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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby nickterry » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:17 pm)

Reviso wrote:
nickterry wrote:
Reviso wrote:Thanks for the answer. May I ask whether it was used against revisionism ?

whether what was used against revisionism?

My question had been clearer under the following form : "May I ask whether these Abstracts were used against revisionism ?" It was only a question. If the Israeli statistics can say how much persons came from Poland or from Ukraine immediately after the war, couldn't it be relevant ?

The statistics do indeed say this as far as I am aware. The number of Polish Jews immigrating from 1948 onwards was about 170,000. Figures for the Soviet Union are negligible for the 1940s and 1950s but rise in the 1970s once the 'refuseniks' were allowed to leave. Since Polish Jews did not immigrate directly from Poland to Palestine/Israel but via Germany-Austria-Italy and DP camps, the statistics must relate to country of origin.

While there are a few hoops to go through, the numbers for Polish Jews after the war are quite good, since there was a rapid population registration for the Jewish community in earlt 1945 before the end of the war, showing very very few survivors who had been in hiding. Then the Polish Jews who had been evacuated into the USSR were repatriated, along with Jews with Polish nationality from before 1939 out of western Belarus, western Ukraine and Vilno. The repatriatons left more statistics. In 1945-47 the Polish Jewish community was continually registered and showed the expected growth due to the repatriations + some returning from camps in Germany. Then it fell, so that the Polish Jews went into Germany and were registered at DP camps. From the DP camps, they then began the process of emigrating to Palestine/Israel, so they show up in statistics or retrospective censuses in Israel. Thus, the same 100-200,000 people appear in statistics of four different countries/authorities.

But there is a problem with this. I know cases of Jewish former concentration camp inmates who went in Palestine immediately after the war (perhaps as a result of the pressures Isaac Deutscher speaks of) and who after one or two years came back in their country of origin, where they meanwhile had been classified as missing persons, because they had not reported their return before the prescribed time limit. The files where they were classified as missing persons were never updated.

This would not affect the overall statistical picture materially, certainly not on a mass scale. There are too many places where someone would have to be registered at some point on the criss-crossing journeys. Most decent demographic studies allow for groups who stayed abroad or re-emigrated in other directions. And by the 1950s, things have settled down, so people are usually counted in censuses and other records/statistics.

Former concentration camp inmates can be tracked statistically and by name through the Nazi camp system quite well in the later war years. There simply weren't millions of Jews in the KZ system in 1945, since it only held 700,000 prisoners in January 1945 and saw quite high losses before the end of the war, not to mention holding a very large number of non-Jewish prisoners. Depending on the camp there would be a name register (eg Flossenburg's is very good) and thus, people can be tracked historically to specific regions in 1945.

Jewish former KZ inmates who did not return home (to where?), but stayed in Germany/Austria were generally registered as Displaced Persons, leaving a file card which is now in the ITS Arolsen collection. To get food, you needed to be registered somewhere, you needed an ID card. While there was not perfect record keeping during immigration to Palestine before 1948 or immediately afterwards, there was a lot of record keeping there, too. In fairly short order there would also be emigration statistics kept by the Israeli authorities. Once arriving back at a country of origin then as I said, more registrations, more censuses.

In the end there probably were some people who eluded registration entirely but the same could be said for the starting point of national censuses and wartime registrations in the 1930s and 1940s. One would accept a certain percentage who are forever 'in flux', but not more than a tiny minority. And certainly not 5+ million.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby nickterry » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:18 pm)

Hannover wrote:Israeli statistics? Is this a joke?

Since when is 'Israel' honest about anything? According to them they have no nuclear weapons, but the entire world knows they have hundreds. Israel denies the mass murder, ethnic cleansing, and obliteration of countless Palestinian villages while the facts that they have done this are irrefutable.

That "shitty little country" with it's blatantly violent, racist / apartheid policies would never under count it's Jewish population in order to assist in the 'holocaust' scam. No, they would never do that. Reminds me of the highly touted economic statistics presented by the Soviet Union before they imploded because of a pathetic economy.

Once again, Nick Terry makes a claim which relies upon the 'gas chambers' story being fact, yet he cannot prove that the alleged 'gas chambers' existed. He cannot even demonstrate how these 'gas chambers' supposedly worked. I call that a Revisionist victory over Nick Terry.

- Hannover

So you're claiming that Israel has systematically undercounted its Jewish population since 1948 in order to "assist in the holocaust scam". That is a positive assertion which requires evidence, Hannover. Have you got any?

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Amir » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:29 pm)

Nick Terry:

To start things off...

Please Nick Terry, you are forgetting something very very important.

When you use the term "The Holocaust," what exactly are you saying?

So before you begin, please tell us what is your definition of "The Holocaust" is.

We need to know exactly what Holocaust you are talking about. Who the victims of this Holocaust were, who were the perpetrators. When did it happen? Where did it happen?

Please don't forget to tell us exactly what countries this Holocaust happened in.

Please be as clear and comprehensive as you possibly can.

Thank you.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Hannover » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:35 pm)

So you're claiming that Israel has systematically undercounted its Jewish population since 1948 in order to "assist in the holocaust scam". That is a positive assertion which requires evidence, Hannover. Have you got any?

Well yes, I have. I cited 'Israel's' lack of credibility in anything. And since you, nor anyone else can prove that millions of Jews were gassed, the fact remains that 'Israel's' laughable censuses were / are necessarily fraudulent.

We do note that you dodge the 'gas chambers'.

