I jumped back to page 30 and found this.
Again you do nothing but repeat your spurious bullshit. There has been two photos posted of ante mortem discoloration in just the last few pages. Wiernik stated that the new 7x7 meter gas chambers could hold as many as 1,200 people and there were 10 chambers in the new building that he helped build. Now you claim that as many as 12,000 cadavers could be removed from the gas chambers and cremated within a time span of 20 minutes and the onset of livor mortis. Tell us just exactly how that was done, Nessie. Or are you, as usual, going to claim an impossibility and then defend it by claiming that anyone who doesn't believe your Cadillac spaceship story is arguing a "fallacy of incredulity." That's like the story of the Nazi enclave beneath the ice at the South Pole and anyone who doesn't believe that is "arguing from a fallacy of incredulity." You need some new weasel dodges.
Further down, Nessie says this.
Again you do nothing but repeat your spurious bullshit. There has been two photos posted of ante mortem discoloration in just the last few pages. Wiernik stated that the new 7x7 meter gas chambers could hold as many as 1,200 people and there were 10 chambers in the new building that he helped build. Now you claim that as many as 12,000 cadavers could be removed from the gas chambers and cremated within a time span of 20 minutes and the onset of livor mortis.
Please show where I made those alleged claims.
At which point as you can see, Turnagain had to throw it back in his face what Wiernik claimed. Back to page 32, just at the bottom.
According to Wiernik, there were as many as 12,000 people gassed at a time in Treblinka's new gas chambers that he helped to construct. Each chamber was 7x7 meters. Each chamber could hold as many as 1,000 to 1,200 people and there were 10 chambers. So, your 200 man sonderkommando had to move 3 cadavers per minute to meet your self imposed 20 minute deadline. That works out to one (1) corpse every 20 seconds, Nessie. Don't forget that at least the first few thousand of those bodies had to be sorted by gender, age and obesity to obtain the proper mix for a complete cremation. Tell us again why the Germans gave a damn why anyone saw the dead Jews turning red since, in any event, they were all going to be cremated. Tell us how placing cadavers randomly in a pile will somehow result in an even surface pressure over 100% of all the cadavers. Tell us again why anyone should believe your "I drove my Cadillac Coupe de Ville to the moon" irrational fantasies.
I would caution this is a strawman because 20 minutes is a minimum but Nessie is arguing not twenty minutes, but something else. Perhaps turnagain missed it up at the top of page 32. I will post it again.
2 - I am arguing all bodies were disposed of before cherry red, fixed lividity became visible. You kept on going on that that meant all bodies were disposed of within 20 minutes, but the medical texts show that is the minimum time for it to start to appear. It can also take up to 3 hours and it takes a minimum of 6 hours to become fixed. So there is a big time gap between death and thousands of bodies lying around with bright cherry red lividity showing as per Berg's claims.
So now the question becomes, did all of the bodies that weren't under any pressure from other bodies - something that apparently stalls the redness from appearing - make it into the graves before three hours? Is that even possible with the numbers of sonderkommando available? And what methods were they using anyway? Anyone want to jump in? I am trying to simply the debate here because at rodoh it's like a bunch of chickens running around without heads.
Anyway, when Turnagain, laid out the math saying that at Treblinka there were 10 chambers at one time and each one at campacity could hold 1000 to 1200 leading to the huge total of 12000 people each gassing round in those each 7mX7m chambers, how does Nessie respond on page 33?
Where did Wiernik say 12,000 people were gassed at a time?
So because Wiernik didn't say it explicitly, Turnagain has no business engaging in math like that putting the absurdities out there for Nessie to deal with. And when Turnagain refuses to believe such nonsense because of things like this...
So, your 200 man sonderkommando had to move 3 cadavers per minute to meet your self imposed 20 minute deadline. That works out to one (1) corpse every 20 seconds, Nessie. Don't forget that at least the first few thousand of those bodies had to be sorted by gender, age and obesity to obtain the proper mix for a complete cremation.
Because fat women had to go on the bottom and all the corpses had to have their sexual and anal orifices studied and jaws broken for gold teeth ALL BEFORE being dragged to the burial pit...because Turnagain refuses to believe in such nonsense and asks how it was possible, Nessie screams, ARGUMENT FROM INCREDUILTY, ARGUMENT FROM INCREDULITY.
Here is how I think Nessie is arguing:
The chambers are 7mX7m. There are ten of them. This is according to Wiernik. Wiernik also says that 1000 to 1200 can fit in these chambers at a time. So that is 10000 to 12000 each gassing session with all chambers in use. The 200 sonderkommandos drag them all out and pile up some of them but spread out the rest because they have to check the mouth, anus and vagina for valuables. Then they have to be moved to the pit. But the corpses are checked quickly enough that the moving of the corpses begins and this prevents the red colour from showing up in the skin. Even if this was not all accomplished in under three hours, or even six hours, nessie would claim it does not matter because the dragging of the corpses by human hands to the burial pits, or even the moving of them into the deep pits by an excavator, prevent the redness from showing up in the bodies.
That is Nessie's argument in a nutshell.
I still have yet to see an explanation as to why Wiernik claimed yellow corpses. Nessie says he answered Turnagain's inquiries into why people said yellow black and blue for corpses colours. But I haven't found it in that massive thread yet. It was put to him on page 29
by been-there he quoted it in his response on page 30
and for the next five pages (the topic is at 35 pages now), he avoided answering it, claiming he already had.