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Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocaust

Postby Mkk » 6 years 10 months ago (Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:35 am)

See also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... aeli-jews/

Israel's Jewish population passes 6 million mark
Symbolically significant figure, equivalent to number of Jews killed in Holocaust, is 'a great joy', says historian


Israel's Jewish population has passed the symbolically significant 6 million mark for the first time – equivalent to the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust.

Figures released by the central bureau of statistics this week show the total population of Israel at 7.98 million, 75.4% of whom are Jewish. Just over 20% are Arab and 4% are defined as "other".

"It's a great joy to know there are more than 6 million Jews in Israel," said Dina Porat, chief historian of Yad Vashem, Israel's Holocaust museum and head of the Kantor centre for the study of contemporary European Jewry.

"But worldwide we are still in the same place. Before the Holocaust there were around 18 million Jews in the world; after it, a bit more than 13 million. We are still at a bit more than 13 million. But now Israel's Jewish population is close to half the Jewish nation worldwide. It puts Israel in a very central place. We are almost the only Jewish community that is growing."

Six million was a "significant number", said Anita Shapira, professor of Jewish history at Tel Aviv university. But, she added, "living Jews do not compensate for dead Jews. The number [6 million] symbolises a catastrophe, not a recuperation. We are still paying for the Holocaust."

Avraham Burg, former speaker of the Israeli parliament and author of The Holocaust is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes, said 6 million was a "symbolic number but random".

"Is Israel any different if it has 5.9 million Jews, or 6.1 million? The answer is no. I don't see the state of Israel as either compensation or revenge for the Holocaust. Israel is a standalone entity. Yes, we have the looming shadow of our history, and the victims of the Holocaust should be cherished and remembered, but it should not define our politics," Burg said.

Israel, he added, "is not a state of 6 million Jews but of almost 8 million citizens". "Each and everyone of us should be equal, regardless of our creed or race."

Separate figures released by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics predicts the number of Arabs in Israel and Palestine will equal the number of Jews by 2016, and exceed it by 2020. There are 5.8 million Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and Israel, and 11.6 million worldwide, it said.

The Palestinian birth rate was 4.4 in 2009, down from 6.0 in 1997, but higher than the Israeli Jewish birth rate of about 3.0.

This demographic trend is the chief argument put forward by Israeli Jews against a single binational state as a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The inevitable Arab majority in such a state would mean the end of Israel as a Jewish state, they say.

The Jewish population of Israel has increased almost tenfold since the state was declared in May 1948, when there were about 660,000 Jewish citizens, according to the Israeli CBS (pdf). At least 700,000 Palestinians – a big majority of the Arab population of Palestine – fled or were forced to leave their homes and land in the 1948 war.

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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby Hektor » 6 years 10 months ago (Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:56 am)

Shows you the technique to keep up the belief: Association and Repetition.

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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 6 years 10 months ago (Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:59 am)

calculation 1:

"Before the Holocaust there were around 18 million Jews in the world; after it, a bit more than 13 million."


18 M - 13.n M = 4.m M,

where n is "a bit" and m = 1 M - "a bit".
But six million is "equivalent to number of Jews killed in Holocaust".

calculation 2:

On the other hand: All statistic books, even Jewish publications, count about 15 M jews before WW2.
15 M - 13.x M is something abot 1.5 M.
This is the result of Sannings calculation. 1.2 M died in the responsibility of the Soviet Union, about 300 k in the responsibility of Germany.
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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby borjastick » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:40 am)

I agree with the figures as mentioned above, in as much as the official references to the world jewish population throughout the twentieth century are all made from jewish manuals/almanacs etc. In other words it is they themselves who publish the data on jewish numbers. The general figure from various sources (AJC and WJC) of world jewry prior to WW2 is 15.6m or thereabouts. So here in this statement made by the chief historian of Yad Vashem the figure is increased by 2.5m or so. This is an outrageous thing to do anyway, but from an official position makes it even worse. Not only is this yet another lie from those who should know better but it is once again an attempt to make the claim fit the numbers by lying about the numbers!

The real problem is that the great unwashed public who read this type of article tend to believe what they are told, so they now believe that there were indeed 18m jews in the world before the war, when in fact it was 15.6 million maximum.
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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby Balsamo » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:22 pm)

Repeating myself,

A Genocide is per definition not quantifiable...unless of course the result is the anihilation of 100% of the targeted group. Because none of them took place in any legal system (to be understood as a legal and official public administration)...
Using demographic sources does not lead anywhere as most are based on religious confession not on racial criteria the German adopted. And this is not the only obstacle to prevent from a proper estimation.

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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby Lohengrin » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:23 pm)

See for the nonsense of the "Six Million" number also my thread on this forum: Ten Proofs Against Six Million Jews murdered in 'Holocaust'.
Each Proof for itself shows it. :bounce:

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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby Dresden » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:38 pm)

Lohengrin said:

"See for the nonsense of the "Six Million" number also my thread on this forum: Ten Proofs Against Six Million Jews murdered in 'Holocaust'.
Each Proof for itself shows it"

Here is the link to Lohengrin's thread:

"Ten Proofs Against Six Million Jews Murdered in Holocaust"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6428&hilit=Ten+proofs+against
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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby Balsamo » 6 years 10 months ago (Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:00 pm)

Well,
When i say that Genocide are impossible to quantify, that means that behind general estimations, it is silly to minimize or maximize or to stick with a symbolic number. And i would add that in a historical perspective, the numbers don't matter that much.

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Re: Number of Jews in Israel passes number killed in Holocau

Postby Hektor » 6 years 10 months ago (Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:46 am)

Balsamo wrote:Well,
When i say that Genocide are impossible to quantify, that means that behind general estimations, it is silly to minimize or maximize or to stick with a symbolic number. And i would add that in a historical perspective, the numbers don't matter that much.

Beg to differ. For genocide to be anyhow meaningful as a word the number and intend to destroy the other ethnicity do matter. It's not enough that Y kills some members of ethnicity X, because he doesn't like them. On occasion an organized effort to kill ALL members of ethnicity X within proximity needs to be taken, because they are members of ethnicity X. It seems however that the term genocide is applied loosely on purpose.


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