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the Majdanek camp - layer after layer of lies

Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Dec 29, 2002 10:42 pm)

The alleged "eyewitneses" of the so called 'holocaust' are simply ridiculous, and when investigated to the slightest degree simply fall apart. Most people rarely check into what the judeo-supremacist media prints, merely accepting lies as facts.
"Eyewitness" after "eyewitness" can be seen to literally melt at this Forum, or anywhere else when impartially scrutinized. Here we have another liar exposed.

"The Factory of Death at Auschwitz" was written by Boris Polevoi and published in Pravda on February 2, 1945. It contains the following:
"Last year, when the Red Army revealed to the world the terrible and abominable secrets of Majdanek, the Germans in Auschwitz began to wipe out the traces of their crimes. They leveled the mounds of the so-called "old" graves in the Eastern part of the camp, tore up and destroyed the traces of the electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously electrocuted, their bodies falling onto the slow moving conveyor belt which carried them to the top of the blast furnace where they fell in, were completely burned, their bones converted to meal in the rolling mills, and then sent to the surrounding fields. In retreat were taken the special transportable apparatuses for killing children. The stationary gas chambers in the eastern part of the camp were restructured, even little turrets and other architectural embellishments were added so that they would look like innocent garages."


This story absolutely contradicts other "eyewitness" stories, indicating yet again that the holocau$t Industry cannot keep their lies straight.

good overview of Majdanek here:
http://aaargh.vho.org/engl/JGmajdanek.html

Here is specific after specific:

Unanswered Questions Regarding the Physical Evidence at the Majdanek Concentration Camp (Poland)
from: 'Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers'

by David Cole

https://codoh.com/library/document/987/?lang=en
:arrow: Gas chamber 1 has two doors, both of which open INTO the gas chamber room. How can a homicidal gas chamber have two doors which open IN? Wouldn't the bodies be pressed up against the doors, as described numerous times by eyewitnesses?

:arrow: The main door into the gas chamber 1 has no locks. It can be opened from either the inside or the outside. There are no holes or fittings where a lock might have been. What stopped the inmates from opening this door?

:arrow: Gas chamber 1 has a plate glass window in it. There are no holes or fittings around the window where bars or any other kind of cover might once have been. Since the plaster around the window is covered with blue stains, we know that it is the plaster that existed during the time Zyklon B gas was used in this room. If there WERE bars or any other type of cover attached to this window, why are there no traces? What would have stopped the inmates from trying to climb out the window, or breaking the window and causing a gas leak?

:arrow: There is a room INSIDE gas chamber 1. Why would there be a separate room INSIDE a gas chamber? Doesn't this room indicate that gas chamber 1 was used for something OTHER than killing people?

:arrow: Gas chambers 2 and 3 are designed backwards. Chamber 2 has a Zyklon B induction hole in the ceiling, but no Zyklon B traces or blue stains. Chamber 3 has heavy, floor-to-ceiling Zyklon B traces and blue stains, but no Zyklon B induction hole. And, like the roof of Krema 2 at Auschwitz, the ceiling shows no sign of a hole having ever been there. Why would chamber 2 have a Zyklon B induction hole and no traces, and chamber 3 plenty of traces but no hole?

:arrow: The ceilings in chambers 2 and 4 are low enough so that the Zyklon B induction holes could have been blocked by the victims. What would have stopped the inmates from blocking the holes?
(33) The doors to chambers 2,3 and 4 are built to latch from the outside AND the inside. The latches can be opened from either side. Does this suggest that the rooms were used for something other than killing people?

:arrow: Getting back to the issue of hemispherical grids covering the peepholes, it is said that the point of these grids was to prevent the inmates from breaking the glass of the peepholes and causing a gas leak. Yet the hemispherical grids attached to the peepholes on the doors of chambers 2, 3 and 4 are attached on the OUTSIDE of the doors. These grids wouldn't prevent someone INSIDE the room from breaking the glass...but they WOULD prevent someone OUTSIDE the room from doing so. Why are the grids not on the inside? Does this contradict with the statements by Pressac and the eyewitnesses regarding the need for grids in a homicidal gas chamber?

:arrow: The Majdanek camp is built on a hill. At the top of the hill is the camp crematorium. At the opposite end of the camp, at the bottom of the hill, is the "Bath and Disinfection" complex, which houses the gas chambers. From the Nazi's point of view, what was the wisdom in putting the gas chambers at the opposite end of the camp from the ovens, and at the bottom of the hill (after each gassing, the dead bodies would have to have been dragged up the hill, the length of the entire camp, to the ovens)?