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Breker » 8 years 4 months ago (Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:01 pm)

There's a big problem here with Mr. Terry's selective use of Israeli census data; he does not give US census data for arrival of Jews in the United States, or data from South America, Australia, Canada, and elsewhere. It is very well known that Jews basically flooded out of Europe after WWII into these countries.
Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby borjastick » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:04 am)

The problem here is that essentially Mr Terry believe whatever is put in front of him if it is from an 'official' source. He talks of Polish jews evacuated into Russia being repatriated back to Poland. As usual this is a sweeping statement presented as total truth. It is just left hanging there as supportive 'fact' which most who do not understand the case will accept. Like the Hoefle telegram in a separate thread yesterday.

The actual reality of the jews and catholics evacuated by Russia into Ukraine etc is that many thousands, perhaps, more did NOT return to Poland. Therefore they would have been recorded as missing presumed dead and recorded as such.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby skeptical » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:35 am)

I just read a piece by Werner Weinberg "why I did not leave Germany in time"...
He describes the events from Hitler's rise to Crystal Nacht..
He clearly describes the mad scramble to leave... How everyone who could leave did leave and the terror the Jews felt.
My questions is this, surely many Jews simply discarded their faith, why do I never see an assessment of that group?
If being Jewish equaled death there would be no shame in hiding or abandoning the faith (didn't the same course guide the Jews of Spain through the inquisition?).
Werner's depiction describes a community who's chief members had left well before Crystal Nacht... "a mad scramble to leave"
You seem to describe a world where folks waited patiently to die rather than taking the painful, yet life saving, step of walking away from the synagogue.
On the ADL website it says Jewish people "could not easily blend in".... Why would that be?
I think that horrified, desperate, people... "madly scrambling" to escape would find ways to avoid the net...
Nick Terry..... Who has addressed this subject?
I'm no historian, but I believe that my questions are important, not because they carry the stamp of authority but because they don't, because I am willing to take great risks to ask them.
It takes little courage to ask if the emperor's new frock is blue or red but it takes great courage to ask the emperor's enforcers why the man with no clothes is walking about the city.
So Nick, that is my question, how do you know that the Jews of Hitler's realm didn't morph into non-Jews?
It seems that Jerusalem morphed into a Christian city and then a Muslim city... Maybe the change was just in the hearts of the people rather than their addresses. So flatten this nail with the silliness to stand above the plane, give me an explanation that proves 5 million are missing rather than simply blending in to the background? I read stories all the time of folks "discovering" that they were Jewish...
Maybe we should search for the lost ones... Imagine how uplifting it would be if we discovered that Man's inhumanity to Man was not as terrible as we have been raised to believe.... Imagine your career as a voyage of discovery rather than an endless dirge. If you are wrong and the revisionists are right you must admit that this macabre endless parade of death presented to every third grader might be doing the western world great harm.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Lohengrin » 8 years 4 months ago (Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:40 pm)

To debunk once and for all the total nonsense of the "Six Million Jews murdered by the Nazi's", I placed March last year Ten Proofs of it. Each of this Ten Proofs in itself disproves this nonsensical claim, not to mention the cumulative destructive force of all those alltogether.

So, nickterry, make a try, and give point-by-point your factual refutation of all of the given facts and evidency. But remember, if only ONE of them isn't properly refuted, you and your fellow believers are Loosers once more.

The Number 11 Proof is given to you on the forehand as a Bonus: You don't have any proof whatsoever which makes "6 Million Murdered Jews" acceptable, except the Talmud.

Post by Lohengrin » Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:49 pm

Ten proofs against Six Million Jews murdered in ‘the Holocaust’

The final end of the Myth

Six million murdered Jews in a "Holocaust" is a Talmudic topic, a Jewish religious metaphor for disaster, distributed for centuries, without any concrete base. The IMT at Nuremberg in 1945, re-enacted this number taken as 'evidence' two bad "hearsay witnesses", whom supposed "spokesman" Eichmann called "phantasts". There was and is no justification for this now by historians called ‘symbolic’ number. The religious character of it is confirmed by the current political and dogmatic Stalinist fixation and the rather inquisitorial persecution of critics in many Western countries.

All this suffices to speak of this fixed quota as a religious myth. However, to deal for good with this Talmudic mantra, I give Ten concrete proofs of the fallacy of this obligatory imposed and far too high number. Not because a lower number is less gruesome or sad, but simply because historical truth deserves primacy above myths.

The next ten concrete proofs showing each in itself the impossibility of this Holocaust Number:

1. The actual number of Jews under German regime never exceeded 4.5 million.
2. Jewish-stated numbers of Jews in the World before and after the War.
3. Demographic impossibility phenomenon: number of Jews before and after the War.
4. Jews emigrated and taking refuge to the Soviet Union.
5. An empirical-statistical approach.
6. Number of Jews who applied for survivor pensions.
7. Retro calculation survivors 1945, based on the number of living survivors in 2004.
8. Unproven "gas chambers" and "mass gassings”.
9. Lack of remains, mass graves and ash quantities make ‘Six Million’ implausible.
10. Ratio of Jews killed in camps/elsewhere.

The complexity of the matter is significant because of the many factors affecting any given number, from the definition who is Jewish, the mobility of Jews themselves, border changes before, during and after the War, to political motives behind presented numbers, etc. Not being sure whether all sources and quantities are correct, certain is however, that numbers without sources ("Six Million") are incorrect! I apologize for some inevitable complex figures, but truth about the Holocaust is only to be found in the details.

