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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 4 years 6 months ago (Wed Apr 23, 2014 3:57 pm)

hermod wrote:
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hermod wrote:The term "Final Solution" only implies something definitive, i.e. settling the Jewish question once and for all. It implies nothing murderous. Prominent Zionists, including Theodore Herzl himself, didn't mean they wanted to kill Jews when they used the term "Final Solution". And hardly anybody claims the Nazis meant they wanted to kill Germany's Jews when they used that term as early as in 1933.

It does when it comes to the Jews teaching their version of ww2 history.


I know that.

I didn't intend to imply that you didn't.



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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 4 years 6 months ago (Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:10 pm)

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When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the little town of Auschwitz, at the junction of three empires, became the crossroads of Europe. There were 44 train lines coming into Auschwitz, making it at one time a larger railroad hub than Penn Station in New York City.

It was because Auschwitz was such an important railroad junction that a camp for migrant workers was built in a suburb of the town in 1916; seasonal farm workers from all over Europe were sent from Auschwitz to the large German estates. The migrant worker camp, with its beautiful brick barracks buildings, was the place that eventually became the Auschwitz I concentration camp.

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Most of Silesia was annexed to the German state of Prussia in 1742, except for four duchies. The duchy of Auschwitz was annexed to Galicia, a province which was given to Austria when Poland lost its independence in 1772 and the country was divided between Russia, Prussia and Austria. Western Galicia soon became known as The Corner of Three Empires: Russia, Prussia and Austria. The town known as Auschwitz, or Oswiecim or Oshpitzin, became a prime location for Jewish traders or merchants during the time that Galicia was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Auschwitz ... nau01.html

From that same article, supporting the assertion which has been made that burning bodies in open pits would have resulted in countless witnesses from passing trains...
When railroad lines were built in the 19th century, the little town of Auschwitz, at the junction of three empires, became the crossroads of Europe. There were 44 train lines coming into Auschwitz, making it at one time a larger railroad hub than Penn Station in New York City.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 4 years 6 months ago (Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:08 am)

Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, disbelieving in the 'Holocaust' allegations and connecting WW1 atrocity propaganda about human soap/corpse factories (Kadaververwertungsanstalten) with WW2 atrocity propaganda about gas chambers:

It is true that there have been references to the use of gas chambers in other reports; but these references have usually, if not always, been equally vague, and since they have concerned the extermination of Jews, have usually emanated from Jewish sources. [...] In my opinion it is incorrect to describe Polish information regarding German atrocities as “trustworthy”. The Poles, and to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up. They seem to have succeeded… I think that we weaken our case against the Germans by publically giving credence to atrocity stories for which we have no evidence. These mass executions in gas chambers remind me of the stories of employment of human corpses during the last war for the manufacture of fat, which was a grotesque lie” - Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, August 1943
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 4 years 5 months ago (Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:57 pm)

"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 4 years 5 months ago (Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:13 pm)

hermod wrote:A few pictures on WW1 atrocity propaganda about gas chambers...

Excellent, as always, I wish we could augment this with the equivalent from American papers, Trove seems to be far superior to Google News.
After reading the article you linked to, I wonder how it was that there wasn't entire families dropping dead from typhus even in peacetime.
It would seem like once one family member got infected with lice it would spiral out of control.


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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 3 years 11 months ago (Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:37 pm)

hermod wrote:I've done a similar job with the German "corpse factories" (human soap, etc.).

I haven't been active on the forum in a few weeks, I'm reading through all these corpse factory claims now.
Amazing, thank you for sourcing these articles, much appreciated!

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:08 pm)

During WWI it was asserted that the Germans were mailing poison-gas letters to the wives of French soldiers held in PoW camps

"... it is said that recently the Huns resorted to the expedient of poisoning wells with cyanide of potassium.

German aviators, flying over French and Belgian cities also are reported to have dropped packages of poisoned candy in the hope of killing a few more innocent children. Also they are credited in reports received in Paris, with injecting asphyxiating gas into letters sent home by prisoners in in their camps. A woman living in the French village of La Siscotiere [sic] recently was ill for several days, after opening a letter from a French prisoner in Germany.

On the same day, it said, another woman received a letter also containing poison gas from her husband, a captive in Bavaria. Other poisoning cases of a similar nature also have been reported."

- The Syracuse Herald (NY), Sunday, July 21, 1918, The Syracuse Herald Illustrated Magazine Section, page 8.
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/germans-gassing-people-via-mail.html
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 3 years 11 months ago (Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:55 pm)

cold beer wrote:
hermod wrote:I've done a similar job with the German "corpse factories" (human soap, etc.).

I haven't been active on the forum in a few weeks, I'm reading through all these corpse factory claims now.
Amazing, thank you for sourcing these articles, much appreciated!


Glad to see you back here, coldbeer. :salute:
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 3 years 11 months ago (Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:16 pm)

I applaud everyone posting on this thread in trying to understand WW1 propaganda as related to WWII and the holocaust (myth) but I did a keyword search for Bryce, and don't think anyone has mentioned him. James Bryce, who he was, his star fading but with credibility, then selected to be the stooge, is probably the first thing that should be brought up on this subject. Resurrecting a 77 year old man for a publicity purpose.

