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natural death rates of jews worldwide?

Postby ivam » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:29 pm)

So for the establishment of the holohoax, the exterminationists use wolrd jew populations before and after the nazi regime. But they do not actualy count natural deaths do they ?

ive had a look at an optimistic death rate of 807 per 100.000 inhabitants, which is the mortality rate for the U.S in 2011, so 70 years back that rate must have been a good bit higher, combine that with stress and concentration camps, lack of food and medicine due to allied terror bombing, and it gets higher, but lets JUST take the basic modern medicine death rate.

extrapolated to 16 million jews, thats 129168 jews dying per year from all natural causes., from 1933 to 1945 thats a total of 1.5 million alone but with 78 years life expetancy, id reckon during 193 to 1945 it could have been as low as 39 easily, doubling the mortality and causing 3 million natural deaths out of 16 million jews world wide at the time, without influc of new ones

normaly the population would regenerate aswell and the number would stay round about the same and maybe show a slight increase but we must remember it was an era in europe were "becoming" or "showing" to be a jew wasnt the best choice, nor were the circumstances very favourable for jewish childbirth.

if we could find a childbirth rate for jews at the time, correlate it with the death rate, maybe even get an accurate death rate for that time period (which iam sure could be around the 1500 per 100.000) this would actualy add up to amount of missing jews wouldnt it ?

correct me if iam wrong on this whole thing, but iam sure ive never have seen anyone consider natural mortality over the world population of jews were the supposed "difference" is used to estimate the amount of jews that perished. Now wiht this figure it doesnt matter how many lived in germany at the time. it eve counts in a random jew dying in a jungle of borneo because he got bitten by a snake.

if we end up with a supposed 3 to 4 million dying from natural causes during that time and no proper regeneration, we should ask exterminationists where there holocaust victims are supposed to come from, because in the population statistics would be no longer a mysterious loss. And if they still claim the 6 million figure, the overall jewish population for 1945 should be considerably lower than it actualy is.

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Re: natural death rates of jews worldwide?

Postby Mulegino1 » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:04 pm)

You raise some very valid points. Given that the time period of 1933-1939 was a chaotic one, with considerable Jewish emigration, the greatest war in history and an enormous refugee crisis after the war, it would not at all be surprising if the natural death rates increased considerably with a substantial decrease in the birth rate.

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Postby Dresden » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:27 pm)

hermod started a thread on this topic recently, here:

hermod @ Jewish natural mortality without any Hitler, WW2, etc.
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Re: natural death rates of jews worldwide?

Postby Dresden » 4 years 10 months ago (Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:00 pm)

Ivam said:

"extrapolated to 16 million jews, thats 129168 jews dying per year from all natural causes., from 1933 to 1945 thats a total of 1.5 million alone but with 78 years life expetancy, id reckon during 193 to 1945 it could have been as low as 39 easily, doubling the mortality and causing 3 million natural deaths out of 16 million jews world wide at the time, without influc of new ones"

I am not a statistician, nor a mathematician, but I get different numbers than yours:

The death rate of a population with a life expectancy of 78 years is 1.282% per year; for a population of 16,000,000, that would be a total of 205,128 deaths per year and 2,461,538 in 12 years.

For a life expectancy of 39 years, that would be a death rate of 2.564% per year, for a total of 410,256 deaths per, and 4,923,077 in 12 years.

Maybe I'm wrong; maybe I'm missing some kind of statistical "logarithm" or something.

How did you reach your conclusions?
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Re: natural death rates of jews worldwide?

Postby borjastick » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:19 am)

As Steve F has already said, this subject has in fact been covered several times recently. I mentioned it by way of reference to an article or essay written by Thomas Dalton here One Simple Reply to "Where did they go, then?".

The subject is of interest as it directly covers and accounts for a million or so jews in the calculation.

However one must understand the way all jews and their allies embrace 'holocaust victims'. They are essentially any jew who was alive and under the grasp of Nazi Germany during the war period. Thus the net was cast wide.

Of course that net gets wider as we are supposedly allowing first and second generation jews from 'survivors' to claim under the ever generous claims system.
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Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:10 am)

Ivam

I don't know your source for the current US death rates but it doesn't look very credible. A death rate of less than 1% means either most folk living beyond 100 years or a population balance heavily skewed toward youth, neither of which is, I think, true of the US today, despite high levels of immigration (mainly young).

However, the expectation of life at birth in Poland in the Thirties was in the range 50-53. (Source = gapminder.org). By 1949 it was 58. We should probably consider the rate of natural deaths during the war to continue along this trend line. Caveats are though 1. Poland's frontiers changed radically, 2. post-war survival rates may be artificially high because persons who "should" have died then had already died in the wartime conditions.

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Postby realitycheck » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:25 am)

Check out some of the published Life Tables. These are used by Life Insurance companies around the world however, their use of them is what they often refer to as the "L numbers". Put simply, they take a population of 100,000 and to see how many are expected to survive to the next year (in other word, how many will die during each year). The tables start at birth with the 100,000 population and show the number surviving until age 1, 2, 3 etc. The published tables are raw data for given populations and sub-groups. It is by using this data that life insurance premiums are calculated.
"Life Expectancy" figures aren't used by them as such.
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Re: natural death rates of jews worldwide?

Postby Dresden » 4 years 10 months ago (Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:00 pm)

Hello, realitycheck!

I'm going to reply to your comment on the original thread, of which thread this is a copy:

hermod @ Jewish natural mortality without any Hitler, WW2, etc.

I don't see any sense in having two identical threads.
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Re: natural death rates of jews worldwide?

Postby ivam » 4 years 10 months ago (Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:10 pm)

yeah thats fine, why not, i didnt realise there allready was another thread like this! feel free to close.


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