1. The actual number of Jews under the German regime never exceeded 4.5 million

The number of Jews under German administration can be deduced from pre-war Jewish population statistics, the Wannsee Protokoll, the Korherr Report from the Wartime German Office of Statistics and research, and by serious demographers as Prof. W.N. Sanning (Sanning, Walter N., The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. Institute for Historical Review. 1989. ISBN 0-939484-11-0. German translation: Die Auflösung des osteuropäische Judentum. 1983. © Grabert-Verlag, Tübingen. ISBN 3-87847-06-02.), dr. C. Nordling (The Jewish Establishment under Nazi-Threat and Domination, 1938-1945. 1990. The Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 10, no. 2, p. 195, ISSN 0195-6752), Prof. F. Hankins, (How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? 1983. The Journal of Historical Review, 1990. Vol. 4, no. 1, p. 61. ISSN 0195-6752), as well as surveys, studies and statements by other independent experts.
Jewish population statistics indicate at the beginning of the War (1939) around 9 million European Jews: 8,861,800, 8,939,608 (American Jewish Congress (figure) and 9.3 million. This also included Jews in the European part of Russia (3,020,143) and Ukraine. Historian Yehuda Bauer of the Yad Vashem memorial in Israel too spoke of nine million Jews in Europe (A History of the Holocaust, New York: Franklin Watts, 1982, ISBN 0-531-098621). This makes 9 million Jews in Europe in 1939 a fair assumption.


Poland was recorded before its division, including Jews in parts of Ukraine and Belarus, then belonging to Poland; according to the AJC a total of 3,113,900 Jews.

Far from all European Jews came under German rule. Prof. Sanning shows that late 1939 in the German annexed part of Poland, the factual number of Jews under German occupation were not 3,113,900, as Holocaust resources usually mention, but 2,356,900 less (!), being 757,000. This 2.3 million lower number can be derived out of the following facts:
1. Between 1931 and 1939 the number of Jews in Poland reduced with 480,900 (15.4%) due to Jewish emigration and high excess mortality, to 2,633,000.
2. Of these, 1,026,000 were in Soviet-occupied Poland, so theoretically 1,607,000 remained under German government.
3. Hundreds of thousands fled to Soviet territory right away (among them the late Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin), while the Germans also expelled large groups of Jews over the border. West German, Zionist, American and Polish sources leave no doubt that after the German occupation, only 757,000 Jews came under German administration (Sanning, p. 39 ff).
In Germany 1939 were in 240,000 Jews, in Austria 191,408, in Czechoslovakia 356,830 and in Danzig 10,448. This makes the number of Jews under German rule inclusive occupied half of Poland 1,555,686. Three years later, in 1942, caused by emigration, flight and other causes according to Sanning’s Jewish sources there were in Germany 164,000 Jews, 50,000 in Austria, 255,000 in Czechoslovakia and about 10,000 in Danzig, total 479,000, which reduced the factual number of Jews under German government in 1942 nearly 320,000 to 1,236,448.
An earlier war phase brought Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg and France under German hegemony, where according to Jewish statements were 466,911 Jews. The factual number of Jews under German administration in 1941 became by that 1,703,359.
With the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and part of European Russia came under German rule. We reckon all 252,907 Jews from the Baltic States, notwithstanding indications that many managed to escape or were killed by local militias and retreating Soviets.
In Eastern Poland, Belarus and Ukraine less than 1 million Jews were present during the German advance of 1941. Of the original Jewish population there were large numbers (Sanning 1,550,000) deliberately or otherwise transferred Eastward by the Soviets. This totals the number of Jews under German regime at 2,956,266.
After the invasion of the Soviet Union ("Barbarossa") according to Sanning 80% of all Jews in the Russian front theatre were evacuated by the Soviets, so those never came into contact with German troops.

In December 1942 Soviet Communist David Bergelson, Zionist propagandist and secretary of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committees in Moscow, wrote (Sanning, p. 114):

"The evacuation saved the vast majority of Jews from Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania and Latvia. According to information from Vitebsk, Riga and other cities occupied by the fascists, there were only a few Jews when the Germans arrived. Thus a large part of the Polish and Baltic Jews was absorbed by the USSR. "

By shifting of the front deeper into Russian areas with many Jews, there was the Stalin Ukase of "scorched earth": significant groups fled further Eastward and many Jews were inclined in the Moscow-organized partisan army. The remaining number of Jews effectively under German rule varies by source, but according to Sanning was less than 1 million.
Adding up all other countries under German rule (Greece, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary, according to Sanning’s Jewish sources total 1,047,400 Jews, the overall number of Jews under German regime derived from the American Jewish Committee and the Statistical Bureau of the Jewish Synagogue Council of America totals 4,003,666, barely 4 million.

The 'standardwork' by Wolfgang Benz, director of the German Office for Combating Anti-Semitism, whose numbers of Jewish victims one can be sure of not to be ‘antisemitic’, is not surprisingly ‘5.2 to 6 million murdered Jews’. The book appeared in 1991, eight years after Sanning, although Sanning was not mentioned in it and none of his detailed figures was overturned. Benz's book is full of double counting, false assumptions, errors and ‘mistakes’; so he called all 1939 Jews who in 1946 were not registered at their hometowns, "killed by the Nazis” and conceals 700,000 expatriate Polish Jews since 1931. In a sublime comparison of Sanning's work with Benz by revisionist Germar Rudolf, the Benz 'book is rightfully refuted as fraudulent. For those interested: Holocaust Victims: A Statistical Analysis. W. Benz and WN Sanning - A Comparison. (Published in: Dissecting the Holocaust, The Growing Critique of 'Truth' and 'Holocaust', Holocaust Handbook Series, p. 181. Theses & Dissertations Press, PO Box 257768, Chicago, IL 60625, USA. ISBN 0-9679856-2-5. downloads of this and other revisionist works on Free_Downloads_from_VHO ).

