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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby blake121666 » 5 years 1 month ago (Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:36 pm)

My suggestion addresses body disposal most efficiently IMO.

I agree with Steve on the "monsters" comment; but keep in mind that I'm talking here about the mythical "evil Nazis" of propaganda fame - not real Germans. "Evil Nazis" capable of homicidal gas chambers had many more easy options than that - including Berg's suggestion btw (but I'm dropping that).

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Moderator » 5 years 1 month ago (Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:12 pm)

I'm glad this thread has finally become more than a slugfest between Blake and Breker.

However, this thread is about Fritz Berg's argument 'If they had really wanted to kill all the Jews, then the train delousing tunnels afforded a better, more efficient, easily done method.' Not to mention his version of "sanity", as the thread title suggests.
Blake, up until now, has supported Berg's arguments.

Of course there were alternative methods which would have been more efficient and less costly than what the narrative alleges. For the sake of argument let's say a cheap bullet per person, but in this thread we're discussing Berg's arguments.

If anyone wishes to start a thread on something like 'There were better methods had the Germans really wanted to exterminate the Jews', or something like that, then go for it.
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:07 pm)

Readers of this thread should read another thread on CODOH: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6011

Why didn't those disinfestation gas chambers simply explode as soon as the expended gas got to the fires? Duh!! Leuchter and Faurisson are wrong again.

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Breker » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:22 pm)

Mr. Berg:
Why didn't those disinfestation gas chambers simply explode as soon as the expended gas got to the fires? Duh!! Leuchter and Faurisson are wrong again.
The concentrations involved were necessarily much less since the gas had been "expended". And per chemist Mr. Germar Rudolf, the concentrations required to kill lice would have been much less than the concentrations necessary to kill every Jew out of thousands at a time in short order as alleged at Auschwitz. Duh!
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Dresden » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:49 pm)

You beat me to the punch, Breker; I deleted my comment because it said essentially the same thing you said.

Fritz Berg nailed it when he said:

"Duh!!"

This is a "no-brainer".
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:42 pm)

The concentrations in the expended gas were less than what? Is there some concentration level below which there is NO DANGER of explosion? Is it finally dawning on someone here beside myself that the critical concentration level is 5.6% in air.

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Breker » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:47 pm)

Mr. Berg:
The concentrations in the expended gas were less than what? Is there some concentration level below which there is NO DANGER of explosion? Is it finally dawning on someone here beside myself that the critical concentration level is 5.6% in air.
You posted and then cited the information you are referring to here Railroad Delousing at the Russo-Polish Border So it's upon you to tell us any specific concentrations mentioned. Or were they not mentioned? And knowing that it is a scientific fact that HCH is explosive, it was obviously below the threshold for an explosion or it would have exploded.
We also know that high concentrations would have been necessary to quickly kill thousands in one fell swoop as is alleged about Auschwitz.
Therefore 5.6% seems rather easily achieved in the circumstances in the alleged environment. Those circumstances and the lack of explosions is one of the points that Faurisson uses to dismiss the fraud and it's a good one.
Science is science, Faurisson wins.
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http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/1.html#1.2.
1.2. Hydrogen Cyanide-a Dangerous Poison

Hydrogen cyanide, is not, of course, utilized solely for the purpose of executions in American gas chambers, but for much more constructive purposes as well. Since approximately the end of WWI, hydrogen cyanide, or HCN, has been used to exterminate vermin such as bedbugs, lice, corn weevils, termites, cockroaches, and other pests. It is, of course, important to be extremely cautious while applying hydrogen cyanide in order to avoid disaster, because it is in many ways a highly dangerous poison.

Fig. 2: How to get rid of termites: Top photo: Before. Bottom photo: After.

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exploded house:

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The residents of a house in Los Angeles, California, had to learn this in a quite painful way shortly before Christmas 1947. They had hired the Guarantee Fumigation Company to destroy the termites which threatened to eat up the wooden structure. The pest controllers, however, were apparently not very competent, because when using a container of pressurized HCN to fill the house, which had been wrapped up like a Christmas present, they exceeded safe limits and pumped in too much gas. (Fig. 2).[15] Due to unknown reasons, the mixture of air and HCN, which can be highly explosive under certain circumstances, ignited during the fumigation. The resulting explosion destroyed the entire dwelling.[16]

However, hydrogen cyanide has yet another insidious characteristic: it is highly mobile. This mobility is highly welcome when it comes to killing vermin: Wherever fleas and bugs try to hide, the gas will still reach them! Unfortunately, hydrogen cyanide does not restrict itself to attack vermin. Rather, it indiscriminately seeps into the smallest cracks and even penetrates porous substances such as felt sealing materials and thin walls, thereby leaking into areas where it is not welcome. The failure on the part of disinfestors to ensure that all places to be fumigated are adequately sealed off have been described in toxicological literature:[17]

"Example: J.M., a 21 year old female home decorator, was working in the cellar of the house, the second floor of which was being treated for vermin with cyanide gas. Due to insufficient sealing during fumigation, the gas penetrated the corridors, where it poisoned the disinfestor, and reached the cellar through air shafts. Mrs. M. suddenly experienced an intense itching sensation in her throat followed by headache and dizziness. Her two fellow workers noticed the same symptoms and they all left the cellar. After half an hour, Mrs. M. returned to the cellar whereupon she suddenly collapsed and fell unconscious. Mrs. M. was taken to a hospital together with the unconscious exterminator. Mrs. M. recovered and was released. The exterminator, by contrast, was pronounced dead on arrival."