:arrow: As the Nazis were preparing to abandon the Majdanek camp, they destroyed the crematorium building. Why were the gas chambers not similarly destroyed? Why would the Nazis leave their weapons of mass murder intact for the world to see? How hard would it have been for the Nazis to destroy the gas chambers, just like they did the crematorium building? At least, shouldn't the Nazis have filled in the Zyklon B induction holes, which serve as direct proofs of homicidal gassings? Either way, the destruction of the crematorium is clear proof that the Nazis had both the time and the ability to demolish buildings in the camp if they wanted to. Why were the gas chambers not demolished?

:arrow: In his book "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers", Jean-Claude Pressac publishes a photo of the Majdanek gas chambers, with the caption "Photograph taken at the Majdanek concentration camp in June 1979, showing one of the disinfestation gas chambers thought to be a homicidal gas chamber." On page 555, he also has this to say about the Majdanek gas chambers: "I am sorry to say, and I am not the only one in the West, that the Majdanek homicidal and/or delousing gas chambers are still waiting for a true historian, which is mildly upsetting in view of the fact that the camp fell into the hands of the Russians intact in 1944." Do these comments suggest that the gas chambers at Majdanek may in fact have been disinfestation gas chambers? At least, don't these comments suggest that there has not yet been a thorough investigation into the purpose of these rooms? **

:arrow: To sum up the Majdanek gas chamber issue: If we take Pressac's comments and then factor in the doors that don't lock, the doors that open INTO the gas chamber, the doors with latches that can be manipulated from both the outside AND the inside, the window in gas chamber 1, the room inside gas chamber 1, the lack of any Zyklon B induction hole in gas chamber 3, the lack of any Zyklon B traces in gas chamber 2 (which DOES have a "Zyklon B induction hole"), the heavy blue stains on the OUTSIDE of the building, and the location of the building, at the bottom of a hill, at the opposite end of the camp from the crematorium, is it reasonable to suggest that these rooms were delousing chambers?


** In what can only be considered an unfortunate example of how major disputes between Holocaust historians are shielded from the public, the same room Pressac describes in his book as a "disinfestation gas chamber" is featured in the book "The World Must Know," the official book of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C., written by Museum director Dr. Michael Berenbaum.
In that book, Berenbaum describes the room as a HOMICIDAL gas chamber and, what's more, a CASTING of this room was made for display AT THE MUSEUM, as PROOF of the homicidal gas chambers! Thus, in both Berenbaum's book AND in the Museum itself, the ONLY material proof given of homicidal gassings is THIS ROOM, a room Pressac staunchly believes to be a disinfestation gas chamber (in fact, in his Auschwitz book, Pressac actually RIDICULES those who say that this Majdanek room is proof of homicidal gassings, and criticizes everyone from the man who prosecuted Faurisson in France to the Majdanek State Museum personnel for perpetuating a fraud).
But does anyone give a damn that the general public, all the millions, might be receiving fraudulent information? Some might suggest that disputes such as these should be kept private so as not to shake the public's confidence in Holocaust history, or in the Holocaust historians. But don't you think we have a RESPONSIBILITY not to knowingly feed the public falsehoods or unproven claims disguised as unquestioned facts? Don't you think we have a responsibility to be honest about our research? If not, what makes us any different from the "historians" of the Soviet Union, or Hitler's Germany, who knowingly tailored their research to produce a politically expedient conclusion? When the ends begin justifying the means, watch integrity go flying out the window.

As bad as the public misinformation about Majdanek is, the Stalin-esque purging of Pressac's "Auschwitz; Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers" from the official record is worse. This master-work of historiography, once loudly heralded in the press (see enclosed clippings), is NOW nowhere to be found when references to Pressac are made. A recent article in "Publishers Weekly," detailing a forthcoming U.S. Holocaust Museum book containing 29 original essays from Holocaust scholars including Berenbaum and Pressac, not only neglects to mention Pressac's gas chamber book, but seems to suggest that Pressac's conversion from revisionist to gas chamber believer came only recently, as he was researching his just-published "slim volume" about the Auschwitz crematorium.
The entire period of the 1980's, which Pressac spent researching his gas chamber book after his "conversion", is omitted.
Yet scholars around the world continue to use Pressac's gas chamber book (if they're lucky enough to have one of the few copies), mainly because, even if one disagrees with Pressac's conclusions, his book is STILL the best (and the only) single source for the blueprints, construction slips, alteration plans, and inter-office communiques regarding the Auschwitz "gas chambers".
Neither side in this debate agrees entirely with Pressac...but for the gas chamber supporters, his book is an embarrassment because it IS so thorough. It is the most thorough work yet produced about the gas chambers, yet Pressac cannot find that elusive objective proof of gassings. So now, apparently, the historians have just decided to pretend the book doesn't exist. I've always referred to the Pressac gas chamber book as the most popular book that never existed!