Professor Sanning used Jewish sources only, because he considered Nazi sources (Wannsee Protokoll and Korherr Report) being (too) inaccurate and unreliable.
Nevertheless, even these too high estimations of the Nazi Wannsee Protokoll (3,836,500 under 'A', plus Vichy France) and Korherr Report (50% of 9,494,368, minus non-occupied Europe) the number of 4.5 million Jews under Nazi rule in Europe was not reached.
It is self-evident that if no more than 4.5 million Jews were under German administration the Nazis couldn’t have 'Six Million' Jews killed.

It shows "Six Million murdered Jews" as false propaganda.

2. Jewish-stated numbers of Jews in the World before and after the War

An approach based on the total number of Jews in the world neither comes near to 'Six Million' murdered Jews.
We assess the numbers of Jews in the world again on the basis of unsuspected Jewish sources: the World Almanac, featuring information from the American Jewish Committee and the Statistical Bureau of the Jewish Synagogue Council of America.

Before the war:
World Almanac 1929 (p. 727): 15,630,000
National Council of Churches USA 1930: 15,600,000
World Almanac 1936 (p. 748): 15,753,633
World Almanac 1938 (p. 510): 15,748,091

During the war:
American Jewish Congress Council of Synagogues 1939 15,600,000
World Almanac 1940 (p. 129): 15,319,359
World Almanac 1942 (p. 849): 15,192,089

After the war:
World Almanac 1947: (p. 748): 15,688,259
World Almanac 1948: (p. 849): 15,763,630

As shown, the numbers of Jews before and during the war, are mostly congruent and stable. Therefore, one may take as a fact 15.7 million Jews around the world shortly before the War, with a slight decline during the War.
Immediately after the War, in 1947, the same sources reported 444,271 Jews more as in 1940! The number of the Council of Synagogues too is 163,630 higher than that of 1939!
According to the World Almanac of 1947, the number of Jews in 1939 was 15,688,259. On February 22, 1948 the Jewish owned New York Times, gave the Jewish population of Palestine as 600-700,000; following the lowest number, it results in 16,288,259 Jews Worldwide. Nearly 600,000 more than before the war! So, Jewish statements from 1948 show nothing of 6 million murdered Jews."
Not surprising thus, the New York Jewish paper Aufbau from December 24,1948 dubbed the "Six Million Story "a pure fabrication." Authoritative experts after the War clearly not believed that 6 million Jews disappeared.
If between 1939/1940 and 1947 six million Jews were murdered, it is of course impossible that there were more Jews in 1948 than in 1940. With 6 million Jews murdered after the war, no more than 10,288,259 Jews could have been counted then. This was understood by the proponents of the Talmudic number either, which is why after 1947 drastically reduced numbers of Jews appeared on paper. Not only the numbers of post-war Jews were presented much lower, at the same time higher numbers of pre-war Jews were presented. Of course with no substantiation or reference other than in those days circulating astronomic death numbers for the camps. The manipulation of numbers of Jews in the world and Europe clearly is a post-war phenomenon.

Even if one argues that the numbers of Jews shortly after the war were impure or wrong, one has to explain what the causes were and why this was not indicated. And even if the numbers of Jews shortly after the war were wrong, the subsequent millions lower in 1947 must be supported by evidence. That never happened. Only 46 years later, in 1991, the fraudulent, demonstrably worthless work of Benz appeared, an example of Jewish Mathematics resulting in '6 million'.

The first differing post-war assignment came in the Almanac of 1949. Then the Jewish World population was set forth for 1947 as 11,266,600. This was 4,421,659 lower than the previous statement:
1939: 15,688,259
1947: 11,266,600
Difference: 4,421,659
But, even 4,421,659 less doesn’t make Six Million. What next?
Simple, the
Almanac promptly gave higher numbers of pre-war Jews too:
in 1946 for 1939 still 15,688,259 Jews,
in 1949 for 1939 16,643,210 Jews!
Almost 1 million (954,951) more before the war! Added to the 'new' lower number of post-war Jews, now there were on paper 5,376,610 Jews 'disappeared'! This is the origin of the "5.4 or 5.7 million Holocaust murdered” nowadays parroted by official historians, not accompanied by a shred of proof.
The postwar manipulation shows that not WW II led to "Six Million Jews murdered”, but the Talmudic numerus fixus, slavishly accepted by the kin of Holocaust Court historians.
The chaos and arbitrariness of post-war numbers of Jews in the world is shown by the following:

Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951: 15,300,000.
Encyclopedia Britannica's 1955 Book of the Year 11,627,450 (All, synagogue member or not).
U.S. News & World Report, 1983: 16,820,850.
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: 18,080,000.
World Almanac, 1996, p. 646: 14,117,000.
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: 13,200,000.

Whoever wants to give any credence to Jewish postwar figures about numbers of Jews in the world, surely has a lot to explain.

This also proves the falsity of the propaganda of 'Six Million'.

3. Demographic impossibility phenomenon: number of Jews before and after the War


This diagram shows the impossibility of the magical 'Six Million' at first glance. It is based on numbers from The World Almanac and Book of Facts, published in New York World Telegram pages 727, 849, 748 and 441, the 1996 edition of Funk & Wagnall, p. 646, the Encyclopedia Britannica 1955, and shows the numbers of Jews in the World from 1928 to 2000. The yellow line indicates the steadily decreasing number of Jews until 1941 (mortality surplus in 12 years 500,000), and a sharp fall during 1941-1947 (in 6 years 1.9 million less). Then from 1947 to 1964 a continuation of the normal pre-war decline level and after 1964 a stable growth of about 700,000 in 35 years. If we deduct the normal pre-war mortality rate from the decline during the War, the reduction in the number of Jews in the World showed by the yellow line, caused by the War, was 1.65 million. Not six million.

