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Question / Can I go to jail?

Postby Haldan » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Apr 29, 2004 5:46 pm)

I'm wondering if i would question the existence of the "holocaust", would I be put into jail or would they bankrupt me?

According to a friend who said:

no, if someone questions it, they aren't put in jail


Anyone knows? Sorry for the silly question, but i just need to know.


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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:23 pm)

I see you're in Germany; so yes, you'd be arrested, fined, and jailed. No doubt about it. In most of Europe that would happen, as well as crappy little Israel (ofcourse), Canada, and Australia.

Be careful, those who believe in the 'holocau$t' as alleged cannot debate informed Revisionists and prevail. So, rather than admit to the lies, propaganda, and indoctrinaion, they try to silence anyone who disagrees with them. It's called 'shooting the messenger'.

They have only their lies to thank for the Revisionist message.

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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:29 am)

Thanks, Hannover. Very good answer :)
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In fairness

Postby Sannhet » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:17 am)

While we all know the score, let's not kid ourselves...it's not like there is some Gestapo hunting down Revisionists and Holocaust skeptics all over Europe and the world.

Recall the case of Wolfgang Fröhlich of Austria, who had been known to distribute "material that denies the Holocaust" for 7 years before they bothered arresting him, and even then they only arrested him after pressure was put on the government from outside sources (they arrested him a year ago this June). Also recall the dozens of articles and stories in major German-language magazines and newspapers over the past 2 decades or so, that cast serious doubt on the official history of the Holocaust. I don't think the police have ever considered arresting the editor of Der Spiegel.

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 9:41 am)

Surely you jest, Sannhet.
Tell that to Ernst Zundel, tell that F. Toben, tell that to Germar Rudolf, tell that to R. Faurisson, tell that to J. Graf, tell that to W. Froelich, tell that to Gerhard Foerster ... on & on.
Sannhet perhaps is misinformed.

Freedom of speech means freedom of speech.

on Froelich:

This is from the deposition of Wolfgang Froelich during the recent trial of Swiss revisionist Jurgen Graf (condemned to 15 months imprisonment and 18,000 SwF in monetary penalties for investigating the "Holocaust" in Russian archives and publishing the results, as well as a booklet titled "On the Decline of Swiss Freedom").

Froelich is an Austrian engineer and an expert witness whose field of expertise is process engineering and gas applications. He told the court he has carried out numerous gassings to exterminate pests and infectious microbes. Here is how he answers the questions by public prosecutor:
Aufdenblatten: "In your opinion were mass gassings with Zyklon B possible?"

Froelich: "No".

Aufdenblatten: "Why not?"

Froelich: "The pesticide Zyklon B is hydrocyanic acid absorbed in a granular-shaped carrier substance. It is released though contact with the air. The evaporation point of hydrocyanic acid is 25.7 degrees (Celsius). The higher the temperature, the more rapid is the rate of evaporation. The delousing chambers in which Zyklon B was used in NS (German wartime) camps and elsewhere were heated to 30 degrees and higher, so that the hydrocyanic acid would be released rapidly from the carrier granules.
However, in the half-underground mortuaries of the Auschwitz-Birkenau crematories, where witnesses claim that mass killings with Zyklon B took place, the temperatures were much lower. Even if one allows for the warming of the spaces by the body warmth of the hypothetical prisoners, the temperature would not have been more than 15 degrees, even in summer time. Consequently, it would have taken many hours for the hydrocyanic acid to evaporate."

"According to eyewitness reports, the victims died very quickly. The witnesses mention time frames of 'instantaneous' to '15 minutes'. To be able to kill the gas chamber prisoners in such a short time, the Germans would have had to use ridiculously large amounts of Zyklon -- I estimate from 40 to 50 kilograms for each gassing. This would have made any work in the gas chamber fundamentally impossible. The special detachment (Sonderkommando) people, whom the witnesses say were assigned the task of clearing out (dead bodies) from them (the gas chambers), would have collapsed immediately upon entering the rooms, even if they were wearing gas masks. Enormous amounts of hydrocyanic acid would have streamed out into the open, and would have poisoned the entire camp".

Froehlich's statements corroborate the investigations and declarations of such specialists as Austrian engineer Walter Lueftl, American research chemist William B. Lindsay, German chemist Germar Rudolf, and German engineer Wofgang Schuster.

Now comes another interesting bit. Immediately following Froelich's statement, here is what public prosecutor Aufdenblatten had to say to him:
Aufdenblatten: "I hereby ask the court to bring charges against you for racial discrimination, on the basis of Article 261 (the Anti-Racism Law) or otherwise I'll do it myself".

