I understand you never made any concession; the fact is one does not, out of pure necessity, need the nazis to admit if it was a forgery or not, or even the allies to claim they never wrote it. One just needs to look for internal inconsistencies, or else whether or not it contradicts known documents, claims, statements that are made elsewhere in the historical picture around that time. Or if we have any documenation about nazis admitting it was a forgery, that would be interesting. That's all I am getting at.The Lachout Document
By the way, after reading this document, it should be clear that especially with regard to Dachau, Michael Shermer had to admit on Donanue with Cole and Bradley in 1994 that it is now admitted no one was gassed at Dachau. Maybe Frank Serpico should be told about that. Maybe the people at Nizkor should be reminded that Americans and British and Jews have all admitted that Germans were tortured and Germar Rudolf has documented abuses that went so far as testicle abuse.
This is probably my favourite thing so far.
2 days ago
4.The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers were used either for bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they were used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible fabrication. Orthodox historians and professional "Nazi-hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and the other camps captured by the Soviets.
1 day ago
4. A common argument but collapses in on itself on the point of "Inmates" being in the Camp to begin with; Why were they there? A note worthy fact should also be most Real Historians agree with the fact the Holocaust was real and the Nazis did begin attempting to wipe out those who they saw as Impure to their Ideal master race. A matter to back this up is the discovery of hazardous chemicals in the area which were most probably used as the gas.
Completely disregards facts. He needs to be given a link to an article of some kind or that Donanue show with Cole where Cole gets Michael Shermer to admit that Dachau chamber is now admitted to have never been used on humans. Until he has such hard evidence, he is not to be blamed for his ignorance. He needs the facts shoved in his face. Once we see his response, THEN and ONLY THEN will we get an accurate insight into his mind and how open it really is or not.
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FIVE STUPID THINGS ABOUT STEVE SHIVES:
1. His constant use of scatological ad hominems evinces his limited vocabulary.
2. Constantly resorting to hackneyed cliches such as "mountains of evidence" while providing no mountains and less evidence.
3. Making utterly duplicitous charges such as "Holocaust deniers fit the evidence to their own prearranged conclusions" (a paraphrase) when, in point of fact, it is HOLOHOAX BELIEVERS who object to objective scientific research regarding the Shoa Business and engage in the Procrustean endeavor of forcing all evidence and statistics to fit the sacrosanct 6 million number and who make the absurd, circular argument that "it is not necessary to prove that the Holocaust was true; it is true because it happened."
4. Presenting a photograph of a reconstruction of a so called "gas chamber" built by the Communist Polish government after the war- in other words, a phony- while he cites "scientific studies" proving the actual reverse of his conclusions (that homicidal gas chambers existed)- i.e., that validate the German claim that Zyklon-B was used in the delousing chambers- which show extremely high iron cyanide levels- as compared to the alleged homicidal gas chambers- which show none.
5. Ending his stupid video presentation by betraying his utter and sycophantic servility to the Jewish narrative with a pathetic attempt at irony.
Mr. Shives, that fecal matter you reference and which you dish out in copious amounts is hardly likely to be of canine origin.
And another one.
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+Toarcade Is it just me or is the the quote "Hoess was only tortured briefly in the beginning for a few days" deeply worrying? If we were in a courtroom today you could never get away with saying that. (You really should know this). And to then say "there is absolutely NO proof of further torture" is bordering on the ridiculous. Most of what we debate on here is evidence, for or against, who was convicted and who wasn't. Is some of the proof enough to acquit or convict? On that basis much of what we post is discussed in legal scenarios, (what would work in court, what wouldn't ETC). You have absolutely NO grasp of basic law and how it works. You would be laughed out of court and along with it your case.
You can NEVER defend the torture of Hoess. You would gain more credibility if you would just admit the Hoess conviction is unsound and focus your argument on more credible witnesses.
Roberto Muehlenkamp loved this line of argumentation. Hoess was 'mishandled' but the second time around he told the truth because he had no reason to fear he would be tortured again. I'm sorry but didn't the Germans lose the fucking war and have no hope of victory in any sense? To claim that first 'mishandling' would NOT stick on Hoss' mind and NOT influence his testimony at a second trial years later, defies and inverts all known aspects of human psychology. But then as we know, Muehlenkamp has drugs for his mental problems so clearly his mental faculties aren't all there. Which would explain that and other poor lines of argumentation he has taken.
Here's an interesting exchange.
1 month ago
How did Germans kill 6 million Jews if Germany had only about 250,000 Jews living there? And the Transfer Agreement which Zionist and Germans signed to transfer Jews to Palestine?
4 weeks ago
Oh dear, you gotta put in some more effort than that to be accepted as a denier! Your little comparison of 6m vs. 250k is such rubbish, it's unbelievable, but here's the true story nonetheless just so to make sure that there's no dumbo who ends up believing it:
~217,000 Jews lived in GERMANY (excl. the 200,000 Jews in Austria that joined the Reich in 1938 again!) in 1937, but you certainly heard that Hitler conquered other countries with much more Jews, right? Around 9.5 million Jews lived in pre-war Europe, 3 million in Poland alone.
The Haavara agreement, yes, that ripoff to squeeze money out of emigrants. Only around 55,000 Jews did actually go to Palestine as part of this transfer, but that was for German Jews and the transfer stopped in 1939. The lion share of the 6 million that were murdered comes from Polish, Hungarian and Russian Jews.
Now why is that? Could it be because the Zionists wanted Jews to either go to Palestine or stay in Europe and be killed or starved? Yep. The latter. Hmpf. Ignoramus.