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Re: the Majdanek camp - layer after layer of lies

Postby Hebden » 1 decade 6 years ago (Tue Dec 31, 2002 3:44 pm)

Hannover wrote:"The Factory of Death at Auschwitz" was written by Boris Polevoi and published in Pravda on February 2, 1945.
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We have in our possession the forerunner to The Factory of Death at Auschwitz, Mr. Konstantin Simonov's expose The Death Factory Near Lublin. Time permitting, we hope to make it available to Mr. Germar Rudolf for publication on his site.

Here's a taster:

We are familiar with the institutions in Sabibor and Bezhetsa, where the victims were transported by a narrow-gauge railway to a remote and deserted field and there first shot and then cremated. We are familiar with the camps in Dachau and Oswiecim and the “Grosslazaret” in Slavuta, where prisoners-of-war and political prisoners were gradually eliminated by maltreatment, starvation and disease.

In the Lublin Extermination Camp all these methods were combined.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:36 pm)

Now check out this dumb, staged Communist photo that the so called 'holocaust' History Project has on their website, absurdly it's claimed to be an opening/chute for Zyklon-B above a non-existent homicidal 'gas chamber' at Majdanek:
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http://www.holocaust-history.org is the same 'holocau$t' marketing site which has had ALL of their assertions debunked one by one by Revisionists. Go ahead, go to the site and then bring your questions to this Forum. It's hands down, Revisionists prevail each and every time.

Comments invited.

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:19 am)

Mr. Hannover, please provide us with a direct link to where this photo may be found.

Furthermore, please note that THHP is a 501(c)(3) organization, which means we do not operate on a profit. Furthermore, our officers and board are not paid. To call us a "marketing site" is a massive mischaracterization of what we do. We don't even sell anything, for God's sake.

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Postby Willing to Learn » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:16 pm)

Hannover wrote:Now check out this dumb, staged Communist photo that the so called 'holocaust' History Project has on their website, absurdly it's claimed to be an opening/chute for Zyklon-B above a non-existent homicidal 'gas chamber' at Majdanek:
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Hey, can you tell me how this picture was staged? It's good to know these tthings when people ask, as they definitely will.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:03 pm)

To Mr. Mathis:
Right click on the photo.
While your organization members may not be paid, you/they market the so called 'holocau$t', which is a vast money making ndustry. I refer you to Norman Finkelstein's book, 'The Holocaust Industry' for info. on the money making details.

To Willing to Learn:
Read the info prior to my posting the picture - there were no gas chambers, the photo is staged; some additional points:

- the roofing nails used to attach the tar or rubber membrane are gleaming brightly, indicating new construction. This "chimney" cannot be more than 2-3 months old, as the nails would have rusted, turning dark brown, from normal weathering.

- The waterproofing membrane does not appear to have been glued (or heat-torched) to the surface of the roof at the corner in the left foreground. Since the roof has a pronounced pitch, water would have run under the membrane corner pieces and through the presumed aperture behind.

- The corner pieces, similiar to tar roof tiles, do not properly protect the corner itself from streaming rain water. There is a noticeable hole (20-30 mm) which would have allowed rainwater to stream down the inside of the chimney there. It is improperly (haphazardly) waterproofed.
If this object had existed for any appreciable length of time, the nails would be rusty and dark and the waterproofing membrane would have been properly sealed at the top corner (left foreground).
This object should be described as a "temporary chimney", constructed for photographic purposes.

- It looks as though the all-important corner flanges were cut from small pieces and tucked under the coverings of the sides, barely. A proper on the spot installation would have necessitated the full flange being installed first, especially covering the corners fully, and the covering of the sides to have followed, overlapping the flanges fully by several inches.
This haphazard tucking of small, ill-fitting pieces at the corners suggests that the already side-covered construct was set into place, and the flanges to protect the corners added afterward to give the appearance (but not reality) of careful waterproofing between the "chimney" prop and the roof.

- This 'gas chamber' has a window....say what?

- The object on the roof was almost certainly constructed and displayed for photographic (propagandistic) purposes by the Soviets. The questionable construction attributes, already noted in this thread, coupled with a total absence of chemical staining or wear on the underside of the lid, are tell-tale indications that the object was never used as a "Zyklon-B introduction device".

- Plus, the storyline at Majdanek has changed from cyanide to carbon monoxide in bottles, The CO bottles outside the "gas chambers" are ***actually carbon dioxide*** with some other ingredient which has been scratched out. Of course, the Germans must have scratched out the other ingredient in retreat . :roll:

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:28 pm)

Hannover wrote:To Mr. Mathis:


Please follow the guidelines regarding the rules of address here, sir.

Right click on the photo


Why did you not include this text:

A Soviet army man posed for this photograph, holding the device's cover, standing next to the device itself. It was published in the London press in October 1944. It is unknown how similar this actually looked to the "little chimneys" of Auschwitz-Birkenau.


This is immediately above the photo you have posted. Why did you not include it?