But the dangers of this type of poison gas are not merely restricted to persons in the same house in which fumigation is taking place. Large quantities of gas may penetrate the open air and endanger the entire neighborhood, as shown by an accident in the fall of 1995 in a Croatian holiday resort:[18]

"That failed profoundly. Three local residents suffering from symptoms of poisoning and a number of surviving woodworms were the results of the botched action against vermin in a church in the Croatian holiday resort Lovran, close to Rijeka. The exterminator's clumsy work necessitated the evacuation of several hundred residents of the locality.

The exterminators tried to treat the Church of the Holy Juraj for woodworm during the night, using the highly toxic gas. But since they failed to seal off the church appropriately, the gas seeped into surrounding houses in which people were already asleep. 'Fortunately, the people woke up immediately because of sudden attacks of nausea-that's what saved them from certain death,' wrote the newspaper, 'Vecernji List'. Three residents nevertheless suffered severe intoxication. The mayor decided to evacuate the center of the town. The exterminators were arrested. The woodworms survived. dpa"

But that is still not all: on top of this, hydrogen cyanide is also a tenacious poison. It adheres wherever it is utilized, especially in a moist environment. Deadly cyanide gas continues to evaporate slowly from moist objects for hours and days, involving a permanent environmental hazard where sufficient ventilation cannot be assured. .......
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:51 pm)

The answer which totally flies past Breker and Stevie F is 5.6%.. If the HCN conentration in air exceeds that magic number, one can have an explosion. If it does not exceed 5.6%,. no explosion is possible--one will simply burn off the cyanide in whatever flame or fire is present.

For US executions, the HCN concentrations are ONLY about 1.0-1.3% according to Germar Rudolf. Having more victims does NOT mean one would need greater concentrations at all. Breker's argument is off-the-wall without any basis in the writings of Germar Rudolf or anyone else, Does Faurisson even know what percentages of HCN concentration are? I doubt it.

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Dresden » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:19 pm)

Fritz Berg said:

"The answer which totally flies past Breker and Stevie F is 5.6%.."

No, Mr. Berg; that is as obvious to me as.....well, whatever.

".....If the HCN concentration in air exceeds that magic number, one can have an explosion. If it does not exceed 5.6%,. no explosion is possible--one will simply burn off the cyanide in whatever flame or fire is present"

Bingo!

That is precisely why I said in a previous comment:

"Fritz Berg nailed it when he said:

"Duh!!"

This is a "no-brainer"."
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Breker » 5 years 1 month ago (Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:40 pm)

Mr. Berg:
The answer which totally flies past Breker and Stevie F is 5.6%.. If the HCN conentration in air exceeds that magic number, one can have an explosion. If it does not exceed 5.6%,. no explosion is possible--one will simply burn off the cyanide in whatever flame or fire is present.
Wrong. We can now assume that you do not bother reading my responses. In addition you have not shown us the % of HCN in your cited post. Perhaps no one will notice.
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We also know that high concentrations would have been necessary to quickly kill thousands in one fell swoop as is alleged about Auschwitz.
Therefore 5.6% seems rather easily achieved in the circumstances in the alleged environment. Those circumstances and the lack of explosions is one of the points that Faurisson uses to dismiss the fraud and it's a good one.
Mr. Berg again:
For US executions, the HCN concentrations are ONLY about 1.0-1.3% according to Germar Rudolf. Having more victims does NOT mean one would need greater concentrations at all. Breker's argument is off-the-wall without any basis in the writings of Germar Rudolf or anyone else, Does Faurisson even know what percentages of HCN concentration are? I doubt it.
Absolutely wrong. You are using a strawman argument. In that instance Mr. Rudolf was NOT referring to the alleged Auschwitz scenario, but to a single execution in a very small room.

In order to achieve the alleged numbers in the times alleged in a large space as alleged it would require much higher concentrations of HCN. We are not talking about a small prison execution chamber holding one convict, but a very large structure which allegedly held thousands of Jews and killed them ALL in just a few minutes. High concentrations would necessarily be required, that's basic science and logic.

This matter is related to the silliness of exterminationists claiming that more HCN is required to kill insects than humans, that is their ridiculous excuse for the lack of cyanide residue in the alleged homicidal gas chambers. Now that WAS covered impeccably by Mr. Rudolf; he and others have pointed out that higher concentrations of HCN would be mandatory to kill so many Jews in such a large space in a such short time as opposed to a single louse in a laboratory setting. You obviously forgot about that one.