Looking at the blue line (= the Jewish Holocaust-Version) one sees an incredible phenomenon: during the war a steep drop of over 4 million (‘the Holocaust’), followed by a steep increase until 1964 and from then growth at a stabilizing rate.
Such an incredible increase in births until 1964 with abrupt stabilization at a moderate growth level is impossible. Such a 'catch-up’ effect and abrupt stabilization cannot be true and therefore is not true. The truth is, that neither the post-war numbers of Jewish organizations, nor those of the Jewish Holocaust-Version are true.
To demonstrate the inconsistency of Jewish population ‘information’, comparatively a graph from the Netherlands Central Bureau of Statistics about the development of the Dutch population over the previous century. This shows that even a massive increase in the number of births in the post-war years 1945-'55 of 20-25% (the Dutch call this ‘the Baby Boom’) is hardly visible in the population diagram! Of course, the scaling of both diagrams differs a little, but it is nevertheless clear that recovery rates as pretended by Jewish figures, never happened.

It depicts an impossible post-war demographic development, as well as an impossible discrepancy in relation to the reality of today.

4. Jews emigrated and taking refuge to the Soviet Union.

Before the War till 1942 there was huge emigration of Jews from Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic States and - especially - Poland. Sanning calculated that the number of Jews in those areas only for that reason decreased by 969,000 (Sanning, Table 14, p. 231).
Furthermore, after the war (1948-1970) another 1,548,000 Jews emigrated from Europe to destinations as the United States, Israel, South America, but also Canada, Australia, etc.
Even during the war, emigration of Jews with visas for Palestine, U.S., South American countries, etc., continued as much as possible. Those who couldn’t leave were housed in camps as Bergen-Belsen and in southern France like Vittel. Hundreds of thousands of Jews never came in concentration camps, let alone being killed.

Evidence for mass emigration include: (a) the testimony of U.S. Under Secretary of State Breckinridge Long before a Congressional Commission in 1943, stating that approximately 580,000 illegal Jewish refugees were allowed in the U.S., (b) mass emigration of Jews selected by Zionists to Palestine (almost 300,000), (c) increase in the number of Jews in Latin America (almost 200,000) and non-occupied Western Europe (over 100,000). Sanning based this figures on Allied, Zionist, pro-Zionist and Western sources.
Pre- and post-war Jewish emigration reduced the number of Jews possibly killed in the War with more than 2.5 million (2.517 million).
After the partition of Poland in 1939, according to Sanning 1.550.000 Jews fled to Soviet-annexed Eastern Poland (Feiling Foster wrote: '2, 2 million’). Sanning's number seems however more likely. After the German attack on the Soviet Union in '41 again approximately 1 million Polish Jews were deported Eastward by the Soviets.
The Nazis also transported 1,449,692 Jews from the General Government in Poland to Russian "Ostgebiet" (Graf, J., Hoax or Holocaust. Aaargh, p. 84.).

Historian Dr. Aschenauer wrote in Krieg ohne Grenzen:
[. . .] "Solzjenitzyn confirms multiple proofs, "a number of Jewish sources stated that, the Soviet leadership immediately after the start of the war gave priority orders to evacuate the Jews in the western border provinces with thousands of wagons and carts. . . 1 to 1,1 million Jews were thus saved for productive labour in the hinterland."

Stuart Kahan, nephew of the notorious Soviet Jewish mass murderer Lazar Kaganovitch, confirms this preferential treatment of Jews in his book The Wolf of the Kremlin (1987), blz. 206):
"At the insistence of Lazar Kaganovitch, Stalin ordered the evacuation of all persons from the border areas, especially the Jews, the largest group in the area. Stalin did not like the Jews, but the order they received was to burn down their homes, killing their cattle and retreat into the hinterland of Russia. . . It was better the Jews moved to the hinterland and left nothing to Hitler, as to work for him as slaves, letting livestock, food supplies and other goods to Hitler."

Rabbi Benjamin Schultz, chairman of the Jewish League (Die Welt, September 25, 1954, reported), declared before the US Congress that during the Second World War, 3,390,000 Jews on Soviet territory disappeared without a trace. He maintained that this massacre has been purposely kept secret so not to embarrass the Soviet Union.
German historian Erich Kern, researching Rabbi Schultz's startling statement, concludes that, even if this figure is a bit too high:
"In any case, it is certain that about twice as many Jews were done to death in territory controlled by Soviet Russia than in that controlled by the Germans." (See: Deutsche Wochenzeitung, January 13, 1967).

The number of European Jews in 1933 (9,000,000), the emigrated Jews before and during the war (1.1 million), the Soviet deported Jews (2.5 million) and non-Jews in occupied Europe (almost 1 million) brings the actual number of Jews under German rule at 4.4 million. This is consistent with the revisionist number of Jews killed (1-1.5 million) and a number of 3 to 4.5 million survivors.

The massive movement from Jews out of the German sphere of influence demonstrates the impossibility of "Six Million Jews murdered.

5. An empirical-statistical approach

The approach of the actual number of Jews killed during the War is – as we have already seen – very complex. All sources are of limited reliability and even if one eliminates errors, omissions, duplication, etc., it remains almost impossible to draw definite conclusions, or one-on-one comparisons.
Sanning’s study – neither free of inaccuracies - is nevertheless by far the most scientifically sound and reliable.
His outcomes are backed by - amongst others - scientific research of revisionist Dr. Carl C. Nordling. This statistician analyzed the events of Jews during World War II on a different basis, namely on a limited number of survivors.
Sanning's and Nordling's methods differ significantly. See Sanning's study as an archaeological field research, factually implying all known facts, compared to Nordling’s scientifically-statistical random probing. If one takes both studies apart, it is difficult to draw comparative conclusions. However, if one places Sanning's numerical results for the various categories of Jews (natural mortality, emigrated, certainty dead, survivors, etc.) next to Nordling’s percentual results, there is an astonishing agreement between them (Jewish Casualties During World War II, The Holocaust Historiography Project) barely differing by category. The salient agreement between these varying research methodologies confirms the overall accuracy of Sanning's results, like those of Nordling.

