you’re interested in obtaining as a reproduction, I’ve attached our image order form, which includes a fee schedule to help clarify costs.



I’ve also copied our Reference department on this message in case they’re able to help you identify collections in our archives that may include related images. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns. Thank you!



Lily Birkhimer

Assistant Curator, Digital Services

Ohio Historical Society
800 E. 17th Ave.
Columbus, OH 43211
(614) 297-2558

[email protected] "

-but will follow up next week.

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby tyger » 4 years 11 months ago (Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:25 am)

If you are looking for this kind of material I'd suggest contacting a railroad enthusiasts club in the area.

They will know if photographs exist.

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912 ?

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:58 am)

Dear George,



Thank you for contacting the Ohio Historical Society. Your message below regarding a Dresden, Ohio train accident was forwarded to the Reference Services Department ( [email protected] ).



I searched our catalog and various audiovisual indexes but was not able to locate any photographs of the train accident among our collections. There does not appear to be a Dresden Historical Society, but you may want to contact the nearby Pioneer & Historical Society of Zanesville as well as the Muskingum County Library System. Perhaps they have some useful resources or suggestions for your research.



Pioneer & Historical Society of Zanesville

115 Jefferson St

Zanesville, OH 43701

(740) 454-9500

http://www.muskingumhistory.org/



Muskingum County Library System

John McIntire Library

220 N Fifth St

Zanesville, OH 43701

(740) 453-0391

http://www.muskingumlibrary.org/



Muskingum County Library Sytem

Dresden Branch

816 Main St

Dresden, OH 43821

(740) 754-1003

http://www.muskingumlibrary.org/



Sincerely,



Travis Kokas

Reference Services Department

Ohio Historical Society

NOTE: We are not moving, but we have a New Address

800 E. 17th Ave.

Columbus, OH 43211

(614) 297-2510

[email protected]

www.ohiohistory.org

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From: George Ulicki -Rek [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:03 AM
To: images
Subject: Dear Sir/Madame



I try to locate any pictures(as many as possible ) of a train accident in Dresden,OHIO in December 1912

Could you help?

Regards

George Rek

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Re: Train crash site:Dresden,Ohio 1912

Postby Jerzy Ulicki-Rek » 4 years 11 months ago (Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:20 pm)

Toshiro wrote:No. They just found some pictures off the internet by searching for "burn victims", "burning corpses" or something like that. The Hiroshima picture proves this. The low quality is probably because of Youtube's rendering or the rendering of the source video directly from television to a DivX/Xvid format for PC. Similar pixels are "joined" together to compress the video. This results in lesser quality, but smaller video size. The photo is of bad black and white quality to begin with, so when you compress it further it gets even worse.

This is an entertainment show after all, not a historic one.

Thread should be deleted or moved here: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 3&start=60


"Illustration 14 (right): An enlargement of illustration 13, in G. Schoenberner, op. cit. (Note [39]), p. 162. The left arm of the man stepping over the supposed bodies is far too long and seems to have two elbows. What is more, the bodies lying on the ground are not only in very poor focus but also anatomically impossible
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http://www.codoh.com/library/document/924
What it looks like the victim "hair' is really a grass left over from the original picture.

It is very possible that the picture published in tv program is the original one.
Later "bodies' were added for effect :)
If we could locate the original picture we will blow the holo-crap sky-high.
Do you think is worth to try?
Let's join our efforts.

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek
ps.According to holo-myth members of "Sonndercommando " are dragging the victims of gas chambers to a "burning pits".
Did they have a mufti day for this occasion?
No striped uniforms compulsory for all prisoners?
Jerzy


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