Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Read and post various viewpoints or search our large archives.

Moderator: Moderator

Forum rules
Be sure to read the Rules/guidelines before you post!
User avatar
Haldan
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 1371
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2003 9:56 pm
Location: <secret>
Contact:

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Haldan » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:04 am)

Hektor wrote:
EtienneSC wrote:I have been requested to move this post from another thread to which it was not relevant. I am reposting as it concerns a Himmler letter that is of interest in its own right: ....

In German deceased:
Sie haben mir dafür zu garantieren, dass an jeder Stelle die Leichname dieser verstorbenen Juden entweder verbrannt oder vergraben werden, und dass an keiner Stelle mit den Leichnamen etwas anderes geschehen kann.

"Verstorben" generally means "died of natural causes."

But it would still be useful to have a scan or facsimile of that letter.


I, too, raised my eyebrows when I read the post by EtienneSC. I cannot understand how it is 'incriminating' in any shape. As you say, a scan of the original would be most helpful.

Regards,
-haldan
<?php if ($Holocaust == false ) {deny_repeatedly(); } else { investigate(); } ?>
Homage to Catalin Haldan

DHebden
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:03 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby DHebden » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:40 am)

Quitting the thread, as requested.

[Please note that DHebden removed the text of his posts which were responded to. Why?
He was not asked to quit this thread, he was told to respond to a registrant's challenges, otherwise, per our basic guidelines, he must leave the thread. Declining to respond to the challenges was his choice. M1]
Last edited by DHebden on Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 9778
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:31 am)

Hebden:
As far as the subject of this thread is the reality of the existence of a designated Aktion 1005 - with its attendant Sonderkommandos - dedicated to the eradication of mass graves...
But there is no proof the "eradication of mass graves", you're just ignoring all the information in this thread which shoots that notion down. Besides, it is not possible to "eradicate mass graves", there would still be proof of their existence AND there would still be human remains to, well, bury in mass graves. They do not just vanish.
Unless you can produce original documents you simply have nothing that wouldn't be laughed out of a legit court of law. If one claims there are documents to support their position it is incumbent upon them to produce the claimed documents. That's the way real law works

Again, Romanov has the same problem, no original documents, no case. It's truly ridiculous.

You cite the Eichmann trial like it's the end all, be all. It has been shown be filled with utter fabrications, not to mention the complete lack of physical evidence that is claimed to exist in the trial. See our threads on the Eichmann Trial.
ex: The Eichmann trial

You want to debate, then do so, but claiming that original documents exist while not being able to produce them is ludicrous.

Challenge: show us the original documents. It's on you, the accuser.

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent racist Jewish supremacists demand that there be no open debate.
Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.


- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 9778
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:48 am)

Also, with the so called Aktion 1005 you are including Babi Yar, which also has been thoroughly debunked long ago.
search: Babi Yar at this forum for more. You'll find an amazing lack of a claimed 34,000 or more corpses said to have been dumped into a non-existent "mass grave".

Not to mention the aerial photos taken at the time of the alleged incident which show no such activities at all.

- Hannover

ex:
Hannover wrote:Babi Yar ravine outside of Kiev, The Ukraine, is alleged to be an enormous mass shooting site by the Einsatzgruppen (German anti-guerilla/terrorist forces). The numbers are all over the place, from 34,000 to ca. 300,000; which creates skepticism in itself.
The story goes that Jews were shot on the edge of the ravine, fell to the bottom, were then buried. The corpses are said to have been exhumed later to hide the evidence and cremated via:
1. open air pyres
2. ovens made of tombstones from the nearby Jewish cemetery (no, not a joke - that's part of a version of the story). There has never been an official forensic study, it's not permitted. Read on.
Babi Yar photo here:
Image
Image

This particular photo was taken during the exact time of the alleged exhumations & cremations of supposedly, tens of thousands (cremation furnaces alleged to have been made from Jewish tombstones from nearby cemetery, cemetery shown in photo). The photo is available from the U.S. National Archives and is listed as: GX 3938 SG, exposure 105. If the alleged event were true, we would be seeing the massive cremations in progress, large numbers of German soldiers, equipment, the actual disturbed site, etc. We see nothing of the sort.

also see: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndbabiyar.html
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 9778
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:03 pm)

Hebden says:
... the two PRO decodes found by Tyas that tie in with Paul Blobel are suggestive, to say the least.
Please show us these "suggestive" decodes.

As for Blobel:
Blobel, who was supposedly the main SS officer in all these alleged mass shootings into the non-existent pits. Blobel is said to have been responsible for digging up the remains and cremating them in order to hide the crimes for which Believers claim the Germans invited the public to witness. Typical 'holocaust' logic in place again. Blobel, while in captivity got in a real zinger:

Owing to the moving up of the front-line it was not possible to destroy the mass graves further south and east which had resulted from executions by the Einsatzgruppen.