Indeed, the gas chambers fraud is so blatant that "Anti-Racism" Laws are needed!
Defence attorney Stehrenberger informed the court that in view of this blatant intimidation of the witness, he would withdraw from the case. He later expressed further objections to the sham proceedings, and resumed his duties as defence attorney. To no avail, ofcourse.
Judge Andrea Staubli (to Graf): "Can't you imagine that Jews feel offended by your books?"

Graf: "Yes, and many non-Jews as well. The brain-washing has been so thorough that anyone who inadvertently stumbles upon the truth would be completely upset".

Staubli: "And don't you care if Jews feel offended by your books?"

Graf: "Edgar Bronfman (the president of the Jewish World Congress) said recently that Switzerland is like a man who has to have his feet held in the fire before he sees reason. Can't you imagine that a Swiss person would feel offended by that? Why is it that only Jewish feelings are taken into account and never the feelings of non-Jews?"

Graf got 15 months and was fined 18,000 SwF. His publisher Gerhard Foerster -- a 78 years old man suffering from several illnesses, who needs a wheel chair to go around -- got 12 months imprisonment and 53,000 SwF, assorted financial punishment.

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Postby Sannhet » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:11 pm)

We can no doubt spend hours listing people prosecuted for Revisionist study and distribution of Revisionist material, and we can expand that list to include others who have had phony charges brought about against them as a result of real or perceived Revisionist beliefs. But in reality, there is no Gestapo that lurks in the Shadows waiting to pounce on any and every Revisionist. It is an exaggeration to say so

Horst Mahler very recently announced in open court something like "We did not kill 6 million Jews, it is a lie". No extra charges were brought against him for that statement, only a stern rebuke and a threat from the judge. Now, if he had instead physically attacked one of the guards, new charges would have almost certainly been brought about. Therefore, Revisionism isn't a "crime" in the same sense that assault is a crime. Governments only use the anti-Revisionist laws to get rid of people they don't like (hence no laws against Revisionism that would offend Germans and only laws against Revisionism that would offend Jews). In countries with Anti-Revisionist laws, there are police "on the beat" every day looking for murderers, drug dealers, etc. but I doubt even a single person in law enforcement dedicates their career to chasing down Revisionists and skeptics. Abe Foxman and his comrades don't count :) but then again they aren't in a country that has Anti-Revisionist laws, although they would be if they had their way :(

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 4:33 pm)

We can no doubt spend hours listing people prosecuted for Revisionist study and distribution of Revisionist material, and we can expand that list to include others who have had phony charges brought about against them as a result of real or perceived Revisionist beliefs. But in reality, there is no Gestapo that lurks in the Shadows waiting to pounce on any and every Revisionist. It is an exaggeration to say so.

Say what? Talk about contradictory statements. Those arrested prove my point.

There may not be a 'Gestapo', but there are Communist/Socialist NKVD types galore and those in prison prove it.

And Mahler is already under indictment.

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Postby Sannhet » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:08 pm)

Hannover, I think you are exaggerating in taking such a hardline position

Halden originally asked if he could/would be put in jail if it were established that he questioned the Holocaust. The truth is, Haldenl's friend is right in saying that they wouldn't throw a person in jail just for merely questioning, although I guess technically they could, but it's probably about as likely as Cuba declaring war on the US

The governments only pursue these kinds of charges against people they want to take down; it would be like the government arresting some White Supremacists on phony charges of some kind or another. They are interested in taking the Racists down, they are not interested in the crime the Racists are supposed to have commited. Same with Anti-Revisionist laws. They use the laws to chase Big-time Revisionists, they aren't really interested in the "crime" of Revisionism per se, or in the small-time doubter at all. Show me a small-time doubter who was sentenced to jail for writing something on the internet or talking to friends about this or something or that sort

As far as the Socialist NKVD comment, remember that the father of Holocaust Revisionism was a Socialist. Truth, and the pursuit thereof, does not know politics...not that I am condoning Communism, which is clearly a terrible idea...

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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 6 years ago (Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:27 pm)

Hardline? A loaded term I see.

The facts are the facts, people are arrested for questioning the lies of the 'holocaust' as alleged, plain & simple. Naturally one would only hear about the big timers. And ofcourse the intimidation factor prevents free speech and expression of thoughts which would allow some to say, 'see not many arrested', or 'see, everybody believes the story'.

My statement was about "Communist/Socialist NKVD types", not simply 'socialists', so please.

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