Scientific agreement thus confirms the validity of the revisionist method and therefore the inaccuracy of the number "six million Jews murdered by the Nazis.

6. Number of German Jews who applied for survivor pensions

Following a copy of a letter from a German who September 1985 asked the German Ministry of Finance how many people made applications via Israel for survivor pensions because of the Wiedergutmachungsregelung. The reply of the Ministry: the total per January 1st 1985 was at least 6-7,000,000 applications!

Der Bundesminister der Finanzen
5300 Bonn 1
Graurheindorferstr. 108

10. September 1985
VI A4-01478-L 4/85
Herrn Werner Laska

Betr.:Wiedergutmachung nationalsozialistischen Unrechts; hier: Leistungen an Israel
Bezug:Ihr Schreiben vom 4. September 1985

Sehr geehrter Herr Laska,
auf Ihr Schreiben vom 4. September 1985 darf ich Ihnen zur Ergänzung einen Abdruck der Wiedergutmachungsübersicht nach dem Stande vom 1. Januar 1985 übersenden. Darin finden Sie auf Seite 2 (rot kenntlich gemacht)auch Hinweise auf die Zahl der bis zum 1. Januar 1985 gestellten Anträge. Allein nach dem Bundesentschädigungsgesetz und dem Bundesrückerstattungsgesetz sind es zusammen weit über 5 Millionen.
Hinzuzurechnen sind außerdem alle Anträge, die im Rahmen sonstiger Wiedergutmachungsregelungen - beispielsweise nach den Entschädigungsgesetzen der einzelnen Bundesländer - gestellt worden sind; insgesamt wird man wohl von mindestens 6 bis 7 Millionen Anträgen ausgehen können.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Im Auftrag

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The huge number of 'at least 6-7 million' applications for survivor- benefits were only those requested from Israel, so only pertaining to Jews. Not all applications were to be accepted and duplicate and false claims must be considered. On the other hand, applications often were made by a householder, so single applications sometimes concerned several people. Also that many survivors never submitted applications, such as Jews behind the Iron Curtain, for whom the rules did not apply.
This raises the question: how many survivor benefits were actually be paid? The German government remains in spasmodic silence about this. You can guess why. It is certainly no exaggeration – as many believe – that this was at least 4 to 4.5 million. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu claims for 5 million Holocaust survivors the 'right' of compensation from Germany ....
With such huge numbers of applications from Jewish survivors, a "Six Million Holocaust" is of course impossible.

This again proves the falsity of the propaganda of 'Six Million'.

7. Retro calculation of survivors 1945 based on the number of living survivors in 2004.

Mathematically, the number of Jewish survivors in 1945 was in any case more than 3 million.
An Israeli government report argues that early 2004, 58.5 years later, 1.092 million Holocaust Survivors were alive (New York Times, April 21, 2005), including 687,900 from occupied Europe.
If survivors in '45 were of all ages, with an average life expectancy of 75 years, then 58.5 years later, in 2004, 58.5 / 75th of has died with a number of 16.5 / 75th survivors in 2004, which is 75/16, 5 x 687,900 = 3,127,000 surviving Jews in 1945 in Europe.

Statistician Dr. Nordling earlier calculated on figures from the Israeli Survivors Organization AMCHA 1997, taking into account a standard deviation of 15% and maximization of uncertain factors, this number as "slightly more than 3 million".
This too ignores the fact that average life expectancy in 1945 was not 75 but 67 years and for Eastern Europe even 57 years; if this is taken into account, the number of survivors in 1945 may be taken several millions higher.
Because of that, and the fact that many Jews in 2004 were assimilated and/or no longer interested to be counted as Jewish, 5 to 6 million survivors in 1945 is more than just possible.

With such large numbers of survivors in 1945 and less than 4.5 million Jews ever under Nazi control in Europe, it’s up to the reader to determine the possibility of either the 'Final Solution' and 'Six Million Jews being destroyed ".

It proves once more the falsity of the number of 'Six Million'.

8. Unproven "gas chambers" and "mass gassings"

The fact that no forensic evidence nor traces of 'gas chambers' in which 3 million or more Jews (could) have been killed exists, also makes ‘Six Million murdered Jews’ impossible.
Not a shred of concrete evidence for "gas chambers", not a shred of forensic evidence for "mass gassings. Neither of 3 million "gassed" Jews. Not even one 'gassed' corpse or part thereof, while current forensic techniques makes it easy to establish such. On the contrary! Forensic investigations has given full proof that in the alleged ‘gas-chambers’ never mass-gassings could have been taken place.
As traceless disappearance of millions of people is impossible and mass gassings are out of the question because of that, 6 million murdered Jews are for that reason alone impossible. No "gas chambers = no Six Million and No Six Million = no "gas chambers", as simple as that.

This also proves the falsity of the propaganda of 'Six Million'.