So this contradicts the storyline which says Blobel obliterated the mass graves (which would not be possible anyway) and these non-hidden mass graves 'in the south & east' which were supposedly witnessed should be available for excavation. But the Jewish supremacists don't dare excavate.
Again, the purveyors of the 'holocaust' nonsense have painted themselves into a corner and their only way out is to make scrutiny of the absurd and impossible story line illegal.
- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

DHebden
Posts: 3
Joined: Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:03 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby DHebden » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:43 pm)

Quitting the thread, as requested.

[Please note that DHebden removed the text of his posts which were responded to. Why?
He was not asked to quit this thread, he was told to respond to a registrant's challenges, otherwise, per our basic guidelines, he must leave the thread. Declining to respond to the challenges was his choice. M1]
Last edited by DHebden on Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Atigun
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 493
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:13 am

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Atigun » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:09 pm)

Hannover,
I just did a Google search for "ground penetrating radar sales rentals" and got close to 500,000 hits. It's obvious that GPR is no longer an exotic experimental technology but an affordable, work-a-day tool with numerous applications. Why, then, must we rely upon bits and pieces of paper, "suggestive" translations, quibbles over translations, fraudulent documents and so on when access to accurate verifiable data is readily available for the price of a few days use of a readily available technology? Obviously, the hoaxers have control of the alleged death camps and will absolutely forbid any valid investigation of those sites. However, there must be some sites of alleged mass graves that could be investigated by "low profile investigators." Well, perhaps not but the fact that the hoaxers forbid even the most non-invasive investigations of their alleged extermination sites should make the fallacy of the hoaxers claims obvious to even the most casual researcher. Given current technology, the hoaxer's protestations have been reduced to defining what the meaning of "is" is.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 9778
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:46 pm)

It is noted that Hebden avoided most of my points.

Hebden, you said:
... the two PRO decodes found by Tyas that tie in with Paul Blobel are suggestive, to say the least.
This is really old news, Hebden. There is nothing suggestive in the slightest, see:
Hannover @ Irving attempts 'rehabilitation' via the Hoefle Telegram

Then you cite this:
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... lobel.html
It's nothing more than conjured up nonsense with zero proof presented.
You do present statements that Blobel made while incarcerated, thanks for including this one which I already stated and showed how ridiculous it was:
Owing to the approach of the front, it was not possible to destroy the mass graves further to the south and the east, resulting from the executions of the Einsatzgruppen.
Please show me these alleged mass graves "further to the south and east". You cannot, no one can.

I do like the laughable faked pictures, especially the staged dead guys in a pile of logs with their hats on :lol:
Image
and silly 'gas vans' absurdity.

also see:
Hannover @ NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!

Hannover @ Graf debunks the laughable 'gas vans'

phoney gas vans / J. McCarthy & 'holocaust' Hist. Proj.

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 9778
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:33 am)

Hebden:
- You dodged the gas van debunking I posted.
- You dodged the laughable fake pictures.
- You dodged my info. on Babi Yar.
- You have not produced a single original German document to prove your claims, not one.
- You do produce unsupported text written by who knows who, where again there is not a single original German document shown to prove their false claims, even though the claim is made of such alleged "documents".
- You ignore the fact that Germans tried at Nuremberg were routinely tortured, mock trials were held to insure compliance, and threats against their families were the norm. Documents for the defense were routinely denied and challenges to 'facts' were not permitted. And oh yes, there was proof submitted at Nuremberg for killing of Jews in 'steam chambers', which was not refuted by any of the Allies. etc.; see at end of post. *
- You have not shown us a single mass grave that you allege.

Obviously I accept the decodes since I did respond to them and I never said they were fake, but there is nothing sinister contained in them.
These decodes NEVER even mention an "Aktion 1005", or even the number "1005".
The decodes indicate nothing sinister, nothing. Remember there was a war going on and soldiers were routinely assigned secret tasks, no big deal.
I do note that you ignore the decodes with very specifically stated damning information, see:
Concentration Camp Vital Statistics

* on torture:
All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was Standard Operating Procedure with American investigators.

- Judge E. L. van Roden, "American Atrocities in Germany", The Progressive. February 1949, p. 21f.
Judge van Roden's allegation of torture to gain "confessions" is confirmed by Texas Supreme Court Judge, Gordon Simpson. He confirmed that savage beatings, smashing of testicles, and months of solitary confinement occurred.
- Congressional Record, appendix. v. 95,sec.12, 3/10/49
The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to [Bernard] Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.'"(12)
- 12.R. Butler, Legions of Death, Hamlyn, (London, 1983), p.237
American judge, van Roden:
"Statements admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses"
more:
getting the desired 'confession'....via torture

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent racist Jewish supremacists demand that there be no open debate.
Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.


- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 1629
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:23 am

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Moderator » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:26 pm)

Hebden:
You have raised numerous points in your posts which have been challenged with rebuttals given. Heretofore you have not answered these challenges. There is no dodging at this forum, that's what real debate is about. Granted, each thread should be concerned with one point, but it was you who have raised the many points which have been challenged. You are not new here, you know about our basic guidelines.
Respond to the challenges or leave the thread. Thanks.
M1
Only lies need to be shielded from debate, truth welcomes it.

User avatar
Hannover
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 9778
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2002 7:53 pm

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Hannover » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:26 pm)

In review, there certainly appears to be some monkey business with the alleged decodes claiming general mass shootings of Jew non-combatant civilians.

I suggest this thread about certain, supposed 'decodes':
Massacres in the Soviet Union

ex.:
Hannover wrote:Hebden says:
It is of course for reasons of secrecy that exterminationists claim the Auschwitz decodes make no reference to gassings.


But that ignores the text posted by elbod that 'shooting thousands of Jews in one place' was included in these so called "decodes", against alleged orders of the SS for secrecy.
What we have here is most peculiar; the SS forces were then supposed to be deliberately violating orders of secrecy about "mass shootings in pits" & "starvation" of Jews, but according to Hebden, adhered to orders of secrecy for the alleged 'gas chambers'. Well, it's laughable to say the least and has strained credulity past the breaking point.
And it dodges the facts on the ground at Auschwitz that clearly indicated then, as it does now, there were no gassings.

However, what's also no longer a secret is the fact that the alleged massive pits do not exist, and Believers, regardless of their frustration, are unable to produce them.

- Hannover
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

User avatar
hermod
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 2076
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2013 10:52 am

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby hermod » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:21 pm)

EtienneSC wrote:it concerns a Himmler letter that is of interest in its own right:
Eric Hunt wrote: [on another thread]
Joachim Neander, in a German paper presented at the 28th conference of the German Studies Association, cites the following quote by Himmler from a November 20, 1942 letter to the head of the Gestapo, Heinrich Müller. Himmler had written to Müller due to an exposé by Rabbi Dr. Stephen Wise, which mentioned the soap rumor and had been printed in The New York Times:
“You have guaranteed me that at every site the corpses of these deceased Jews are either burned or buried, and that at no site anything else can happen with the corpses
.



Among other things, here is the kind of BS propagated by Top Zionist Stephen S. Wise in November 1942:

- The Nazis have established a price of 50 Reichmarks for each corpse - mostly Jewish.

- The corpses of slain civilians are "processed into such war-vital commodities as soap fats and fertilizer".

- Hitler "is even exhuming the dead for the value of the corpses".

Image
http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y46 ... 626b4f.jpg
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 42,2232449

Image
http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y46 ... 9a784a.jpg
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 ... 55,5033649
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

User avatar
Moderator
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 1629
Joined: Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:23 am

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Moderator » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:04 pm)

Please note that DHebden removed the text of his posts which were responded to. Why?
He was not asked to quit this thread, he was told to respond to a registrant's challenges, otherwise, per our basic guidelines, he must leave the thread. Declining to respond to the challenges was his choice. M1
Only lies need to be shielded from debate, truth welcomes it.

Breker
Valuable asset
Valuable asset
Posts: 744
Joined: Thu May 18, 2006 5:39 pm
Location: Europa

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Breker » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:43 pm)

The Moderator explains:
Please note that DHebden removed the text of his posts which were responded to. Why?
He was not asked to quit this thread, he was told to respond to a registrant's challenges, otherwise, per our basic guidelines, he must leave the thread. Declining to respond to the challenges was his choice. M1
Yes, we have been following this thread and it's rather obvious that Mr. Hebden was most embarrassed by responses to the content of his posts and therefore erased them. That certainly demonstrates a complete lack of confidence in the perversely mandated "Holocaust" legend. Another ball into the goal for revisionists.
B.
Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

Atigun
Valued contributor
Valued contributor
Posts: 493
Joined: Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:13 am

Re: Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942

Postby Atigun » 5 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:52 pm)

I imagine that Mr. DHebden will soon make an appearance on "Holocaust Controversies," "Skeptic," or a similar site to triumphantly declare that he singlehandedly assaulted fortress CODOH and demolished the spurious lies of revisionism (especially those of Hannover) to the point where the perfidious CODOH moderators had to delete his irrefutable posts and denied him access to the thread.


Return to “'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Feedfetcher and 4 guests