Articles in various midsize papers are important, but I've seen it on microfilm: Bryce Report. Front page of New York Times, and inside section A, 2 or 3 full pages.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 3 years 11 months ago (Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:30 am)

Carto's Cutlass Supreme wrote:I applaud everyone posting on this thread in trying to understand WW1 propaganda as related to WWII and the holocaust (myth) but I did a keyword search for Bryce, and don't think anyone has mentioned him. James Bryce, who he was, his star fading but with credibility, then selected to be the stooge, is probably the first thing that should be brought up on this subject. Resurrecting a 77 year old man for a publicity purpose.

Articles in various midsize papers are important, but I've seen it on microfilm: Bryce Report. Front page of New York Times, and inside section A, 2 or 3 full pages.


The Bryce 'report' can be found here: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brycere.asp

The Bryce 'report' was produced because Britain needed to credit her fallacious excuse for taking part in WW1. The real motive for British involvement in WW1 was the lasting obliteration of her growing German rival, not the defense of "Brave Little Belgium" as alleged. The neutrality of Belgium had not been violated by Germany as British propagandists claimed. The Belgian Neutrality Pact stated that the occupation of Belgium "by a large power other than France" was allowed. The famous Belgian jurist Ernest Nys, a member of the International Court of Arbitration in the Hague, debunked the future British excuse for war on Germany in 1912 in his monumental work "Le droit international, les principes, les théories, les faits". He wrote: "In reality Belgium obtained the guarantees of neutrality, but the Five Powers didn't give her a guarantee of the integrity and inviolability of her territory... This is a situation quite different of that of Switzerland." When you spill your citizens' blood with such shameless lies, you need to make them believe they are fighting the devil himself, so you also need appalling atrocity propaganda. That's what the Bryce 'report' provided. And nothing compelled that time's Belgian leaders to spill their citizens' blood for British and French interests. They could have opted for a really neutral position and just let the German troops cross Belgium's territory without a single gunshot. The Belgian non-neutral position was so unnatural that the Belgian city of Liège was immediately awarded the "Légion d'Honneur" by the French Republic for having slowed the advance of the German army with Belgian blood, tears and sweat.

The Bryce 'report' is an illustrative example of typical British propaganda. Every time Britain wants to demonize a foreign regime, British propagandists produce an atrocity propaganda 'report' which is always a mere compilation of "witness testimonies" without any probative value. When Britain wanted to seize the rich Congolese area of Katanga, British propagandists produced the Casement 'report' (1904) in order to 'prove' that King Leopold II of Belgium was a brute unable to administer colonies in a proper and "humane" way. 14 years later, during WW1, when Britain wanted to prevent the return of Germany’s African and Pacific colonies at the conclusion of WW1, British propagandists produced the "Blue Book" or "Report on the Natives of South West Africa and Their Treatment by Germany" (1918) supposed to prove that the Germans were brutal colonizers unable to administer negro people in a proper and "humane" way, what is today known as the alleged "Herero genocide" (more about the Herero Holohoax here: https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t963256/). The "Blue Book" was so mendacious that the British Foreign Office responded that "the report should not be used for publicity purposes" because "it was composed in the heat of the last war,[...] and it is historically somewhat suspect" (Request for copy of “Report on the Natives of South West Africa and their treatment by Germany” - National Archives, Kew. FO371/26574 ) when the British Minstry of Information requested the revival of that 'report' for anti-German propaganda purposes during WW2.

During WW2, Goebbels referred to "Churchill's [so British] Lie Factory" (Churchills Lügenfabrik), accurately noting "The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it [...] even at the risk of looking ridiculous", but he underestimated it and naively believed that the Zionist Soviet-Allied Holohoax lies would be exposed after the end of WW2 the same way the most outrageous lies of British atrocity propaganda had been after WW1. Big mistake as we all know...
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 3 years 11 months ago (Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:24 am)

"How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? - A Preliminary Survey Of The Question" (1958) By [renowned sociologist, historian and demographer] Frank H. Hankins:
It is quite possible that more thorough studies of population statistics, more evidence from actual witnesses, historical study of the origins and dissemination of the extermination charges, checking of the charges with what is actually known, and demonstration of deliberate fakery and falsehood, in other words, such techniques as Lord Ponsonby and J.M. Read applied to the atrocity myths of the First World War, may reduce the allegation of massive Nazi extermination of Jews to the same level of morbid imagination and irresponsible, if deliberate, mendacity that the alleged Belgian atrocities were reduced to in the years following 1918. Surely, the authenticity of the Nazi extermination program has never been vouched for by any person of the prestige and reputation for integrity enjoyed by James Bryce in 1915.

http://codoh.com/library/document/2039/
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby Breker » 3 years 11 months ago (Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:06 am)

"How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? - A Preliminary Survey Of The Question" (1958) By [renowned sociologist, historian and demographer] Frank H. Hankins
One would be immediately arrested in Europe for even attempting such a study. Yes, we do know why.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby hermod » 3 years 11 months ago (Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:26 am)

Breker wrote:
"How Many Jews Were Eliminated by the Nazis? - A Preliminary Survey Of The Question" (1958) By [renowned sociologist, historian and demographer] Frank H. Hankins
One would be immediately arrested in Europe for even attempting such a study. Yes, we do know why.
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Is that because truth always needs to be protected by laws, censorship and other kinds of pressure? :roll:
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Re: ww1 atrocity propaganda

Postby cold beer » 3 years 11 months ago (Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:12 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:During WWI it was asserted that the Germans were mailing poison-gas letters to the wives of French soldiers held in PoW camps
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/germans-gassing-people-via-mail.html

Thank you for your post.
That article is a classic, I visit that site regularly and should have been able to bring that to mind.
Good thing you had it covered, I'm happy to see it included in this thread


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