9. Lack of remains, mass graves and ash quantities makes ‘Six Million’ implausible.

As everyone knows, there are in the remotest way no corresponding quantities found of human remains (ashes, corpses, etc.) of Six Million people (or even only 0.1% of it) in and around "extermination camps” or mass graves.
The only mass graves found are of the Soviet Massacre at Katyn and those of ethnic Germans murdered after the War and those localized in Belarus and Ukraine of thousands of NKVD victims. Where are the hundreds of mass graves with thousands Jewish corpses, the thousands mass graves with hundreds of Jewish corpses or the ten thousand mass graves with hundreds Jewish corpses? Virtually nothing thereof in concreto is found, while it is intensively searched for. Numerous studies were conducted with advanced radar systems, including places like Treblinka, of which is told that 850,000 Jews are ‘gassed’ there, were buried, dig up again and burned to ashes. Nothing, no trace of it can forensically be proved. Indeed, very remarkably, with all those 'witnesses'.
In the Czech Republic and Yugoslavia mass graves containing hundreds of bodies of Germans and others were discovered, but hardly any from Jews.
Thousand year old graves and ashes are found by archaeologists, the tomb of Tutankhamen, the grave of the murdered Czar and his family, tens of thousands of corpses of the Eisenhower Rheinwiesenlager, etc., etc. In other words, no grave, no ash-depot or no crime scene from history or sooner or later it was exposed and forensically described.
Only of "Six Million" Jewish corpses after 65 years little or nothing is found.

It is for Holocaust-proponents to indicate where the remains of six millions murdered Jews are to be found. So far they have given no sensible explanation for that phenomenon too. And although they bring us all the crime-scenes, dates, murder methods and the most gruesome personal details, they ask us to believe that tens of thousands of tons of human ashes and remains, millions of teeth were blowing in the wind into a miraculous Nowhere. Even on the few acres where they stated millions of people were killed (Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno, etc.) nobody succeeded in the past 65 years to show any forensic truth of it, let alone substantial mass graves or ashes.

3 Million gassed corpses, which are equivalent to 300 mass graves for 10,000 corpses each (most were buried first according to the JHV), or 3,000 mass graves with 1,000 corpses each or 30,000 mass graves, with 100 corpses each. None of it, only the opposite (no ground surface disturbances) is forensically demonstrated (Krege, et al.)

As long as convincing traces are not to be found, there is no ground for "6 million murdered Jews’.

Again: evidence for the falsity of the propaganda of 'Six Million'.

10. Ratio of Jews killed in camps/elsewhere

Post-war reports of the neutral International Red Cross concerning the number of perished during the war in all German concentration camps, go not above 400,000, Jews and others. The Red Cross affiliation ITS (International Trading Service) possesses 17 million records with more than 40 million documents from almost all Nazi prisoners and forced laborers during the war, but it rejects to give essential details thereof. Nevertheless, the number of less than 400,000 people perished in camps during the whole war leaked out.
This implicates that except all German concentration camps, outside those camps more than 5.5 million Jews were murdered. An assumption ad absurdum.


And imagine . . . , what if the "official" numbers of Jews murdered in the Holocaust “extermination camps” are correct: then nearly 3 million Jews were "killed" there (Auschwitz 1.1 million, Majdanek, 60,000, Belzec 483,000, Sobibor, 170,000; Treblinka 870,000, other camps 221,436). In that case, there have been over 3 million Jews murdered outside the camps. A totally unrealistic number indeed, not plausible by any forensic evidence or indication.

The inaccuracy and religious origin of "Six Million" is also demonstrated by the fact that since 1946 the number of "murdered” Jews in Auschwitz and other 'death camps' officially lowered millions down: Auschwitz 3 million less, other camps also two million less nearly. In spite of these tremendous reductions since 1946, the religious Numerus fixus of '6 million’ never changed. Of course not: "6 Million minus 5 Million = 6 million", this is Holocaust 'Arithmetic' you know. 6 Million was, is and for at least Six Million years to come, shall be the ‘truth’ for every soul on Earth to believe in. Unless one wants to end on a stake.

Of course, this too confirms the falsity of the number of 'Six Million' murdered Jews.


So, Ten Proofs against the number of 'six million'. Of course there are more than ten, because the crux is not even included: for those 6 million there is and never was any evidence!
No Six Million Jews under German rule, no demographic or other evidence for Six Million Jews less after the war, a demographic impossibility phenomenon in post-war numbers of Jews, emigration figures that makes it impossible, two and a half million Jews drained to the Soviet Union, Kaganowitz deported millions of Jews to the Goelags, at least 4.5 million survivors applied for pensions, more than 3 million survivors in 1945, probably twice this figure, no ash quantities or mass graves, etc., no forensic evidence for ‘gas-chambers, only counter-evidence, etc., etc.
All this means – be it separately or cumulative – that Six Million Jews murdered is plainly IMPOSSIBLE.

Because 'Six Million' is a religious mantra, because there is no evidence for it, and because of a multitude of hard facts, it is perfectly clear and without any doubt a Myth. As in the Western world social blackmail and legal prosecution against any form of criticism of this mythical number reigns, one may call this a very evil myth too.

Each of these ten proofs shows the irrelevance of the 'Six Million' number. As we all know, there are opponents who never give up to refute and/or discredit the simplest truths about ‘the Holocaust’. For those, I presented not one, but ten proves of the same. Those who nevertheless think they can refute one or more of it with relevant facts, are more than welcome to do so. But, please remember, one is not enough, since each one of them alone makes ‘Six Million’ impossible.

So it’s finally over with the 'Six Million' number; even Holocaustbelievers can no longer "deny" this fact.

Oh yes, of course. There are still people who, faced with the overwhelming evidence against the indoctrinated number, saying: "And where did those six million Jews go?"
A ludicrous comment, because it recognizes that no evidence for that number exists and that they are in no position to rebut the revisionist evidence or to give some factual basis for their ‘Six Million’ myth, meaning it’s completely bankrupt.