While your organization members may not be paid, you/they market the so called 'holocau$t', which is a vast money making ndustry. I refer you to Norman Finkelstein's book, 'The Holocaust Industry' for info. on the money making details.


Actually, Finkelstein's book is about reparations paid to survivors and/or to the State of Israel.

As we are not involved in this, I suggest you are mistaken about THHP, and I would appreciate it if you would withdraw the comment.

The IHR sells books: They "market" the Holocaust. And they make money off it. But they, like we, are a 501(c)(3). It seems something is wrong with that.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:00 pm)

aemathisphd wrote:The IHR sells books: They "market" the Holocaust. And they make money off it. But they, like we, are a 501(c)(3). It seems something is wrong with that.

Personally, I think all tax-exempt foundations (including churches) are a great threat to democratic processes.

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Postby Willing to Learn » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:24 pm)

Thank you for the information Hannover and aemathisphd.

It seems that Hannover 'forgot' to mention that the THHP admits that it wsa a staged photo and that they do not know how similar it is to the actual contraptions.

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Postby Scott » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:27 pm)

Hannover wrote:Plus, the storyline at Majdanek has changed from cyanide to carbon monoxide in bottles, The CO bottles outside the "gas chambers" are ***actually carbon dioxide*** with some other ingredient which has been scratched out. Of course, the Germans must have scratched out the other ingredient in retreat .

That would be Cartox, a mixture of carbon dioxide and ethylene oxide also used for fumigation and sold by Degesch.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:35 pm)

Willing to Learn said:
Thank you for the information Hannover and aemathisphd.

It seems that Hannover 'forgot' to mention that the THHP admits that it wsa a staged photo and that they do not know how similar it is to the actual contraptions.


Sorry WTL, I forgot nothing, and they admit nothing of the kind. In fact they lie when they say do not know how similar it was supposed to be...read on.

the 'holocaust' History Project's own text says:
A Soviet army man posed for this photograph, holding the device's cover, standing next to the device itself. It was published in the London press in October 1944. ***It is unknown how similar this actually looked to the "little chimneys" of Auschwitz-Birkenau. ***

Nothing about admitting it's staged.
But yet the 'holocaust' History Project has at their website this, which they claim to be a contraption from Auschwitz/Birkenau (it even says 'little chimney') which has been debunked in other threads:
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=309
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1004

Here it is, from the 'holocaust' History Project's own website:
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:50 pm)

Carbon dioxide and 'Cartox'...thanks Scott, now I know.

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Postby aemathisphd » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:45 am)

Hannover wrote:Sorry WTL, I forgot nothing, and they admit nothing of the kind. In fact they lie when they say do not know how similar it was supposed to be...read on.

the 'holocaust' History Project's own text says:
A Soviet army man posed for this photograph, holding the device's cover, standing next to the device itself. It was published in the London press in October 1944. ***It is unknown how similar this actually looked to the "little chimneys" of Auschwitz-Birkenau. ***

Nothing about admitting it's staged.


"A Soviet army man *POSED* for this photograph..."

How much more direct would you like us to be, exactly?

Saying we lied, by the way, is an actionable offense. I would choose my words more carefully were I you.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:47 am)

again:
'holocaust' History Project says:
A Soviet army man posed for this photograph, holding the device's cover, standing next to the device itself. It was published in the London press in October 1944. ***It is unknown how similar this actually looked to the "little chimneys" of Auschwitz-Birkenau. ***

but aemathisphd now says:
"A Soviet army man *POSED* for this photograph..."

How much more direct would you like us to be, exactly?

Saying we lied, by the way, is an actionable offense. I would choose my words more carefully were I you.


So then, is he now admitting that this photo is staged? The hhp says nothing of the sort.

Is this photo believed by aemathisphd and the so called 'holocaust' history project to be a real 'zyklon-b introduction 'chimney'? Yes or no.

And why should anyone accept the so called 'holocaust' History Project as credible when they say:
***It is unknown how similar this actually looked to the "little chimneys" of Auschwitz-Birkenau. ***

When they then turn around and present their absurd drawing of an alleged 'little chimney' at Auschwitz-Birkenau:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... ematic.gif

Another clear example of the methods used by the desperate.

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Postby Sailor » 1 decade 5 years ago (Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:36 am)

Scott wrote: That would be Cartox, a mixture of carbon dioxide and ethylene oxide also used for fumigation and sold by Degesch.


I wonder how a gas bottle which contains Cartox was labled?

ETHYLENE OXIDE, HEALTH AND SAFETY GUIDE
2.6 Effects on Human Beings
No ambient air monitoring data are available from which the effects of
ethylene oxide on the health of man and the environment can be
assessed. However, the risk of adverse health effects from exposure
to ethylene oxide in the ambient air, apart from point-source
emissions and accidental spillage, is likely to be negligible.

http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg016.htm


Cartox may not be very suitable as a poison gas for homicidal mass-gassings.

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