David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Ilikerealhistory » 6 years 2 months ago (Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:28 pm)

Zulu wrote:
ganglere wrote:The slaughter of Irving, on the other hand, got all the publicity it needed.

Now, if for instance, a boxer is about to go up in the ring against a knowingly superior opponent, and decides not to train heavily, and doesn't listen to the advice of his coach, I can only conclude one of two things: 1. He has totally lost it.
2. He has been payed to take a dive.



3- Disproportionate pride and excessive arrogance which could blind any common sense
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In psychological terms it is called narcissistic anti-social personality disorder.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby cold beer » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:22 am)

Hannover wrote:
cold beer wrote:Maybe this entire progression with David Irving was mapped out this way right from the start.
I seriously doubt that. That idea would seem to require a more logical progression rather than his nonsensical hodge-podge of silly assertions. IMO, Irving's erratic claims are a result of his erratic personality more than anything else. He is, as they say, 'a piece of work'. Too bad, he "could've been a contender". :roll:

- Hannover

Nonsensical hodge-podge assertions do just as well at discrediting anyone who has cited him as a reference.

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Barrington James » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:38 pm)

The fact that David Irving wrote about 20 books on Nazi Germany and learned how to read and speak German to do so, in my opinion, places him far above most scholars of this period. If nothing else, he was far keener , if not more capable, than most historians to learn the true history of this period. Thus the fact he never wrote anything about the holocaust, in my opinion , tells us all we have to know about gassing and extermination. It never happened . If it had , you can sure that Irving would have written about it. Regardless of his search for the truth, he never would have missed the opportunity to make millions by selling books on this topic. Never.

Why he now makes the claims he does is anyone's guess. Is he desperately poor and is willing to write anything to make a dollar? Could be. Has he had a breakdown of some kind? Is he suffering from Stockholm Syndrome? Maybe.

There is an old saying that the bigger they are, the harder they fall. And David Irving was a very big man. He had enormous talents; that is clear. He also had an enormous ego. After all, this is the man with the gall to challenge the established view of the holocaust industry in England, a country that the International bankers and the Rothschilds have controlled since they created the Bank of England in 1694.

Consequently his ego has been brutally attacked in recent years. Clearly he is not the man he was. We can only imagine the shock it must have been for him to lose the Debbie Lipstadt trial, to lose millions of dollars because of it , and then to be later thrown in jail for an honest comment that he had made 15 years previously about the holocaust.

Small wonder that he is what he is today.
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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:45 pm)

Barrington James wrote:... England, a country that the International bankers and the Rothschilds have controlled since they created the Bank of England in 1694.


A Rothschild didn't even step foot on English soil until 1797, when Nathan Mayer Rothschild came here and set up a sort of cotton buying business in Manchester.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Barrington James » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:21 pm)

Blackrabbit....Thanks for your correction...to be exact A society of about 1330 persons, including the King and Queen of England, who had 10,000 pounds of stock, the Duke of Leeds, Duke of Devonshire, Earl of Pembroke, and the Earl of Bradford and the International Bankers ( no Rothschilds yet) were initially in control of the Bank of England...

However Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild, as he now called himself, reigned as the supreme financial power in London and the Bank of England when he made a fortune on his Waterloo investments...He arrogantly exclaimed, during a party in his mansion, "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."

The Rothschilds then went on to establish the Federal Reserve with the great help of Aldrich Nelson, Paul Warburg and others and financed revolutions all over the globe including all the Revolutions that swept over Europe in the 1840's and the so called Russian Revolution and without the Federal Reserve there would have been no WW1...
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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Moderator » 6 years 2 months ago (Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:56 pm)

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Re: David Irving now confirms gas chambers at Auschwitz.

Postby Horhug » 6 years 1 month ago (Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:17 am)

borjastick wrote:
EtienneSC wrote:From Irving's website today (Monday 9 September 2013):
Yesterday Mr Irving's group visited the deserted forest site of the Operation Reinhardt camp in Sobiibór, Eastern Poland, where (as British codebreaking proved) 101,000 Jews were put to death in the last eight months of 1942 and even more in 1943.

Note: this kind of text does not appear to remain on the website for more than a few days.


Have the boys from whatreallyhappened.info got any comments on this claim that the code breakers proved this kind of mass murder?


Re: Bletchley Park Government Code & Cypher School (BP GCCS) decodes and Sobibor:

To recap on the research done so far on the BP GCCS decodes in the London National Archives.

Many thousands of original German language message decodes exist in the archives. From these individual messages, periodic summary reports were produced by the analysts at BP for the higher ups & government, ZIP OS1 to ZIP OS7. The relevant extracts from all of these summary reports have been published on our website here:

http://whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts ... rypts.html

Additionally, the HORHUG daily message transmissions for inmate returns from a few camps, were also decoded and compiled into monthly tables. We have published all of the available tables for Auschwitz.

As far as the periodic summary reports and tables of daily inmate statistics are concerned:

1. There is not a single mention of Sobibor in any of the ZIP OS1 to ZIP OS7 periodic summary reports.

2. There are no tables of inmate statistics (HORHUG returns) for Sobibor, whatsoever.

3. Ditto 1 and 2 for Chelmno, Belzec and Treblinka.

Tables of inmate statistics do exist for Lublin (Madjanek) and will be published in due course.

I suspect that Irving is referring to the so called, Höfle Telegram, discovered in 2000, complete with it's, apparently, exceptional camp designation letters, which depart entirely from the camp designations derived from the 3 character radio call sign, used for all other locations. Indeed, in all of the so far discovered lists of camps and their radio call signs, found among the BP GCCS archives, there are no entries for either Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor or Treblinka.

http://whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts ... rypts.html


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