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Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby Dolma » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:46 pm)

I must have missed something in my studies.

Can anyone show me the alleged "paperwork trail" that leads to Treblinka II?

(I'm not talking about the Treblinka rail station, I'm talking about the camp called Treblinka II.)

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:34 pm)

Dolma wrote:I must have missed something in my studies.


People really need to read Mattogno, Kues and Graf's latest.

In truth, the fundamental question is now insoluble from a documentary point of view, regardless of the historiographical position from which it is examined: if the “extermination camps” really existed, the National Socialists must have destroyed the related documentation on the “gas chambers” and exterminations (for indeed there is none); if the “extermination camps” did not exist as such, then the Soviets must have destroyed the related documentation on prisoner transfers and resettlement. [...]

Nevertheless, while the dilemma is real, the revisionist position is more reasonable. It is well-known that the Germans left undestroyed large quantities of documents relating to the shootings of Jews, particularly on the Eastern Front, documents written in blunt and open laguage. Why, then, should they have needed to systematically destroy all documents relating to the “Aktion Reinhardt extermination camps” and Chełmno? (p.84)

We are dealing here with the status of the documentation sequestered, analyzed and selected by the victors of the Second World War – in this case the Soviets – to sustain their accusations against National Socialist Germany, as I explained in detail in chapter 2. In this context, possible documents regarding the Jewish deportation to the East through the Aktion Reinhardt camps cannot exist as a matter of principle, both from the exterminationist perspective, because they would have been destroyed by the National Socialists, and from the revisionist perspective, because they would have been destroyed by the document selectors of the Allies. The question to be explained is still this: why would the National Socialists have destroyed exclusively the documentation on the Aktion Reinhardt camps, but left behind a conspicuous and voluminous documentation on mass shootings of Jews? (p.584)


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The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt” An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers, by Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues, Jürgen Graf
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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby Dolma » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:13 pm)

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People really need to read Mattogno, Kues and Graf's latest.


Is that the same Kues that wrote this:

thomas "there is little reason to doubt" kues:

Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka

Quote:
8 ) Sturdy Colls’s statement that “the failure to provide persuasive physical evidence [of mass graves] led some to question whether it could really be true that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed here” implies that the presence of mass graves itself would be enough to refute the “deniers”. However, it is clear that mass graves of considerable size must have existed at Treblinka, even if it was in fact only a transit camp. Holocaust historian Dieter Pohl estimates that up to 5 % of the deportees to the Reinhardt camps perished en route due to suffocation, dehydration, crushing caused by panicking deportees etc.[19] Considering that the reception of transports at Treblinka during the intense initial months of operation is claimed to have been grossly mismanaged by the first camp commandant, Dr. Irmfried Eberl (who, apparently because of this reason, was fired and replaced by Franz Stangl), leading to the delay of transports at way stations [20] – and this in the summer heat of July and August – there is little reason to doubt this estimate with regard to Treblinka. Since some 800,000 Jews in total were deported to Treblinka during the camp’s period of operation (July 1942 – August 1943), this would mean a total of some 40,000 en route deaths. Moreover, there are reasons to assume that a smaller percentage of the deportees were subjected to “euthanasia” due to contageous or mental diseases, or for being too weak for further transport. To this should be added a smaller number of deaths among the camp inmates caused by epidemics etc, as well as those killed by guards in connection with attempts at escape or uprisings.


Really? Well now, that is most certainly news to me. I would really like to get more information about these phantom "euthanized and DOA at the Reinhardt camps" jews.

Hopefully thomas has the courage, integrity and character to defend his allegations.


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Did Kues ever accept this challenge to defend his allegations?

I'm sorry TheBlackRabbitofInlé, but I don't think I should trust anything that is written, or even co-written by Kues. (It seems to me he's of the Irving / Weber ilk.)
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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:44 pm)

Dolma wrote:TheBlackRabbitofInlé

People really need to read Mattogno, Kues and Graf's latest.


Is that the same Kues that wrote this:

thomas "there is little reason to doubt" kues:

Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka

Quote:
8 ) Sturdy Colls’s statement that “the failure to provide persuasive physical evidence [of mass graves] led some to question whether it could really be true that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed here” implies that the presence of mass graves itself would be enough to refute the “deniers”. However, it is clear that mass graves of considerable size must have existed at Treblinka, even if it was in fact only a transit camp. Holocaust historian Dieter Pohl estimates that up to 5 % of the deportees to the Reinhardt camps perished en route due to suffocation, dehydration, crushing caused by panicking deportees etc.[19] Considering that the reception of transports at Treblinka during the intense initial months of operation is claimed to have been grossly mismanaged by the first camp commandant, Dr. Irmfried Eberl (who, apparently because of this reason, was fired and replaced by Franz Stangl), leading to the delay of transports at way stations [20] – and this in the summer heat of July and August – there is little reason to doubt this estimate with regard to Treblinka. Since some 800,000 Jews in total were deported to Treblinka during the camp’s period of operation (July 1942 – August 1943), this would mean a total of some 40,000 en route deaths. Moreover, there are reasons to assume that a smaller percentage of the deportees were subjected to “euthanasia” due to contageous or mental diseases, or for being too weak for further transport. To this should be added a smaller number of deaths among the camp inmates caused by epidemics etc, as well as those killed by guards in connection with attempts at escape or uprisings.


Really? Well now, that is most certainly news to me. I would really like to get more information about these phantom "euthanized and DOA at the Reinhardt camps" jews.

Hopefully thomas has the courage, integrity and character to defend his allegations.


Hannover @ Thomas Kues Holocaust by Train

Did Kues ever accept this challenge to defend his allegations?


It's the first I've heard of it, but being a regular reader of Kues' work I don't believe he ever bothered responding to that two sentence rebuttal by Hannover. Perhaps if he fleshes it out a little it might warrant a response.

Dolma wrote:I'm sorry TheBlackRabbitofInlé, but I don't think I should trust anything that is written, or even co-written by Kues. (It seems to me he's of the Irving / Weber ilk.)


Can I ask what recent revisionist studies on the Reinhardt camps you're familiar with?
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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby Dolma » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:59 pm)

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It's the first I've heard of it,


You were an active participant in the thread.

TheBlackRabbitofInlé

Can I ask what recent revisionist studies on the Reinhardt camps you're familiar with?


I don't like being lied to so - no, you can't.

Edited to add

Perhaps it was my fault for not giving a precise link to Kues' holocaust by train nonsense. Here is a more accurate link that shows the thread heading

Hannover @ Thomas Kues Holocaust by Train

Edited again to add

Well, I guess not. I don't know what is wrong, but the link I have provided does go to the thread in question.
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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby Dolma » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:07 pm)

Let's get back to my original post:

Can anyone show me the alleged "paperwork trail" that leads to Treblinka II?

(I'm not talking about the Treblinka rail station, I'm talking about the camp called Treblinka II.)

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:24 pm)

I didn't bother clicking your link last time, I just read what you posted. And apologies to Hannover, as I see it wasn't his challenge to Kues as I mistakenly claimed, but someone elses'.

But I stand by what I said, it's the first I've heard of that challenge, the fact that I made a single post on that thread—where I only posted a newspaper clipping—is not proof that I read the quote from whoever from the now defunct forum. And it's pathetically childish of you to assert that I'm a liar.

No further correspondence.
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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

Postby Dolma » 5 years 9 months ago (Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:45 pm)

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And it's pathetically childish of you to claim assert that I'm a liar. No further correspondence.


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Re: Show me the alleged Treblinka "paperwork trail"

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