Thereby, the answer why so many Jews were missing after the war is relatively simple. The actual number killed in the war/missing is much lower than 6 million. Objective calculations do not exceed 1.5 million. Again, as for all other groups in this war, many, many persons disappeared for different reasons.
One and a half million missed Jews, that's much, much too much indeed. Too much to be quadrupled without a reason and without proof. But 1.5 million Jews killed and missing is, apart from the infamous persecution of Jews, mainly caused by the same circumstances as exists for countless other groups. I limit myself here to give only two examples. The first concerns 602 medical tested men between 20 and 50 years from the little town Putten in the Netherlands, which 7 months before the end of the war were deported to labor camps in Germany. Only 44 (= 7%) of them came back seven months later! A similar low survival rate showed the approximately 100,000 German POW's at Stalingrad, hardened German soldiers, of which after a few years in Russian camps less than 6,000 (6%) returned.
The extremely low survival rate of Jewish women, children, elderly, sick, etc. deported to camps in Poland (ca. 10%), becomes in this light much less surprising than at first glance.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Lohengrin » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:17 am)

[The full pasted-up text and graphics can be found in my thread "Ten Proofs Against Six Million Jews murdered in "Holocaust", viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6428&hilit=Ten+proofs+against ]

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:24 pm)

It is forbidden to count Israel even for [the purpose of fulfilling] a commandment ... Whosoever counts Israel, transgresses a [biblical] prohibition, as it is said: Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured.

- Babylonian Talmud: Yoma 22b (Soncino edition)
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Now Satan arose upon Israel, and he moved David to count Israel.

- 1 Chronicles 21:1

And David's heart smote him after he had counted the people. And David said to the Lord: I have sinned greatly in what I have done; and now, 'O Lord, put aside please, the iniquity of your servant, for I was very foolish!

- 2 Samuel 24:10

Accordingly, counting Jews is defiance of Hashem’s promises. On the other hand, Rashi on our verse says that the “evil eye” (ayin hara) has influence over anything counted; this alludes to Taanit 8b, which teaches that blessing does not rest on anything measured or counted.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:09 pm)

More on the Jewish aversion to Jewish demographics, from the 1960 publication:

Jewish Communal Services for a Native-born Jewish Comminity—Values, Changes and Perspectives
By Judah J. Shapiro, PhD
Secretary, The National Foundation for Jewish Culture, New York, N.Y.


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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Hannover » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:32 pm)


Excellent work.

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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:04 pm)

This is in-depth, but it confirms the Pharisees' ban on counting the Jewish population (never mind informing the Edomites [Christians] of Israel's numbers), and tells the Talmudic tale of the census of the 6,000,000 pairs of kidneys. That number might be familiar to you.

"Yoma 22b, the Germara adduces entirely different sources in establishing a prohibition against a numerical survey of the Jewish population. R. Yitzchak declares that it is forbidden to count Israel "even for the purpose of a mizvah" and derives the prohibition from I Samuel 1 1:8. Prior to engaging in battle to defend his nation against Nahash the Ammonite, an encounter which clearly constituted a milhe-met mizvah, Saul found it necessary to have an accurate reckoning of the populace. Accordingly, "He counted them be-vazek." R. Yitzchak interprets this phrase, not as identifying the town or village in which the census was taken, viz., Bazek, but as indicating the means by which the count was ascertained. The word "bazek" is interpreted as denoting shards of pottery. Thus Scripture reports that each person delivered a shard of pottery to be counted by the census-takers. The inference drawn by R. Yitzchak is that this cumbersome method was necessary because direct counting is forbidden.

In response to the objection that "bazek" may be a place name, the Gemara cites I Samuel 15:4, "and Saul summoned the people and numbered them by means of lambs (tela'im)." Standard biblical translations similarly render "tela'im''' as a place name. Tosafot Yeshanim, Yoma 22b, and Redak, I Samuel 15:4, likewise indicate that such is the "simple meaning" of the verse. However, according to talmudic exegesis However, prior to engaging in war against Amalek, Saul did not count the populace at a place known as Tela'im; rather he counted by means of lambs (tela'im). Rashi, I Samuel 15:4, following the interpretation of the Gemara, explains the verse as stating that Saul provided the populace with lambs which he then retrieved in taking the census. Targum Yonatan indicates that the census was undertaken by Saul in conjunction with the offering of the paschal sacrifice. A rough estimate of the populace was achieved by counting the number of paschal lambs offered. Noteworthy is the statement of the Gemara, Pesachim 64b: Our Rabbis taught: King Agrippa once wished to cast his eyes on the hosts of Israel [to ascertain their number.] Said he to the High Priest, "Cast your eyes upon the paschal sacrifices." [The High Priest] took a kidney from each [paschal sacrifice] and 600,000 pairs of kidneys were found there, twice as many as [ the number of] those who departed from Egypt, excluding those who were unclean and those who were on a distant journey; and there was not a single paschal sacrifice for which more than ten people had not registered; and they called it "The Passover of the dense throngs."

Bleich, J. David Bleich. Contemporary Halakhic Problems, Volume 3. New York: Ktav Publishing. 1995. p.310
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The cited Talmudic passage:


Babylonian Talmud: Pesachim 64b
pdf: http://www.halakhah.com/pdf/moed/Pesachim.pdf

(edited to add page number of quoted source)
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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:05 pm)

Thanks Hannover!
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Re: Holocaust Demographics

Postby Cloud » 8 years 3 months ago (Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:59 pm)

I do not see how one obtains six million pairs of kidneys from that passage. I do see the references made to six hundred thousand pairs of kidneys and the ten people not registered, and I do know that the product of ten and six hundred thousand is six million, but I see nothing in the passage that suggests that these two numbers are to be multiplied. Unless someone can show it, the logical bridge to arrive at six million pairs of kidneys appears to be missing.

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