Have a look at the exploded house image I provided, no one was executed yet it still exploded. Why, because HCN is very dangerous and Faurisson correctly points that out.
And in review, whatever happened to those "big" execution gas chambers you said existed. To date you have shown us none.
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:17 am)

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:19 am)

Of course, the house in California exploded when the operator let far more HCN into the house than he was supposed to let into the house. Probably, the operator left the HCN pump running while he went for a coffee break. If he had let in only enough HCN to keep the concentration of HCN below 5.6%, there would have been more than enough HCN to fumigate the house but cause absolutely NO EXPLOSION at all.

That is the way HCN worked in thousands upon thousands of other applications around the world--w-i-t-h-o-u-t any explosions.

One of the great advantages of Zyklon-B versus the pot method which is the old method used for American executions is that the amount of HCN in the cans of Zyklon-B is carefully predetermined in advance--no onsite mixing of chemicals which can easily lead to excessive amounts of HCN generated. Can Breker or Leuchter understand any of that? Of course, not.

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Breker » 5 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:43 am)

Mr. Berg,
You have ignored most of my points in my previous post. Not good form here.
Yes, keeping the HCN concentration down should have kept the danger of explosion somewhat under control. But those concentrations would have soared under the scenario claimed by the fraudulent ones, that fact was confirmed by chemist Mr. Germar Rudolf, you avoided that.

Additionally, one must consider this cited statement by Mr. Rudolf which does not mention a 5.6% threshold:
Due to unknown reasons, the mixture of air and HCN, which can be highly explosive under certain circumstances, [plural] ignited during the fumigation. The resulting explosion destroyed the entire dwelling.
If exceeding the 5.6% concentration was a factor in exploding this house Mr. Rudolf would have said as much, he did not. In fact he did not mention any source of heat that would have ignited the HCN. We apparently have "circumstances" [plural] in which this 5.6% threshold is not always the primary factor for explosions. HCN, a very volatile and dangerous chemical. Faurissson spot on.
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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:59 am)

Where did Germar Rudolf ever say, or write: "those concentrations would have soared under the scenario claimed by the fraudulent ones"---or anything like that, ever. Be specific and do NOT merely refer to some lengthy essay or book. Leave the BS and vague generalities to Faurisson and Leuchter.

Breker does not even seem to understand the differences between concentrations versus total amounts of HCN. To commit mass murder, one generally will need more HCN in total than for an individual execution--but the concentrations in air need NOT be any different at all. If a thousand people are exposed to 1.0% HCN, they will die just as quickly as a single person exposed to 1.0% HCN. Can Breker understand any of that? Probably not! Faurisson never could understand any of that either.''

As to the explosion of the house in California, since no one even pretends to know how it ignited--the cause could well have been a pilot light to a kitchen stove that someone forgot to extinguish, or it could have been a carelessly tossed cigarette. That happens all the time--even where no HCN is involved.

Also, the fact that Rudolf may NOT have mentioned "the lower limit of flammabiltiy" or 5.6% for HCN means nothing at all. He probably suspected that hardly anyone would have even known what he would have been talking about. Breker still doesn't understand what it means.

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Re: The SANITY Test!

Postby Breker » 5 years 1 month ago (Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:42 am)

Mr. Berg:
Where did Germar Rudolf ever say, or write: "those concentrations would have soared under the scenario claimed by the fraudulent ones"---or anything like that, ever. Be specific and do NOT merely refer to some lengthy essay or book. Leave the BS and vague generalities to Faurisson and Leuchter.
Once again, you use a strawman. You add quotes around my sentence to fraudulently suggest those are the exact words of Mr. Rudolf. They are my words and you know it.
However the content and meaning of my statement stands and is backed by Mr. Rudolf as I stated. May I suggest this from Mr. Rudolf, from his Rudolf Report. Yes, you will need to read it.

http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/7.html#7.3.
7. Zyklon B for the Killing of Human Beings

Sir, please stop dodging the many points I make while you attempt to wriggle out of the mess you've got yourself into.
Faurisson still in total control.
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Below is my previous post, most of which you avoided
Breker wrote:Mr. Berg,
You have ignored most of my points in my previous post. Not good form here.
Yes, keeping the HCN concentration down should have kept the danger of explosion somewhat under control. But those concentrations would have soared under the scenario claimed by the fraudulent ones, that fact was confirmed by chemist Mr. Germar Rudolf, you avoided that.

Additionally, one must consider this cited statement by Mr. Rudolf which does not mention a 5.6% threshold:
Due to unknown reasons, the mixture of air and HCN, which can be highly explosive under certain circumstances, [plural] ignited during the fumigation. The resulting explosion destroyed the entire dwelling.
If exceeding the 5.6% concentration was a factor in exploding this house Mr. Rudolf would have said as much, he did not. In fact he did not mention any source of heat that would have ignited the HCN. We apparently have "circumstances" [plural] in which this 5.6% threshold is not always the primary factor for explosions. HCN, a very volatile and dangerous chemical. Faurissson spot on.
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